PNG's Airstrips and Other Stuff

[OzExpat]

At long last, I've finally completed all the modifications that needed to be made on my FotoTime site. There was much more work involved than I believed possible, though you won't see much of a difference when viewing the various albums. I DID somehow managed to lose 4 photos from one of the contributed galleries, but will fix that in due course.

The one thing that HAS happened is that some of the albums are no longer at the originally advised URLs. Those with new URLs are identified in the list below. So, if you have them bookmarked, now might be a good time to update your links.


CONTRIBUTED ALBUMS

Airstrips in PNG (General) (http://www.fototime.com/inv/5634DBCB865CAD0)

PNG Album bilong Alistair (http://www.fototime.com/inv/DD3699364DE00BF)

PNG Album bilong Chuck (http://www.fototime.com/inv/3E800DD317EF608) NEW URL FOR THIS ALBUM

PNG Album bilong Eggman (http://www.fototime.com/inv/50D36E46E2C3B16) NEW URL FOR THIS ALBUM

PNG Album bilong Eggman Nr 2 (http://www.fototime.com/inv/2264106840D2252) NEW URL FOR THIS ALBUM

PNG Album bilong Herc Jerk (http://www.fototime.com/inv/5B755E7DFBE3706) NEW URL FOR THIS ALBUM (I think!)

PNG Album bilong Lurch (http://www.fototime.com/inv/EF1F0B66144C911)

PNG Album bilong Pinky (http://www.fototime.com/inv/A76BF2D77508820)

PNG Album bilong Plugga (http://www.fototime.com/inv/D6D2654EE2CAB91)

PNG Album bilong RV6-VNE (http://www.fototime.com/inv/F7328C63F7C43BD)

PNG Album bilong Taildragger (http://www.fototime.com/inv/7A375716AEB8944) NEW URL FOR THIS ALBUM

PNG Album bilong Torres (http://www.fototime.com/inv/E276DC3756FF319) NEW URL FOR THIS ALBUM


MY ALBUMS

PNG Early Years - Around Port Moresby (http://www.fototime.com/inv/890F56C1319FFCB)

PNG Early Years - May to July, 1984 (http://www.fototime.com/inv/311E064845F3FF8)

PNG Early Years - August to December, 1984 (http://www.fototime.com/inv/BBF70CDE21107B7)

PNG Early Years - Wings Nite, 1984 (http://www.fototime.com/inv/2F467A79327785B)

PNG Early Years - January to July, 1985 (http://www.fototime.com/inv/D237A9A401553DB)

PNG Early Years - August to December, 1985 (http://www.fototime.com/inv/1EA6C5BAD755900)

PNG Early Years - 1987 to 1988 (http://www.fototime.com/inv/BA9684010AD2575)

PNG Early Years - 1989 to 1991 (http://www.fototime.com/inv/892FA61F90C98DF)

PNG GPS NPA Validation Checks (http://www.fototime.com/inv/8705A0E328C7895) NEW URL FOR THIS ALBUM


I understand that folks like Pinky and Plugga will be sending me additional photos for their albums - after 20 August, 2002, please fellas!

I doubt that Chuck's album will get any bigger because he got his own space on FotoTime recently. I'm sure we all look forward to seeing more photos from him in the near future. And, Chuck, if you plan to put the photos in your album on your own site, just let me know and I'll delete them from my site.

Soon as I have the additional photos, I'll see if there's any that can be used to restart the "GUESS THE GOAT-TRACK COMPETITION". Meantime, this thread is also open for any discussion related to aviation in PNG - and anything else related to the country, so long as it don't get tooooo politically sensitive... :D

Yiiiippeeeee I can now go blaze some new trails - and perhaps even "reblaze" some older ones in the UK! ;)

[Herc Jerk]

Oz- just got your email, wilco. If you see any white Hercs on your way past afrika, give us a wave- actually, better yet, throw beer:)

nice work on the web site mate.

HJ

[the wizard of auz]

And I know all you old spooks from up there are reading this, any one have any memorys of and old three ten P2-PVT?.
was operated by a mob called pivotal aviation....any old yarns about her will do.:)
Or even email the yarns to me at [email protected] as after reading the log books of my old gal, she was up there a while.

[Steve76]

Hey that shot of Chimbu brought back some memories...
I lived there in 77. The ol man drove a 206 for Talair and I rode my bike up and down the strip since our backyard was the airfield.
Got tied to a rope to climb down the slope at the end and retrieve the cones after a blow one night.
Got Malaria there too....:(
What a great place allround...

[OzExpat]

Funny you should mention P2-PVT Wiz - all my C310 hours (not a lot) are on THAT miserable excuse for an aeroplane! :D When I knew it, it was operated by Circus Air, aka Central Air Services - the original company by that name, not to be confused with the current company with the same name.

I ranged far and wide with it, quite early in my career and was very happy to exchange it for an "F" Model Aztruck with Robertson STOL conversion! Thin bloodey wings in the tropics, trying to generate life for take-off on runways used easily by F28s! I believe that a former CAS Chief Pilot took the self same C310 into a strip named Fane - there's any number of photos of that place within all those URLs.

Anyway Wiz, yes thanks - having a great time - glad yer not here! ;)

[Capt Vegemite]

pproon news very slow to filter down from UKhttp://community.airattack.co.uk/images/smilies/bigdrink.gif :confused:

[the wizard of auz]

Oh, well you will have a ball being reunited with the old gal then.........ya rude bugga:D
I know ya glad I aint there, coz ya cant keep up with me ya poor old bugga .:D

[OzExpat]

Veg ... wooden YOU like to know! :D All the best news is staying among a few hundred of me closest mates... ;)

Wiz ... I'm the first to admit that I can't keep up with YOU mate... but, then, yer own track record has been a bit suss at times too eh? :D :p

[the wizard of auz]

only once.....but point taken:D
Hey Ozex when you getting home? (so I can send the tapes...yeah, I got ya two)
and you wouldnt happen to have any piccys of that busted ass ol 310 around would ya?

[Sharpie]

Hey Oz!

I hear that your mate Chuckles has left Singers and may be angling to fly the -300 for the new PM Sir Michael. You heard anything?:)

[redsnail]

Yep, caught up with Oz in Soho. Werewolves any one? :)

[Chimbu chuckles]

My doesn't news travel fast....don't worry Sharpie I won't be heading North to paradise:rolleyes:


Chuck.

[Capt Claret]

G'day Chuckles,

You're not 'born again' are ya? ;)

p.s. Bugga'd if I can work out how you beef hook whale oil! :p

[gaunty]

And Michael Somare is back.

What's the reading on this guys.

Is it just his turn at the trough again??:rolleyes:

[Chimbu chuckles]

Say it really fast Clarry.

Just having a break at the moment....many things happening.

From what I heard the last PNG PM was a good man...can't have that now, can we!!

Chuck.

[Capt Vegemite]

Gaunty I seriously doubt there is much of a trough left.

How about you rustle up some them WA wheeler dealers(Bondy) and we put in an offer for the joint?

[gaunty]

Couple of mates and I already tried that, we paid the money, got the receipt then they changed the Govt.:D

The "broker" denied ever having seen us, that the new RR was a gift from a grateful client and then took a job as "chief adviser" to the new Govt.?:rolleyes:

I thought we in West Dunnunda knew how to panhandle but we shoulda listened to Bondy and his mates even they were too smart to take em on.

Good luck with the new Govt and like Chuckles said, the last man was a goodun and so I believe was the new one, when he was a boy.

There is something in the food they serve in Parliamentary dining rooms that brings on all sort of delusions.

[OzExpat]

Sorry I haven't been around for a while guys... been busy here in the UK...:D Anyway..

Wiz ... I destroyed two cameras tryin to take photos of that butt-ugly antique b@stard of a thing... sorry...;)

Wotz goin on Chuck ? How come yer not in Singas? Didja get a better offer - and, if so, does she have a sister? :D

Having just now read that PNG's new PM is Sir Michael ... oh well, this makes the second (or is it the third...? :eek: ) time that he's been PM while I've been there... :(

[Capt Vegemite]

Dont know who took it but a nice picture of the Ok Tedi mine site.

Ok Tedi (http://www.fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/standard?pictid={23FF7DEF-05CA-481A-BD70-5863F187A2CD})

[the wizard of auz]

Ozex, mate your a rude bugga....you and Gaunty aught to set up the Old and rude C310 haters club.
She might be old but she aint ugly........sheesh.
and the best part is I dont owe a cent on her.she's all mine and she flys
Daisey is really a darling old gal, you have just been spoilt with all them turbine blade wizzing around.

[gaunty]

Sky King has left the building.:)

Like Elvis we keep getting sightings of him around the Goldfields.:D :p

Ya just havta go here, I've got it bookmarked.

Sky King (http://www.angelfire.com/mi/freeper/index.html)

Yup thats a Cessna Bobcat replaced by the Cessna 310 in later series

[OzExpat]

Yeah Wiz, I probably DO hate rude, old C310s! :D Especially that old shyte-heap P2-PVT! :D It had an all-over dirty shyte brown paint job when I was flying it, so I really hope ya've fixed THAT by now! :p

[Pinky the pilot]

Got a brother-in-law living in PNG and working for a construction firm of sorts. He's been there over ten years and reckoned the last PM was ok but nothing would change. Brother-in-law was down here a few weeks ago and had'nt heard that Somare was likely to get back in and was not entirely pleased when informed of the possibility.

Ozmate; sent you a message. Sorry to add to the workload

Chuckles; Whatcha up to now then?

[the wizard of auz]

Yup, thats been fixed. She is a nice dark blue and white with a grey trim now.
:)

[OzExpat]

Pinky ... nurries! :)

Wiz ... bewdy! It might actually be worth lookin' at! :D

[OzExpat]

Just bringing this back to the top for a little while... still getting enquiries from folks who have the old photo URLs.

[Capt Vegemite]

Got an email from a mate due for leave out of ok tedi.
Hes not going to the club tonight he said he doesnt want to miss the "Stargate" to Cairns:D

[Woomera]

Capt Vegemite

ROFL

That is truly witty, encapsulating the whole unfortunate schlemiel in just one short sentence.

[fistfokker]

Aaah! Sharpie, so good to hear from your flying fingers. Not having a cheap shot at Chimbu are you? How does that story go about people who live in glass houses? I am sure you set a record there somewhere yourself! Sad really.;)

[Pinky the pilot]

Ozex, Chuckles, Cap'n Veg anyone...
Is anyone still there or what????:confused:
I'm starting to go through withdrawal symptoms! I need my fix of more stories of the mayhem comitted by former fellow PNG aviators.
Meantime.........back to the search for a bad bottle of red!!:D :D

[Ivan Urge]

So, do tell. What type of -300 is Sir Michael flying around in then? Dash8-300, Twin Otter-300, Kingair-300 or perhaps a trusty old Islander 300?

I am sure he would miss the old Kumul 1. With its un-hushkitted Speys you always knew when he was off somewhere.:D

[Capt Vegemite]

Think when Sir Mike looks in the cooky jar he'll be flying a 206.
:(

Hey Mike remember that cheeky bloody pilot made ya sit on your patrol box in a 185?

You can do it again mate.
:D

[OzExpat]

I can't ever recall him doing that, Veg ... em narapela kain samting! :eek: In any event, the last time I looked, Kumul 1 was a Beech 350 Kingair. Wonder if he'll trade it in on a jet? ;)

[Chimbu chuckles]

Ok...things are getting boring around here...I've been uploading piccies to fototime as a means of protection against 'puter probs and perhaps some will be of interest. When I can scan them I'll have some more of the Himalayas and Mt Everest and some more of an interesting aeroplane I'll be flying later this week...but bare in mind that some of these aren't flying as I'm protecting some piccies I only have digital copies of in my 'puter and they're all in the same album....some are very high res so you can zoom in heaps if you have the software in your 'puter, particularly the cockpit shots.


Chucks Album (http://www.fototime.com/inv/55D2162045A83B3)

Enjoy,

Chuck:D

Edited about a zillion times to make the link work just right...and after I discovered the privacy function:D

[Woomera]

I honestly don't what to do with you guys. :D you actually dont fit anywhere here, which I suppose is why you wound up in PNG. :D :D :D

Hang on Jet Blast..........nah .

A new forum "Wereonce Donwannabe Now Sometimes Wish I Wasn't But It Was Great Fun I Think???"
:p

Seriously the thread is great but tell me really where would you like to be put?
Apart from Reporting Points which is for day to day active issues not reminisces. :)

[PLovett]

Woomera

May I suggest, only slightly tongue in cheek, that given the near historical (perhaps that should read hysterical) nature of the contents, that it be posted on Aviation History and Nostalgia.:eek: :eek: :D

[Chimbu chuckles]

Woomera...maaaaaate....don't whinge to us about your dramas...twasn't our idea to 'segregate' dununnder:D

You should thank your lucky stars I discovered the 'private/public' switch in fototime otherwise you'd be looking at piccies of the 13 year old in the shark tank at Sentoza Is and my house at Carrara:D Not that I'm not intensely proud of both.

Plovett.......I'm but a 16 year old caught in a 40 year old body...please don't consign me to the Neuralgia forum just yet:D;)

Chuck.

[Ivan Urge]

OzE, back in the early 80's Kumul 1 was a GII, reg P2-PNG, complete with non-afterburning Speys- but it certainly didn't sound accoustically deprived!!!

Kumul 2 was the B200, P2-PNH. The GII didn't last long (it didn't fit into Chimbu, Wapenamanda and Tari- in fact it was useless within PNG) and for many years there was only Kumul 2. One can only ponder now, how they thought they could justify an aeroplane such as the GII for the head of state.

One gets the impression that PNG is increasingly becoming a basket case, a la many countries in Africa. With its diversity, lack of education and the inevitable corruption stemming from from both, it is bringing the country to the verge of anarchy.

Sir Michael was young back in '75, but he inherited institutions that were essentially sound. The fact that he has been re-elected 32 years later is testimony to the fact that no-one has been truly successful at governing the country.

Sad really, as I was brought up in PNG and have many fond memeries of the place and the girls I knew (had)!!

[OzExpat]

Woomera ... I thought you were joking but you actually went and moved this thread to ferkin "Wannabees"! :eek: However, I see yer problem... we really DON'T fit into any of the traditional categories and there ain't enough posts at any given time to justify a separate forum. Still, don't think this is the place for a PNG thread.

And I reckon Chuck called it right about the whole problem having not been of OUR making! :D

Chuck ... excellent effort mate. I'll pull down your album from my FotoTime site at the earliest opportunity. That is, of course, as opposed to the latest opportunity! :D

Ivan ... Yeah, after the G2 episode (and there was a bit more to it than you've reported but the rest is probably best left buried :eek: ), the "J" word (ie "jet") became the worst form of vulgar expression in political circles. It remained so for many years and I'm sure that Sir Michael, for all his faults, won't have forgotten that lesson. Thus, I don't see another "jet" coming onto the PNG register for the PM's Department.

[Pinky the pilot]

Chuckles; excellent piccies mate! The ones of Kamulai were mine were'nt they? Thanks for putting them in.
Ozex; glad you've survived the rigors of travelling the UK. How many Scotch distilleries did you empty? Will be sending you a few more piccies in a day or two.
Almost wish I was back in PNG........ I said almost!:rolleyes:

[Capt Vegemite]

Kerrrist...Woomera is doin' the old 3 walnut shells and pea trick with these forums.

I wonder is Loopy Len still guiding Kumul II around?

I resemble bein' called a museum piece.

[OzExpat]

Pinky ... all Scottish distilleries were still intact while I was there. Suspect that I made a slight indentation on the supply of gin and tonic tho! :D

Veg ... dunno mate, I've only been back at work for one day so far and haven't fully caught up on things yet. :(

Just for the Record

I've deleted the album of Chuck's photos from my FotoTime site. If anyone tries to access the URL that I posted at the outset of this thread, it won't work.

[Chimbu chuckles]

Well I just got back from a day and a half in Mount Gambier where I had the extreme pleasure of meeting and flying with Leigh OConner of OConner Airlines.

God does this industry need more like him!

Anyway did an endorsement on C441 VH-YFD and today flew it back to Archerfield for an operator at Cooly.

I can only echo every positive comment ever written about the mighty Cessna Conquest...what a great machine...we suffered a depressurisation enroute (nothing spectacular...just the outflow valve opened without prior permission) and flew the last 45 minutes to AF at 10000' but we believe it was only water vapour in the lines that froze after 2+30 at FL290...no pax so slipped on the oxy mask and a gentle descent to thicker air...arrived AF 5 minutes later than planned...no sweat. Handed her over to the engineers and she'll be right as rain, no pun intended, for my next flight in her on Monday.

Thanks to the ATC people for their usual great performance!

For those wondering what I'm up to...just a bit of a hiatus for the time being...when the fat lady sings I'll perhaps let you know a little more...perhaps not:D...but for the time being I'm thoroughly enjoying getting to know a terrific little aeroplane and brushing the cobwebs off the SP IFR skills I haven't used much in 7 years.

A few more piccies for yuz:D

Chuck.

PS Pinky...two are yours I believe and the one of the Talair Otter was taken by Frank Halbauer when he came for a ride one morning.:D

[OzExpat]

Good to know yer happy and well Chuck, but I'd been looking forward to having an ale with you in Singas one of these days. But, seeing as yer in WA, we'll be able to do that at the next Ozbash, won't we! :D

And now for something a little different ... well, sorta! Just got a few more photos from Pinky and have posted them to his gallery on my FotoTime site. To save you all the trouble of flicking back to page 1 for the URL, just click here (http://www.fototime.com/inv/A76BF2D77508820).

[Chimbu chuckles]

Do they have a Gold Coast in WA?

And who says I won't be back in Singas sooner rather than later?

Chuck.:D

PS That picture of Lonny and Tim about says it all for Douglas in the last days doesn't it?

And that little office girl looks like a goer!!!;)

[TwoDogs]

All this talk of Kumul I and II brings back a few memories, not all good - remember the Moresby Gliding Club ?
I seem to remember that the first Government ministerial aircraft was in fact a Cessna 421 Golden Eagle - can't remember if the callsign was Kumul tho.

[Capt Vegemite]

Two Dogs I think you are right about the 421.
It may have even been flown by Brian McCook bit hazy on that tho.
Can you imagine the Moresby glider club thingy happening in good ole Oz?
A mate flew the GII for a short while in '83, he's now Dragon.

[Pinky the pilot]

Would someone care to enlighten me on the Moresby Gliding Club; ie the incident(s) concerned or would that be inviting a visit from a legal type?:eek:
Send me a private message then if that's the case. I'm definitely intrigued by this one!!!:D
Ozmate; thanks for putting up my piccies. Unfortunately I don't have any more on disc to send but that may change in due course. Got a nice sequence of about seven taken going down the Kosipe valley to Tapini if they would be of any interest.

[Capt Vegemite]

Pinky this may help....:rolleyes:

The author of this little ditty probably prefers to remain anonymous. The poem will be best appreciated by the current and ex-PNG pilots.

A little background for those not "in the know":

The Civil Aviation Department (regulatory body) operated a Kingair and on one occasion it ran out of fuel and glided into Port Moresby.



The Port Moresby Gliding Club

A group of young enthusiasts

Met at a local pub

To talk about a common love

The Port Moresby Gliding Club.



Their membership was very low

The running costs were high,

They needed some dramatic act

To catch the public's eye.



"I've got a good idea" said one

"Been planning it all day,

I'll try it out tomorrow

When coming back from Lae."



The flight to Lae was wonderful

The aircraft right on track,

They had no reason to suspect

The drama coming back.



Their business done, they climbed aboard

One had a bulging bilum

The Captain chuckled to himself,

"The last ten miles will thrill 'em".



This trick will have no impact

If I fill her up with fuel,

I'll take enough for top of climb

And glide in from Mount Yule.



They flew along as smooth as silk

With not a single jolt,

But as they got to Galley Reach

Both donks groaned to a halt.



The Captain said "Thank Christ they've stopped

They make a dreadful din,

I'll now complete this exercise

And glide the bastard in."



A glider is a lovely thing

You see them everywhere,

Some metal, others wood and glue

But never a KingAir!



With noses flat against the glass

The victims watched in horror,

And none of them had any doubt

They'd all be dead tomorra.



He held her on the centre line

He called the tower and said,

"For f**ks sake make me number one

I'm landing straight ahead."



He put it down right on the keys

and made sure he was clear,

Then smilingly he turned and said,

"I think we need a beer."



The Aero Club looks very nice

Looks like its just been painted,

But there was no-one to answer him

The bloody lot had fainted!



Wes turned and looked him in the eye

He said "Thank Christ that's ended!

It really won't surprise me

If your licence is suspended!



Those passengers we've got on board

Look like they're in a trance,

But now you must excuse me

'Cos I think I've shat my pants!"



When Joe Wal heard it on the 'phone

His hands flew to his head,

His eyes stood out like organ stops

"F**k me" was all he said.



But when heard the details

Of this history making flight,

His eyes lit up with interest

And he thought of it all night.



For Joe has always longed to fly

Although it made him dizzy,

But this bloke here could show him how

On days he wasn't busy.



So Joe signed up on the spot

They headed for the pub,

Now Joe's the latest member

Of the Moresby Gliding Club.



Sir Julius picked up his 'phone and heard

A voice known far and wide,

"This Grumman that arrives next month

- I wonder how that glides?"



(A bilum is a PNG-made string bag.)

(Joe Wal was the head of the Department.)

(Sir Julius was the Prime Minister at the time.)

[OzExpat]

Pinky ... it's your album mate. Feel free to send the photos and I'll add them to the collection! :)

[Woomera]

Vege

Shakespeare, Grey and Byron isself wooda bin proud of ya.

Iambic pentameter has never bin writ so good, :D

I think I've met the glider pilot, nice chap. :eek::D

[Pinky the pilot]

Capt Veg; Thanks for the poem post. Think I have heard the name of the glider pilot myself. Alan Yarnold, my Chief Pilot when I was with DZ used to sing a rather hilarious song about flying a Nomad and the incident concerned was part of a verse.
'Boss' where are you now??

Ozmate; OK; I'll get 'em scanned and send them in due course.

Woomera; The new forum titles are excellent. No-one should have any grumbles now!:D :D Hopefully...

[Chimbu chuckles]

A few of Everest and K2....I'm reasonably sure anyway...they are harder to pick than you might think...and clear days are rare...I think these were taken on about my 4th trip to Kathmandu and the first where it was, relatively, 'severe clear'...I never saw fark all on most of the previous trips:(.

To give some sense of scale the track outbound from Kathmandu doesn't take you that close...perhaps 60 or 80 nm at a guess...and it's roughly 15 to 20 minutes after departure KTM, @ 4500' amsl, when you pass by so probably climbing through about 29000'...or just clearing the MSA and only a smiggen above the tops.:D

When I can I'll scan a copy of the 02 VOR/DME plate...it's an eye opener, especially the missed approach:eek:

Chuck.

[Capt Vegemite]

God bless a large Asian airline that back in the 90's only rostered Expat Captains to fly into Katamadu.

[Chimbu chuckles]

KTM 02 VOR/DME and KTM TAC added....I stuffed up and enlarged them a little more than I had planned but you won't miss any detail:D

Chuck.

[OzExpat]

Hey Chuck, they sure ARE big muthas of photos mate. Musta taken forever to upload them to your site! That's a really interesting missed approach - I don't feel quite so bad about what I had to do with that 27 VOR/DME at NZ! Still, riding that one to the MDA wouldn't be anywhere near the same as the KTM version!

I'm looking forward to more photos from ya mate... but maybe adjust yer scan settings a tad next time? ;)

[Eggman]

So what's the mystery strip (http://www.fototime.com/{F71E7B5F-9A01-4A91-8D91-4CBB0DBA3A8E}/picture.JPG) in Plugga's album (http://www.fototime.com/inv/D6D2654EE2CAB91)?

[Chimbu chuckles]

Boang...On an Island just North of Nissan Island (called Green Island in WW2 when occupied by RNZAF Corsairs) and south of Malekolon, which is south of Londolovit which is on Lihir Island...which when they finish extracting gold will be a hole in the ocean surrounded by a slag heap:D

Chuck

PS A chain of small Islands east of New Ireland.

[OzExpat]

Hey Eggman! Welcome back to PPRuNe mate, long time no see. I've heard you coming and going at Moresby a bit. I guess you finally took the risk with your laptop huh?

[Capt Vegemite]

Green Island adventure (http://www.nzfpm.co.nz/fragments/fot_isle.htm)

Bryan Cox had a small flying school at Ardmore the 60's

[OzExpat]

Well, it's the wee hours of Saturday morning here, but I finally found time to put up the latest photos from our mate Pinky. To save you all having to look back to page 1 for the link to his photos, you find them here (http://www.fototime.com/inv/A76BF2D77508820). It's the last 7 in the collection, starting at PINKY029, showing a flight down the Kosipe Valley toward the Tapini Valley.

Sorry to have taken so long getting them up there mate!

[Chimbu chuckles]

That about sums up the enroute experience while flying in the mountains...those would have been taken while flying at, from memory, about 7000 odd feet, give or take a bit.

Nice piccies Pinky....got you message by the way...I'll send you a detailed response later today!

Chuck.

[Herc Jerk]

Great photosPinky , esp Kamulai on finals. Though i seem to remember a "welcome to Kamulai" painted in large letters on a rock to the right of the approach threshold... was it too far away in the photo to show up/not there when you took the photo/a figment of my imagination?

Oz those photos you were looking for should be in your inbox.

Nice part of the world Chuck , we're just down the road in Mermaid.

[OzExpat]

G'day HJ, I was wondering what happened to ya! Thanks for the piccies, you'll be delighted to know that the 4 lost sheep have now been penned up safely in your album. I've taken steps to ensure that photos can't be lost in any future "house-keeping" on my FotoTime site.

For those who don't wanna check back to page one, here is the link to the PNG Album bilong Herc Jerk (http://www.fototime.com/inv/5B755E7DFBE3706).

[Pinky the pilot]

Ozmate; thanks for putting up the latest of me piccies. Good job with the titles!

Chuckles; I still reckon that the route down the Kosipe Valley was one of the more spectacular around that area.You're right about crossing the ridge a 7000'. Then a nice descent down the valley to join on base at Tapini at 4000'
I'm still a bit p/offed with myself however for not having a camera with me the second time I was in PNG. I finished up with the whole province and the most spectacular strip the name of which escapes me was one where you joined circuit o/head, downwind was flown in the next valley, runway completely out of sight, base; down a conveniently located valley with runway still out of sight and finals down a ess shaped valley with the runway only becoming visible on a very short finals! And you were committed once turning base! Not Iaura either.
Have'nt recieved your e-mail yet mate. There's been a problem here with e-mails lately, lots are'nt getting through.

Herc Jerk; no, I can't remember seeing anything like that at Kamulai. Not that I can recall anyway

[Herc Jerk]

Pinky , my memory is kaput- to the point of making up things now:rolleyes: but i think you might be thinking of Haewini(sp?)- the one with the "dead tree" approach... east of the Aseki/Kanabea area but not as far as Wau.

[Capt Vegemite]

Unbelievable...theyre contemplating closing Ok Tedi due to drought conditions.
Already sent off surplus workers.
I thought that apart from London this was the wettest place in world??:eek:

[Pinky the pilot]

Herk Jerk; no, I never got over that way. This strip was down the same way sort of, if memory serves me correctly as Iaura. Somewhere around 45 min. from Moresby in a BN2.
I will have to check my old maps, what's left of 'em.

[OzExpat]

Veg ... this isn't the first time that OTML has been taken hostage by El Nino...:(

[Capt Vegemite]

Ozmate do recall the gamon famine in 73 a bit b4 yer time.
Flyin in tinpis bag rice all day to the starving hoards and backloading fresh vegetable for the markets, the proceeds being used for SP grog charters.
It was so busy I think they even put in a tower in Mendi. http://community.airattack.co.uk/images/smilies/wavey.gif

They was hambak tumas well before they got independence.

[OzExpat]

I hear ya Veg mate... nothing changes here. Different times but the same old cr@p. :(

[Travelling Toolbox]

Pinky

When you figure out which strip it was that you are trying to remember, please post it as I am bugarrrred if I can recollect.

And now its one of those annoying things that wont go away.

Tenku tru :)

[OzExpat]

I have this recurring thought that, somewhere around the middle to late 80s, there were a few places with "Welcome to... signs. I don't think Kamulai was one of them but, for the life of me, I can't think of any of the places where I think I've seen them. :(

I guess that I'm having a similar mental failure to Pinky because I feel sure that Chuck would have contributed if he'd seen any of those signs! :)

Paging Chuck ... :D

[bpu]

Pinky

how's things?
with regards to that place with the 3 valley approach and only becoming visual with the strip on shortish final I believe you're right allthough my memory isn't what it was and that wasn't much anyway.
In my logbook I abbreviated it as IRA, it is approx on the 90-100 radial from POM just down from Oram(another little PNG gem)
IRA, was opened/reopened mid 1990
PInky just checking the logbook March 14 1990 pom-krm-hwb-krm-py your first taste of the kerema area, remember
On a different note I went and burnt some rubber and fuel in a 340 today at Zuhai pretty awesome

Chimbu
will be in sin soon hopefully get a layover, you still around

[Pinky the pilot]

Ozex; Yes, agree with you. Paging Chuck;
If anyone knows if there were any such signs anywhere, he would.
bpu; ah, memories of the delightful place called Kerema. Where I first sampled the delightful malady called Malaria!!!!:mad: :mad:
As for the strip IRA, rings a bell but I have to still check what's left of my maps. Will make a point of doing so shortly.

[olderbutyzer]

Hey Pinky, me old mate - long time no see! Taken any swimming lessons lately?

[Chimbu chuckles]

Hi guys...sorry I've been a little preoccupied lately with.....stuff!

I don't remember seeing too many places with welcome signs in white painted rocks...perhaps Marawaka or Wonenara??

Even the few that may have had them years ago probably still do but they're no longer visible due to;

1/. Paint hasn't been touched up in living memory,
2/. Grass hasn't been cut in at least that long:D

So can't see them anymore:rolleyes:!

And remember I haven't flown GA in PNG since Jan 95, I haven't flown Dash 7s since mid 96 and I haven't flown F28s since mid 99 so I'm hardly an expert on things PNG these days.

Lately I have been trying to absorb a vast amount of info which either;

1/. I never knew or,
2/. Have long forgotten,

about operating piston engines...more specifically 'big bore' flat 6s like the IO550B which drives my Bonanza through the sky. I'm having fitted an engine monitoring instrument (EDM 700) and (eventually when I can afford it) GAMI Injectors.

You would not believe the info out there and how much of what we were taught early on in our careers was wrong:eek:

Chuck.

[OzExpat]

HJ, Pinky, et al ... this won't help you very much, but there was a sign in white painted stones at the top end of Tapini. All it ever said was "TAPINI", with a border around it, so it's not the one you're thinking about. Just thought I'd exercise me fingers on the keyboard here tonight... :D

Chuck ... ya remember it all like it was yesterday mate, no need to be modest! ;)

Now wotsis about us all learning sh!tloads of duff gen? I take it yer not referring to the belief in 3 forces acting on an aeroplane in S+L flight? Or maybe it's five...? :D

[Chimbu chuckles]

Nah not dat:D

I'm talking about use of mixture control and what it does, use of the throttle and how it works, use of pitch controls and how constant speed props work(actually there wasn't much of that that was new), operating ROP(rich of peak egt) and or LOP(lean of peak egt) , what actually happens inside a cylinder during the combustion event, effect of mixture on the timing of that event with respect to TDC, how that effects CHT, effect of throttle position on effective mixture, effect of air bubbles in hot fuel on effective mixture, how turbo charging and turbo normalising work....:(:D

Like who can tell me which control out of throttle, Pitch or mixture has the most authority with respect to how much power an engine produces?

or

Why is it a REALLY bad idea to set 25"/2500 rpm straight after takeoff

or

What is the relationship between EGT,CHT and Power as you lean the mixture from full rich?

or

Why is 25 to 50 degrees ROP about the worst place to operate a piston engine over 65% power?

Chuck:D

ps. It's all sorts of fun re-awakening my turbine/jet brain after all these years:eek:

[Herc Jerk]

Was GTGT , now Chuckles's Chimbu Brain Teasers ... or something to that effect? :D
Having had a lot of experience at being proved wrong, and have no qualms with adding to that "experience":rolleyes: , and before someone of truly learned brain gets here, i shall volunteer as the first Chimbu...

I doth reckon;

1. Mixture. mix=fuel, fuel=bang. Lots fuel=lots bang, 1/2 fuel=half bang, no fuel=well....

2. Assuming (here i go again) you mean changing power setting directly after TOFF then i would say it is in ones best interest to wait until a safe altitude as that initial power reduction is a likely time for something to get sideways "under the hood". At max pwr the eng has the most "internal" momentum, so has the greatest power with which to break itself should one change this momentum by reducing pwr.

3. Max pwr is equal to peak egt, but drops steeply on the lean side. CHT increases... until a certain point of course:)

4. Disparity between cylinders can mean the indicated one is 25-50 ROP but another may be well LOP- dis is not goot at high pwr settings.

So I hath reckoned:D :rolleyes:

As i prepare to be shot down in flames:eek:

Chuck, how does the throttle position affect the effective mixure (the F-A ratio right?).

Much better for everything to go 'round and 'round...

HJ

[PLovett]

Chimbu

Hazarding a guess, I's say that you have been reading the gospel according to Deakin. :eek: :eek:

If you have, don't let the ATSB catch you, otherwise you could cop a broadside from them. :( :(

Still, its fascinating stuff if you have an open mind about it all. ;)

[OzExpat]

Geez Chuck, better you than me mate! Was piston flying really THAT complicated? I wonder why we never lost any more pistons/engines than we did? :eek:

Maybe it was just 20 (or so ;) ) years of really good luck eh! :D

[Pinky the pilot]

Chuckles; What on earth have you been up to to have to go through all that stuff again? Drop me a line soon can ya?

bpu; checked what's left of my maps(ONCs only, all the TPCs were destroyed) IRA was Iaura and whilst that strip had a similar circuit pattern to the one I mentioned that is not the one I seem to remember. I know that it was not listed in the one way strip bible.

olderbutyzer; Oohh.... not nice!!!!! And no, I have'nt!
Not an experience I wish to repeat.

[Sharpie]

Hey Ozexpat!
Do you have anything on the forthcoming Klub Balus Bash at the Oirish Klub. I think that it is Saturday 19th.

[OzExpat]

Thanks for the reminder Sharpie. I recall a post, somewhere in this forum, a while back, but haven't noticed anything further about it. I've never been to one of those Brissy bashes and would love to go, but there's so much work on at present that I don't think I can get there. :(

Anyone else know any of the details?

[Chimbu chuckles]

PLovett,

Not only have I been reading his bible but John and I correspond on a regular basis and have been for quite some time...I also own a Bonanza and after MUCH study of what he has to say and MUCH study of empirical graphical evidence recorded in not only his own engine(via his EDM 700) but the GAMI test cell engine I am having fitted an EDM 700 and GAMI injectors to my aircraft in the current engine overhaul of it's IO550B and when I pick it up from Scone in the next 10 days or so I will be putting it into practice. I have just spent a LOT of money having it overhauled with new Millenium cylinders and I'll be damned if I won't know exactly what is happening in every cylinder!

If you do have an open mind and really READ what he has to say and REALLY LOOK at the graphs/info etc that he downloads from his engine monitor then in the end it becomes impossible to ignore the facts and logic of it. And be assured I haven't just listened to what he has to say once and gone "YES ENLIGHTENMENT"...it has taken a while and LOTS of reading/asking questions etc to overcome my own preconcieved ideas based on what I was taught early on and practiced for over 4000 hours on flat 6 TCM or Lyc engines both normally aspirated and 'blown'.

Even Lycoming is now saying there is nothing wrong with operating big bore flat 6s LOP...with a bunch of caveats and what ifs...obviously written by a Lawyer

I absolutely DARE the ATSB to have a go at me...I assume you're joking:D

Pinky,

I'm only into it because,

1/. I have an enquiring mind about aeroplanes.
2/. I own a Bonanza...but even if I didn't I still hop into all sorts of aircraft when I'm not flying Jets...just a few weeks ago I flew a Tiger Moth and will be doing so again(different one) in the next few weeks.

And yes I have been slack I'll email/message you tonight or tomorrow.

In fact email me your phone number and I'll call ya!

HJ,

1/. Absolutely correct.

2/. No I mean pulling it back at say 1000'. In IO520/550s and most similar engines having the throttle wide open opens an enrichment 'valve' which ensure there is BULK fuel going into the engine for cooling at Tkoff power...pulling it back to 25" closes that and effectively leans the mixture A LOT. That makes for a quicker burning flame front in the cylinder and moves the Peak Power Pulse (max PSI in the cylinder) back towards TDC which puts a lot more strain on the cylinder and a LOT more heat into the cylinder heads. It also reduces your detonation margins.

Bringing the RPM back also brings the PPP back toward TDC because the crank is turning slower so there is less rotation between the fixed time spark (before TDC) and the PPP after TDC. This is why the old rule of reducing MP before RPM etc...but it's only going to make a difference at very high power settings, in cruise you could pretty well do the opposite and it would make no difference to the engine.

The answer? Within the limits set by the manufacturer you just leave it balls to the wall. On my IO550 (and a great many other similar engines) the max continuous limit is full throttle and 2700 rpm...that's where mine will be staying to TOPC.

3/. As you lean from full rich max power is reached first, about 50 + ROP EGT, VERY soon after Peak CHT occurrs (makes sense to me that peak heat would occur really close to peak grunt) and as you keep leaning towards peak EGT the CHT DECREASES as does BHP.

As you lean further EGT/CHT and BHP REDUCE FURTHER...but interestingly BSFC (Brake Specific Fuel Consumption= the amount of fuel to make 1 hp for 1 hour) gets better. That means although power is dropping the fuel flow is dropping faster so the engine is more efficient.

4/. You're right and wrong. Disparity between cylinders (caused by badly set tolerances on factory standard injectors) means that each cylinder is doing something different. John's analogy is that with factory standard single probe cht/egt and injectors which are not set(able) to balance temps across the engine you effectively have 6 'single cylinder' engines flying in close formation. Leaning at very high power settings is only bad for the cylinders/valves etc until you get PAST peak CHT and keep leaning then it's better.

With factory standard engines you cant do this because you get rough running caused by imbalanced fuel flows(charges) in the cylinders..so you enrichen 'until smooth running' and end up with some (maybe most but you'd never know with single probe CHTs) cylinders sitting right at peak CHT (25 to 50+ ROP EGT:( ) Analysis of the metals used in cylinders shows that CHTs much over 400F are VERY BAD because the metalurgical properties start to change...hardly the best way to get max life from your components. The redline on my IO550 is 460F:eek: I won't be going past 400F and preferably 380F in future.

However IF you have 'tailored' injectors (so each cylinder gets the CORRECT amount of fuel) and a multi probe EGT/CHT then the LOP side of the spectrum becomes available because the engine won't run rough...virtually until it cuts out all together. If, for instance you have leaned to LOP EGT and one cylinder is sitting at 395F and you lean MORE then that CHT (and all the others) will get COOLER...you will be cooling it with AIR not FUEL and therefore the engine will be running CLEANER.

Recently on a flight in his Bonanza John leaned to 250F LOP purely out of curiosity...the engine was as smooth as a baby's bottom but wasn't producing enough power to maintain level flight (question 1/. :D)

I'm not going to provide a link to the websight where John writes because perhaps Danny may be unhappy if I do but if anyone is keen to learn more about this stuff (or just curious to see if I'm BSing) email me and I'll give you the link.

ITS REALLY INTERESTING STUFF....Particularly when you've just spent A$40K overhauling an IO550B (at TBO +10% because the previous owners top overhauled it after 800 odd hours because the compressions were F**KED)

Chaps like Sharpie with lots of time in DC3s with Radial engines would understand this stuff intuitively..LOP was SOP in those aircraft but it wasn't called that because EGTs weren't invented then. Radials, because of their design/layout, have very even fuel flows to each cylinder and very even cooling from ram air flow, not like the flat 6s we have today, so they don't run rough when you lean them out they way 'modern' engines do. I have 10.7 F/O hours in a DC3 logged before I went to PNG while flying with an old WW2 Captain (who while flying a DAK earned a DFC dropping paratroops at Arnhem). While reading some of Johns stuff I remembered being shown how to lean the mixture by the colour of the engine exhaust, at night, and by a slight power drop (there was a 'power' gauge in the Dak, not MP by the way it was BMEP or some such) and then you bumped up the MP to get back the power you 'lost' while leaning.

I know you hate my guts Pete but will I see you at the PNG reunion?:D

Chuck.

[PLovett]

Chimbu

You are quite right. My tongue was firmly in my cheek when I referred to the ATSB. It was very noticeable that they formed a defensive square the moment John Deakin's article got some publicity on this forum.

I came across Mr Deakin's web articles a few years ago and was impressed with the amount of research that he had done which cut across the old wives tales that still are heard constantly today. I actually downloaded and printed those articles and still read them.

I hope you have a lot of fun with the Bonanza. :) :cool: :)

[Sharpie]

It appears that seeing Ozexpat can not make it to Klub Balus, I'll just have to try if the boat is ready for the next offshore event in time. Nothing like a few wee drams of Guiness.
As far as Chimbu goes, he should kknnow who assisted his application northbound without animosity!

[Chimbu chuckles]

Good then I'll buy you a beer and we can talk about sailing....flying might be too dangerous a topic:D

Chuckles.

[Herc Jerk]

Nice one Chuckles - dropped you an email for that url if you can- thanks.

HJ

[Pinky the pilot]

Chuckles; Thanks for the phone call mate! It was really good to talk with you again after so long. Hope the phone bill is'nt too big!

olderbutyzer; Send me an e-mail sometime if you can please. Amongst other things, I suspect I owe you a bit of an apology.

Any ex PNG Pilots; How about a few more stories or piccies? There must be heaps more out there!:D

[Woomera]

Chuckles please feel free to post the John Deakin site, there is much that can be learnt.;)

I would only, and I'm sure Chuckles would agree, warn that you should use your company ops procedures until you have the boss on side and he/she agrees to the change.

Some myths die hard.

[Chimbu chuckles]

Here's the URL for John Deakin's engine specific articles;

http://www.avweb.com/articles/pelperch/pistonlinks.html

And here's the URL for the AVweb Columns section where John has many other interesting articles about flying for Air America(yes that AA:D ) as well as flying the CAF B29/B24/C46/Bearcat/Super Connie. Lot's of other interesting stuff there too.

http://www.avweb.com/toc/columns.html

John is a dedicated undoer of misinformation and OWTs (Old Wives Tales) and a very entertaining read.

Put these sites in your favorites because more will be added regularly.

Chuck.

PS.
And as Woomera said Consult your Chief Pilot before launching off and applying what is written here about engine handling, although a great deal is common sense and just good airmanship. John Deakin would absolutely demand that too. The LOP side of things is actually unacheivable without the technology mentioned, ie GAMIjectors and some sort of multiprobe EGT/CHT monitor. Carburetted engines are beyond help also...sadly.

[OzExpat]

Hey Woomera ... the stuff that Chuck just posted deserves a life of its' own, especially as it seems like this thread has just about died now. Whaddyareckon about hiving off Chuck's post to a dedicated thread and close this one? It's the decent, gentlemanly thing, I think... :D

[Freddy One Bar]

Departure Brief - Moresby Style!

F2: Yu laikim save long defarture toktok?

F1: Em Nau.

F2: Okay. Em dispela defarture bilong mipela, em orto-filot long sait bilong mi. Em rolling orite. Mi laikim tork bilong tupela pawa masin 99 pacent, na sfeeds bilong take opp em stap long liklik samtings long airsfeed indicator. Em set na cross check.

Saposim yumi gat liklik bagarup, nogat 80 knots, yupela rausim pawa long dispela balus, em stopim longwei Runway 32R.

Saposim yumi kisim baksait 80 knots, rausim pawa long bikpela bagarup tasol.

Sapos airsfeed bug gat V1 em balus I bagarup, yumi tupela mas go long sky. Em VSI gat '+ve' rate, mipela tok 'rausim wheels' na 'mi tingting mi lusim pawa masin, yu checkim peather'.

Saposim yu tok 'nogat peather' or 'aaaaaaiiiiiiiieeeeeeee - igat pire', em mi tok 'Pase Won's plis', na checkim lever bilong yu.

Mi climbim dispela balus long V2 long 1500 fit, wait liklik taim long yumi gat V2+20, em mi tok 'rausim plap' na 'Pase Tu's plis long kwiktaim buk'. Mi climbim long Vfs, na kwiktaim or igat plenti taim na yumi go bak long ples balus, na toktok ATC 'mi laikim go long RWY14L or 32R kwiktaim plis'.

Yumi pinisim long toktok long bikpela man antap, yumi go long dero club na askim Ted 'tupela S.P kwiktaim plis'. Yugat save long olgeta?

[OzExpat]

You been evesdropping on me, Freddy? :D

[Chimbu chuckles]

"You have any questions?" usually worked for me:D

Chuck.

PS More likely "Sapos pire e kamup bai mi singaut PUK na you bai putim hed bilong yu long ars bilong yu":D

Na tingim!

[Woomera]

Ozexpat I agree entirely with you re; Chuckles "Deakin" articles .

Chuckles Would you be so kind as to oblige with the usual disclaimers etc and perhaps keep an eye on it for us.:) :D

[Chimbu chuckles]

Indeed.

I must say I've become a bit of a zealot myself lately. I had fitted new Millenium Cylinders, an EDM700 and Gamijectors during this engine overhaul and CANT WAIT to start some first hand experimenting in a few days. Should have 6 or 8 hours up by the time I hit LRE on Friday and will be keen to pass on first hand experience.

Chuck.

[Bell Man]

The 3 little pigs in Pidgin. Can anyone rattle it off on here, as I would like a transcript.
Emtasol !
:D :D :D :D :)