Eurowings (Germany)

[Duff Man SA]

I am thinking of applying to Eurowings - Are there any pilots here (Preferably MUC based) who I could talk to over DM about lifestyle, rosters and actual net pay? German taxes seem complicated to work out.

Thanks in advance.

[Arewerunning]

You will not get a german base but either:

1-pmi
2-salzburg
3-vie

...with eurowings europe.

Fo 2200/2500
cpt 3500

...net

enjoy

[CaptainProp]

You will not get a german base but either:

1-pmi
2-salzburg
3-vie

...with eurowings europe.

Fo 2200/2500
cpt 3500

...net

enjoy

The joy of working for a LH Group company. 😂👍🏻

[the flu]

I’m really wondering why people are accepting this conditions. Cpt in eurowing bases is earning the same salary as a low level programist living in the same city...

[Denti]

Well, the german bases are still looking for FOs as far as i know, with Eurowings Germany. However, expect to be on the right side for around 15 to 20 years. Or be fired in a year or two.

[sekmeth]

What is the roster of a FO in eurowings Germany like. Home every night, lots of nightstops etc? Is it possible to live 90mins from base or do I need to move?

[dirk85]

Not sure you can afford to pay the fuel driving 3 hours a day on that salary.

[sekmeth]

usefull reply, thx!
pay is not that bad. Starting salary is 53.7k gross, exc flight pay. And yes, I am familiar with the german taxes. Its still twice as much as Im earning today

[dirk85]

I was going by the numbers posted above, 2200/2500 net a month, as it seems the jobs available are with Eurowings Europe.

[Lexsis]

You will not get a german base but either:

1-pmi
2-salzburg
3-vie

...with eurowings europe.

Fo 2200/2500
cpt 3500

...net

enjoy

Do you work for them? Just wondering. 3500 net seems extremely low for a captain... is it really like that?

[sekmeth]

I was going by the numbers posted above, 2200/2500 net a month, as it seems the jobs available are with Eurowings Europe.

I was reading that statement as well, but I doubt its correct.
As I have spoken to e Lufthansa representative in Hamburg (at Interpersonal) and with a TRE during my screening, and both confirmed me that they are also looking for German base FOs.
But my main concert atm is my previous question, regarding rosters. Any info regarding a typical roster or a rough estimate would be much appreciated.

[CaptainPugwash12]

Also try DHL Cargo in Germany, the same company recruits Eurowings and DHL.

[stranotipo]

Eurowings Germany is indeed requiring FOs at the moment. The only caveat is the German language requirement...

in Eurowings Europe there is no such requirement so, as of today those who speak no German they will go to EW EU.

for those doubting the numbers, well try it out for yourself. They are almost done with negotiations for a new contract and it seems there is going to be a whopping 500€ Net increase in the numbers mentioned above.

enjoy

[dirk85]

They are almost done with negotiations for a new contract and it seems there is going to be a whopping 500€ Net increase in the numbers mentioned above.
Happy for them, that way FOs will make the same money as a cabin crew, and the Captains almost FO money in any half decent company.

[flyac]

Dirk, even though I'm totally with you when it comes to the very low salary, please stay with the facts. CC at Austrian and EW-EU are earning around 1530 Euro gross and there aren't many Airlines around who pay over 2k gross for FA's. BTW, Austrian, a so called Premium-Carrier, is paying their Pilots a very similar figure to those at EW..

[dirk85]

Dirk, even though I'm totally with you when it comes to the very low salary, please stay with the facts. CC at Austrian and EW-EU are earning around 1530 Euro gross and there aren't many Airlines around who pay over 2k gross for FA's. BTW, Austrian, a so called Premium-Carrier, is paying their Pilots a very similar figure to those at EW..

Yeah, salaries in LG Group subsidiaries seem to be a big problem. It is a shame really.

[Denti]

Dirk, even though I'm totally with you when it comes to the very low salary, please stay with the facts. CC at Austrian and EW-EU are earning around 1530 Euro gross and there aren't many Airlines around who pay over 2k gross for FA's. BTW, Austrian, a so called Premium-Carrier, is paying their Pilots a very similar figure to those at EW..

Well, Austrian might style itself as a premium carrier, but there is a reason they face the very real prospect of parking half their natrowbody fleet caused by lack of FOs.

[ReallyAnnoyed]

For comparison, new CC at easyJet in Germany will get around 17-1800 €/month after tax and pursers are on 22-2300 €/month after tax.

[dirk85]

Around 700 net more than that for the same position in Italy or France, still with easyJet.

[azdriver]

I was reading that statement as well, but I doubt its correct.
As I have spoken to e Lufthansa representative in Hamburg (at Interpersonal) and with a TRE during my screening, and both confirmed me that they are also looking for German base FOs.
But my main concert atm is my previous question, regarding rosters. Any info regarding a typical roster or a rough estimate would be much appreciated.

Even though they are advertising DEFO for Eurowings Germany, keep in mind that those positions are open only to:

1-people that pass DLR
2-people with a German level B2

If you are participating to a selection run by Interpersonal then, do not kid yourself: you are going to be placed in Eurowings Europe with the following bases:

1-VIE
2-Salzburg
3-PMI
4-MUC (it is a big question if that base is still going to be assigned to EW EU since the crews -because of the double taxation agreement between germany and austria- are paying double taxes for the sector flown within germany)

The salary quoted for the first 3 bases on previous posts are correct:

Fo 2200/2500
cpt 3200/3500

You can talk to anyone from management and regardless of what they say, those are the numbers. Keep in mind that the Austrian management have some interesting human resources practices where -for whatever reasons and excuses - they seems to continue missing payments for sickness, holidays, sectors and some agreed bonuses. Regardless of what arbeitrech in Austria dictates. Union Vida representatives are quite inexperience guys and are putting very little pressure on the company.

Some people seems to be owned a lot of moneys - I have heard up 20k euro - so be careful in planning your living with the number quoted above, you might get less money after all.

There must be a reason why 2 TRIs plus Post Holder Training recently resign and some young captains too.


enjoy austria flying...

[hans brinker]

You will not get a german base but either:

1-pmi
2-salzburg
3-vie

...with eurowings europe.

Fo 2200/2500
cpt 3500

...net

enjoy

I know taxe are high in EU, but €78,000 per year would be more than €3,500 net per month for most of us.

https://www.career.aero/eurowings-group/en/job/show/id/2776

[Lexsis]

Eurowings Germany is indeed requiring FOs at the moment. The only caveat is the German language requirement...

in Eurowings Europe there is no such requirement so, as of today those who speak no German they will go to EW EU.

for those doubting the numbers, well try it out for yourself. They are almost done with negotiations for a new contract and it seems there is going to be a whopping 500€ Net increase in the numbers mentioned above.

enjoy

How are you so sure that non-German speakers cannot get a base in Germany with Eurowings Germany?

AFAIK the requirement is lifted to speak fluently German with EWG.

[stranotipo]

So,

i see some say that basic salary is 78000€ for a CPT: that is not true at the moment. It will be when a contract is signed. For the moment is less then that. That’s why the current numbers for net pay are so low(2500€ for FO 3200€ for Cpt)

German is not waived for German bases: it is still in the MTV of Eurowings Deutschland.

but, if you are so willing to join, apply and see for yourself.

please don’t complain once on the line, you have been informed

[Lexsis]

But how are you so sure? You work for Eurowings? Just curious here, as I also always thought German language skills were required for EWG.

[Ambiorix]

Hi,

Dont you get paid a 13th and 14th month when flying for Eurowings Europe based in Austria?

Anyone knows more about the roster, Pension etc?

Thanks

[pedrothepilot]

I've seen the salary posted for the EW europe group, it does indeed look on the low side, after 35percent austrian tax.

Does anyone know how many flight hours one could expect, and therefore an approximation of how much flight pay one could earn per year?

The euro wings germany bases are far more desirable for T and C's..

[stranotipo]

I've seen the salary posted for the EW europe group, it does indeed look on the low side, after 35percent austrian tax.

Does anyone know how many flight hours one could expect, and therefore an approximation of how much flight pay one could earn per year?

The euro wings germany bases are far more desirable for T and C's..

last solar year that in Eurowings Europe :

TRI 900 hrs ca.
CPT 500 hrs ca.
FO 500 hrs ca.

there is no flight pay anymore, only duty pay

[1201alarm]

Here are some facts:
Eurowings Group has several airlines which conduct flight under EW-flightnumber. The 3 most prominent ones (amongst other) are Eurowings Germany, Eurowings Europe and Germanwings.

All of these 3 have a huge demand for first officers because of the pilot contract relation towards Lufthansa mainline (explanation later)!

The German language requirement has been lifted, proper English is now enough. You also do not need to be type rated anymore, type rating is paid with subsequent bonding, no hours requirement as well. Just check on the Eurowings website.

Overall Eurowings Group is well placed in its homebases, having a very strong market share and slot domination, giving it a good long term outlook. Many homebases on offer now for new joiners. What is also good is the backing of Lufthansa, Eurowings is one of the long term strategic pillers of Lufthansa Group, which itself is very strong financially.

Eurowings Germany and Germanwings are unionized and have collective bargaining agreements in place. This means as an individual pilot you are well protected. Training seems to be good from what I hear, SOP and flight ops standards coming from Lufthansa mainline.

I would surely giving it a go if I was looking for a foot into the European market, especially Germany. Germany is nice, people are friendly.

Now which of the three companies to pick?
Eurowings Europe offers VIE or PMI as homebase, pay seems rather low, company is small and under pressure from several new competitors in VIE.
Eurowings Germany and Germanwings have same contract structure now, which is apparently better than Eurowings Europe. So personally I would avoid Eurowings Europe.

Germanwings has one big advantage over Eurowings Germany for prospective applicants: most current Germanwings captains will go back to Lufthansa within the next 4 years, creating a lot of upgrade opportunities within Germanwings, while Eurowings Germany has a rather "stable" pilot demografic and less upgrade opportunities for new joiners.

Since demand is high, probably you could play a bit of poker and insist on joining Germanwings to eventually profit from a fast upgrade.

[safelife]

1201alarm you don't seem to be to well informed.
Many of the aspects you mention are just incorrect.

To just take one as an example: yes many GWI pilots are LH-bound. But: GWI currently has 4 times as many captains as they do have FOs.
Upgrade perspective?!?

[AFrotary]

Anyone here that is actually working for EWG or GWI at the moment and cares to shed some light over there T&C’s? How many working days a month, take-home pay and years to command?

[CaptainProp]

Cpt

https://www.career.aero/eurowings-group/en/job/show/id/2776

FO

https://www.career.aero/eurowings-group/en/job/show/id/2812

[MXer]

Dear colleagues,

I wanna clear up with some myths regarding Eurowings Europe (EWE) here.
First the information i‘m providing here will be outdated soon as a collective agreement will be signed this month providing substantial improvements especially for FOs.

Pay:
CPT BASE pay is based on prev. experience as PIC and is between:
78k (0hrs) - 138k (8000hrs max.) gross/year
CPT sector pay: 100€/sector after 204 sectors flown/year. myths that you will never reach this threshold are BS (this was true only in the first year of ops starting with 3 a/c and when most of the legs were needed for crew training).
also vac-days count as ‚legs‘ (~2.5/day) for sure. Me personally as a trainer, i‘ve reached the threshold by May this year.

So making 3.5k net per month is only true for a new 0hrs cpt without doing ANY extra sectors the whole year which is impossible.
after clarifying all this, is it a superb job as cpt regarding pay? the answer is still NO.

For me the only reason working for a loco is being based where you (wanna) live (which for EWE is VIE, SZG, PMI, MUC, and 1more base to be determined 2019)

greets, MXer

[SoundLesS]

Will they close down the AOC in Austria? I saw some news about that. Too much competition from other airlines and I guess they want to protect Austrian a bit...else they might be in deep .... if the war continues there...

[REMAX11]

there seems to be continue missinformation on this topic even from people inside:

1-The new contract has not been finalised yet. Vida (pilot union) has informed that is very likely that they will reach an agreement by the end of September. That means as of now: new captains are still paid 60000 euros gross plus experience. If the deal finalize the basic pay will be 78000 euros, it seems there will not provision for previous experience anymore.

2- as stated by many before, new captains did not reached 204 sectors in the whole years, some exceptions are present in Wien. Different stories for trainers.

3-Munich base is available only to ex Air Berlin, nobody else. Even people already inside Eurowings Europe (the austrian company) cannot get it.

4-some changes are happening on the Eurowings Germany side for FO. Still no progression on the German Requirement though.

5- Munich base will be transfer to Eurowings Germany.

6- Any german base will be under the Aoc of Eurowings Germany (still german knowledge applies)

7- Eurowings Europe (extremely different company from Eurowings Germany) when it comes to respecting laws and contract is worst then ryanair: they did not pay for holidays and sickess as of today, they might start with september paychecks.

[MXer]

there seems to be continue missinformation on this topic even from people inside:

1-The new contract has not been finalised yet. Vida (pilot union) has informed that is very likely that they will reach an agreement by the end of September. That means as of now: new captains are still paid 60000 euros gross plus experience. If the deal finalize the basic pay will be 78000 euros, it seems there will not provision for previous experience anymore.

2- as stated by many before, new captains did not reached 204 sectors in the whole years, some exceptions are present in Wien. Different stories for trainers.

3-Munich base is available only to ex Air Berlin, nobody else. Even people already inside Eurowings Europe (the austrian company) cannot get it.

4-some changes are happening on the Eurowings Germany side for FO. Still no progression on the German Requirement though.

5- Munich base will be transfer to Eurowings Germany.

6- Any german base will be under the Aoc of Eurowings Germany (still german knowledge applies)

7- Eurowings Europe (extremely different company from Eurowings Germany) when it comes to respecting laws and contract is worst then ryanair: they did not pay for holidays and sickess as of today, they might start with september paychecks.


ad 1.) where do you have this information from? my (and every cpt‘s) paycheck tells me base pay was 78k+prev. experience in the last two years. there NEVER was a 60k base pay for a cpt.

ad 2.) if anyone has done less then 204legs/year, then he/she did less than 17 sectors/month, which means LESS than 9 days of work/month. sounds at least like a good work-life balance:-)

ad 3.) there are at least a few people not ex-AB based in MUC. i know at least one FO transfering from VIE to MUC base.

ad 5.) that‘s an unverified story

ad 7.) from 1.1.2018 vacation and sick days were paid.
they are not gonna start from sept on but either pay the missing amount out of 2016+2017.


I guess this is one of the major issues of pprune. it is a ‚rumours‘ network. so my advice is to check the facts before applying to whatever company or get in touch with someone working there who you trust in.
anyway the only reason i‘m posting here is to share facts (i never said that i think they offer an appropriate pay for an airbus captain) for those interested.


I am not advocating that Eurowings Europe is a company to plan for a lifetime-career (are there any left btw?) but it‘s an option to get a quick-command and/or work in the city of your choice.

[Lespou]

I am not advocating that Eurowings Europe is a company to plan for a lifetime-career (are there any left btw?) but it‘s an option to get a quick-command and/or work in the city of your choice.

Hi there.
MXer, d'you know what to expect from EWE PMI based for a FO 2500h A320, 5000 total (propeller less 19.5tn 1000h PIC)? May I expect an upgrade in a reasonable time? Any information about roster/nights out of base? Thanks in advance.

[sekmeth]

Some reply to the following:


4-some changes are happening on the Eurowings Germany side for FO. Still no progression on the German Requirement though.

6- Any german base will be under the Aoc of Eurowings Germany (still german knowledge applies)

Im recently hired at EW for a german base, and Im not a native german speaker, far from actually! I have some basic german knowledge and that was enough for me to get in

[janzerer]

Hello all, it has been asked a few times but no answers yet, any inside people to share what the schedule looks like for EW/EU? Any overnights? Can you bid your preferences , etc?

[Pjag]

You will not get a german base but either:

1-pmi
2-salzburg
3-vie

...with eurowings europe.

Fo 2200/2500
cpt 3500

...net

enjoy

it’s a common misconception but you can get a German base, I am a UK citizen and requested a German bass and got Cologne. The only catch is they require you to do a 2 month language course prior to type rating as part of the German Visa requirements, but that is something they pay for and arrange.

[EDDT]

Do not mix up
1. "Eurowings Europe" EWE (PMI, VIE, SZG bases)

2. Eurowings Germany EWG (bases in Germany)
3. Germanwings (Germany, was crewed by Lufthansa crew who now return to mainline with seniority, will fade out eventually)

-different contracts and terms
-different bases
-different requirements for hours, school and German language

For EWG you have to speak conversational German afaik. If you can learn that in 2 months? Maybe.
And why would you need a visa, coming from the EU being EU citizen.

[levell]

Hi, anybody who passed last year whole screening and is waiting for the job offer or already got contract with EWEU (best anybody with Salzburg base)? I passed selection in November 2018 and still waiting after couple of emails (I was informed that training could start in the late summer). Anybody has an inside info? Thx

[EDDT]

Salzburg base is full.
No expansion planned for EWEU in 2019. First now they want to make the OPS run smoothly across all sub-firms.

[levell]

Salzburg base is full.
No expansion planned for EWEU in 2019. First now they want to make the OPS run smoothly across all sub-firms.
Thank you for the answer, do you have anything about Vienna with EWEU?

[sekmeth]

Do pay attention during these classes. I was given a 1 week course to lvl B1, and thats it. All the training is in German and the office staff also only speaks German, but after a few weeks in Germany its doable. Im also CGN based, see you soon!

[AFrotary]

I’ve also passed the selections last november and have been placed on the waiting list since.
How big are the chances that the people currently on the waiting list are given a starting date in the next couple of months? Or is it also a credible option that hiring won’t resume in the foreseable future?
I’m trying to find out if I should wait or go for other options.

And if hiring is resumed, what German bases are likely to become available for EWG and GWI?

[sekmeth]

At GWI there is a need for FOs, but atm there is not enough training capacity

[AFrotary]

At GWI there is a need for FOs, but atm there is not enough training capacity

Thanks for the update.
Do they have any idea when they will start giving starting dates again (there is very little info given by the company)?
And what is the take-home pay for a new joiner at this moment?

[Time4You]

Hello,

Would be possible to clarify how may nights overseas spend the guys from PMI?
Would be possible to know how much time to upgrade is expected in PMI?

Thanks in advance

[Shen505]

Hello,

Would be possible to clarify how may nights overseas spend the guys from PMI?
Would be possible to know how much time to upgrade is expected in PMI?

Thanks in advance


Hello, I'm interested as well. Also, if there is any news about the recruitment (i'm in the type rating waiting list since one month ca.). Any other info really appreciated! Thx :)

[sekmeth]

Not sure about the PMI ops, but for Germany, some people finished the typerating in the sim, but are waiting at hime (paid) for over 2 months to start line training as there is a gross lack of trainers.
I think the same applies for EWE

[Shen505]

Thank you for your answer, sekmeth!