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Drag0s
23rd Aug 2018, 09:16
Hello everyone,

I am in a bit of a weird situation with my Caa regarding the issuing of my license with the new ratings after my last revalidation and I am hoping to get some more clarifying if anyone can help on the subject.
While having my MEP-IR valid, I have performed an lpc in a standard FNTP II Allview simulator as per FCL.625.A IR A (3) where I am allowed to do the revalidation of the IR every other year as long as the next one is done in the actual airplane. Now the problem is, my Caa doesn't want to issue the license with any ratings in any way as they say that they cannot associate the IR with any class rating.
As far as I know even though I have never been in this situation, if I am doing the lpc in the sim with valid ratings at hand, I should if I am not mistaken, have the license reissued as ME-IR untill the next year when I would have to renew the MEP rating in the actual airplane but the thing is that my Caa says now that I would have to go for a lpc for the mep in a meP approved sim or the actual airplane in order to have the license issued by them. I have tried to get some advice from the official EASA website but all I got was an automated message with the case ID and nothing more two months later.

Any advice is more than welcomed ! Thank you for your time !

Whopity
23rd Aug 2018, 09:43
The first question here is do you hold an EASA licence? If so why do you need to have a licence issued, as it is valid for life? Only the ratings in it have to be revalidated or renewed.
As you refer to revalidation I must assume you have a licence and that the CAA rather than the Examiner conducts the revalidation process. There is no requirement to relate the ME IR to a Class rating except that if conducted in a single it would be limited to SE.
You cannot revalidate the MEP in a FNPT, only an aeroplane or a Flt Sim that replicates the aeroplane of which there are none for the MEP Class. You refer to an LPC rathan an IR Prof Check! Put simply you can revalidate the IR in the FNPT, but not the Class rating.

Drag0s
23rd Aug 2018, 13:52
The first question here is do you hold an EASA licence? If so why do you need to have a licence issued, as it is valid for life? Only the ratings in it have to be revalidated or renewed.
As you refer to revalidation I must assume you have a licence and that the CAA rather than the Examiner conducts the revalidation process. There is no requirement to relate the ME IR to a Class rating except that if conducted in a single it would be limited to SE.
You cannot revalidate the MEP in a FNPT, only an aeroplane or a Flt Sim that replicates the aeroplane of which there are none for the MEP Class. You refer to an LPC rathan an IR Prof Check! Put simply you can revalidate the IR in the FNPT, but not the Class rating.

Thank you for your reply and I am sorry if I had used the terms incorectly. In short, I have an EASA license and I needed to revalidate the ME-IR rating so that I can have ME-IR license as without it I cannot apply for a type rating course. Before the expiry date, I had MEP-IR on my license and from what I understand, by undergoing an lpc in a fntp II sim, I can extend the validity of my ratings as ME-IR written on the license. The poblem is, that the authority accepted the examiners request to perform the lpc in the standard sim but now they are saying that they cannot issue my license due to the fact that I didnít also renew the class rating and therefore cannot issue a license with only IR and no class rating associated wih it. Basically what I am asking is, can one revalidate me-ir in a sim every other year whilr my mep-ir are valid, and if yes, should I now have a license with me-ir on it ?

Thank you for your time !

Whopity
24th Aug 2018, 07:06
Basically what I am asking is, can one revalidate me-ir in a sim every other year whilr my mep-ir are valid,
Both ratings are valid for 1 year, the IR can be revalidated in the Sim every other year, but the MEP will expire if not revalidated seperately in an aeroplane as the Sim is not qualified.

Drag0s
24th Aug 2018, 17:07
Both ratings are valid for 1 year, the IR can be revalidated in the Sim every other year, but the MEP will expire if not revalidated seperately in an aeroplane as the Sim is not qualified.

Thanks for your reply but I donít understand why you would revalidate the IR without associating it with a class/type. If I am not mistaken I need to have valid ME-IR on my license when starting a type rating course which I could only have if I have had revalidated the ratings in an actual ME aircraft or ME apprived sim. My problem is that after doing the revalidation in a fntp II sim, I am stuck with only IR valid and I cannot have the license printed untill I renew the mep now since the rating is lapsed.

Drag0s
24th Aug 2018, 17:12
Both ratings are valid for 1 year, the IR can be revalidated in the Sim every other year, but the MEP will expire if not revalidated seperately in an aeroplane as the Sim is not qualified.

Thank you for your reply but I donít understand why one would revalidate only the IR without associating it with a class/type or maybe there is something that I am missing. The problem is that my Caa will not release my license after doing the exam with valid ratings in the fntpII sim as they say that the IR needs to be associated with a class/type and there is no other way around it. Therefore I want to ask if they are right and I now have to renew the mep so that they can put it on the license next to the IR I have revalidated 2 months ago or is this only a scheme to get me to pay some more unecessary bills.

Thanks a lot !

Whopity
24th Aug 2018, 18:03
I don’t understand why you would revalidate the IR without associating it with a class/type. In most cases you would not, but as you can't revalidate the MEP Class in a FNPT you would need to do two prof checks wheras a single check in the aeroplane will revalidate both.

rudestuff
25th Aug 2018, 06:36
Can you ask the CAA to show you where is says you need a valid class rating? In the UK you do not need an MEP - so much for standardization. I’ve done a multi pilot type rating and I’ve NEVER held an MEP rating.

Drag0s
25th Aug 2018, 07:16
Can you ask the CAA to show you where is says you need a valid class rating? In the UK you do not need an MEP - so much for standardization. Iíve done a multi pilot type rating and Iíve NEVER held an MEP rating.

Thank you fot your reply, I have tried that but they just say that they cannot issue the license because they have never had a case where someone revalidated in the sim (mostly because they make sure students are being missinformed about this procedure so that they go and pay flight hours and instructors) and since I canít contact anyone in Easa to speak about the subject I have to do a mep renwal now or I donít get to see my license. And the other thing is I donít know of anyone who had his ratings extended by doing the sim pc so I can show a clear case of how things should work after doing the revalidation exam with valid ratings.

Whopity
25th Aug 2018, 07:56
and since I can’t contact anyone in Easa to speak about the subject EASA do not have any technical staff to answer such questions and it is not their job to do so. There is nothing in the regulation to say that you cannot revalidate an IR without having an associated Class or Type rating, they are seperate ratings however; it is up to the NAA to interpret the regulation as they see fit. In the UK you would not be going to the NAA to have the licence reissued for a revalidation, the Examiner would sign for the Prof Check conducted which in the case of the IR would be just that rating.

Drag0s
25th Aug 2018, 16:36
Thank you for your replies, bottom line is a pc for IR will get you nowhere if it is not associated with a rating and the rule for revalidating in the sim on alternate years is only good for the IR part unless the sim is me approved also. Therefore as I have to apply for a type rating in the near future, I will now have to do the mep renewal in order to have it associated with the IR I had allready passed two months ago.

172510
27th Aug 2018, 19:28
Why do you want to have your license reissued? When you revalidate, the examiner just writes on your license that you have revalidated and that's it. Then your licence shows a MEP expiring the 30th of June 2018, and an IR-ME expiring the 30th of June 2019. Before the end of June 2018, you may revalidate or not your MEP, as you wish, the two things are different.

Drag0s
28th Aug 2018, 06:43
[QUOTE=172510;10234694]Why do you want to have your license reissued? When you revalidate, the examiner just writes on your license that you have revalidated and that's it.

Because in Romania, they want you to send the revalidation applications after the check so that the authority checks if everything is in order and then you have to pay about 200 euro for them to reissue the license with the new validity date :). Anyway I need to have some sort of ME-IR toghether as I am applying for a type rating so only IR wonít help.

Thanks,

selfin
11th Sep 2018, 13:08
There is nothing in the regulation to say that you cannot revalidate an IR without having an associated Class or Type rating.

That will cease to be true once the proposed Aircrew Regulation amendment, annexed to EASA Opinion No 05/2017 (https://www.easa.europa.eu/document-library/opinions/opinion-052017), takes effect. The new condition was supported by DGAC France and the Finnish Transport Safety Agency, and objected to by UK CAA, IAA, and AOPA Sweden. The relevant point will be FCL.625.A(a):

Applicants for the revalidation of an IR(A) shall hold the relevant class or type rating ...

Are expired ratings still listed in section XII of the licence considered to be "held" for the purpose of this point?