Blackhawks and ospreys

[lotus1]

Just had 2 Blackhawks And 2 Ospreys over Wandsworth heading towards Windsor looks like practice run for Mr Trump also police ec135 flying with them

[pax britanica]

They are practising approaches into Sandhurst right now making an immense amount of noise. Not seen an Osprey before they are big and indescribably noisy (shades of Fairey rotatedynes at LHR when i was ten. Also a Brit Army Lynx and A white topped Marine One Sikorski .. So it looks like at least some of DTs vist will be hosted there
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Alosng with practicing for farnborough next week we are in for a busy few days in Camberley.
And while I am here any idea why on each of the past three evenings various light singles flying southwards drifting circles stating over Camberley and moving a little south on each orbit. One caravan, red and white, a blue and white smaller Cessna and what looked like a Piper Cub . Not normal light aircraft behaviour over here

[Gordon17]

I'm in Southgate (North London) and about 1 hour ago we had 3 Ospreys, then 2 more about 10 minutes later, though of course it could have been 2 of the first 3 coming past again. As you say, very noisy.

[SpringHeeledJack]

I saw 3 V-22's, 2 Blackhawks, 2 Police escort EC135's. The 3 V-22's were bringing up the rear at a good pace when I saw them. I only bothered to look outside when the radio station I was listening to mentioned people in Tufnell Park rushing outside to see 'Black aircraft buzzing their homes' and panicking......

[lotus1]

I felt sorry for the police ec135 trying to catch up with them.I wonder if the Ospreys have come off the carrier which is going to be anchored of the Solent but saying that it was a great sight to see them .

[chevvron]

They are practising approaches into Sandhurst right now making an immense amount of noise. Not seen an Osprey before they are big and indescribably noisy (shades of Fairey rotatedynes at LHR when i was ten. Also a Brit Army Lynx and A white topped Marine One Sikorski .
It was my understanding the AAC have 'retired' all their Lynxs'; the new 'Wildcat' is a similar shape however.

[lotus1]

Just seen on YouTube good video yesterday of Ospreys arriving a Northolt with a herc and globemaster .The globemaster had the Blackhawks on board

[treadigraph]

Think there were at least three C-17s in at Northolt over the weekend.

[pax britanica]

Chevron
You are no doubt right about the Brit element as I am not up to date much on helos . Looked like a Lynx but had a sort of small ball turret type affair on the nose.

Sandhurst to Windsor is but a couple of minutes by air and much much more secure so a meeting there before or after a visit to Liz would work well or its convenient place to park stuff while the Pres is at Windsor Castle . Is the Osprey the worlds most unstealthy flying machine
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[SpringHeeledJack]

Osprey helicopters fly over Regent's Park in London ahead of Trump three-day visit | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5934249/Osprey-helicopters-fly-Regents-Park-London-ahead-Trump-three-day-visit.html)

[pax britanica]

war zone sound track in Camberley today- more Marine and brit Army Helis -no Ospreys though, along with fast jets practicing at Farnborough down the road and the regualr sound of small arms fire from the RMA , Anyone stepping of a train would wonder what they were getting into.

The Apaches are unbelievably noisy and can be heard coming miles away -I wonder if this does sometimes limit their usefulness as they are about as stealthy as a VC10 but they are mean looking birds thats for sure-i certainly wouldnt want to be on the ground with a pair of them looking for you -very deadly

[chevvron]

I saw 2 Apaches eastbound on H3 about 8pm (obviously going to London for 'balloon hunting') and there were the usual Chinooks backwards and forwards between 11pm and 12.30am

[KelvinD]

Some of those Chinooks were flying directly above my house at around midnight. They can rattle windows and doors!

[treadigraph]

Pair of Apaches just flew NE over Purley at a few hundred feet... lower than the civvy helicopter traffic which is usually around 900'.

[treadigraph]

Watching ADSB instead of decorating, quite a lot of IAT traffic in transit - Austrian AF C-130K crossing the Channel, didn't know they had them, does the K suffix make it an ex RAF aircraft?

[chevvron]

Watching ADSB instead of decorating, quite a lot of IAT traffic in transit - Austrian AF C-130K crossing the Channel, didn't know they had them, does the K suffix make it an ex RAF aircraft?
I heard that 10 RAF short fuselage models were sold off as surplus (now that they have Atlas) so it may be one of those; another is being sold to the US Navy for the Blue Angels support aircraft.

[kenparry]

Yes, the Austrians bought some ex-RAF C-130K many years ago. They were refurbished by Marshalls at Cambridge before delivery. According to Wikipedia, 3 bought, 2 remain in service.

[Wycombe]

The one going to The Blue Angels is a J of course.

[treadigraph]

Thanks Ken! While I was out walking this afternoon I could see another one in the Norfolk area on ADSB!

[gunning]

V-22, EC-135 probably, & 2 Blackhawks just seen flying over Shepperton (near Heathrow and Windsor) so probably heading for Sandhurst now

[pax britanica]

I went out to walk my dog this morning and found I had been teleported to Wales as all the police around were called Heddlu.on every junction, every entrance to the RMA-backed up with a lot of fire power of the blue and cammo kind there

Lots of helicopter activity and just a few minutes ago around 0835 both Blackhawks with the White Top (do both use the 'marine one ' c/s?' plus Ospreys Apaches and assorted cop choppers appeared . The Blackhawks flew right over my house but then the RMA gates are only 200yds or so from my front door . My dog barked more at the second one and is a sensitive hound so my money is he was on that one.

I dont know how he will get to Windsor - the helicopter circus or armoured limo. the whole trip could be done on MoD and Crown land I think, or its a very short road trip-appropriately enough passing Broadmoor on the way..

I cannot image what it has cost us to entertain someone who probably dislikes us more than Putin does., having seen a presidential visit and its planning at very close quarters in the past it seems to get bigger and more OTT with each incumbent..

With practice for Farnborough going on at the southern edge of Camberley is been quite a week for those with an aviation interest

[3rd_ear]

Ospreys for breakfast, lunch and tea in N5. They seem to like to orbit round the Emirates; 3 of them 10x on Wednesday lunch, same about 16x last night around 7pm, unknown n umber 7x this morning around 8 a.m. They make the bone-china rattle and I rather wish they'd stop. Wasn't there a bloke in West Germany decades ago who pinged low-flying F-104 Starfighters with a home made trebuchet or something. We need him.

[HEATHROW DIRECTOR]

The Prez landed at Stansted but not sure of his movements thereafter.

[chevvron]

I went out to walk my dog this morning and found I had been teleported to Wales as all the police around were called Heddlu.on every junction, every entrance to the RMA-backed up with a lot of fire power of the blue and cammo kind there

Lots of helicopter activity and just a few minutes ago around 0835 both Blackhawks with the White Top (do both use the 'marine one ' c/s?' plus Ospreys Apaches and assorted cop choppers appeared . The Blackhawks flew right over my house but then the RMA gates are only 200yds or so from my front door . My dog barked more at the second one and is a sensitive hound so my money is he was on that one.

I dont know how he will get to Windsor - the helicopter circus or armoured limo. the whole trip could be done on MoD and Crown land I think, or its a very short road trip-appropriately enough passing Broadmoor on the way..

I cannot image what it has cost us to entertain someone who probably dislikes us more than Putin does., having seen a presidential visit and its planning at very close quarters in the past it seems to get bigger and more OTT with each incumbent..

With practice for Farnborough going on at the southern edge of Camberley is been quite a week for those with an aviation interest
He's got lunch at Chequers before tea at Windsor.
www.blackbusheairport.co.uk/friday-13th-july-restrictions

[pax britanica]

I know it is different technology looking at the same problem but the Ospreys remind me so much of the Rotodyne I saw as a kid at LHR -not that different with the stumpy wings and multiple vertical stabs and lots and lots of noise .

I dont not know if the Ospreys can doa stright vertical landing or take off , landing wise they seem to follow the normal slow glide slope approach that big Helos use and I assume they can doa vertical take off because I dont think there is enough room in the RMA grounds for any kind of rolling take off . Interesting looking machines and bigger , certainly wider. than i thought from just seeing pics .

[chevvron]

I know it is different technology looking at the same problem but the Ospreys remind me so much of the Rotodyne I saw as a kid at LHR -not that different with the stumpy wings and multiple vertical stabs and lots and lots of noise .

I dont not know if the Ospreys can doa stright vertical landing or take off , landing wise they seem to follow the normal slow glide slope approach that big Helos use and I assume they can doa vertical take off because I dont think there is enough room in the RMA grounds for any kind of rolling take off . Interesting looking machines and bigger , certainly wider. than i thought from just seeing pics .
When Derek Johnson, owner of 3 Counties Aero Club at Blackbushe, took a C150 into Sandhurst years ago, he landed on the parade ground in front of the main building; it's about 250m long.
And yes, Ospreys can VTOL depending on load.Well they used to in Farnborough displays anyway as did their predecessor the XV15..

[pax britanica]

Having gone from never having seen one to hearing too many i got rather intrigued by the Osprey which i recall ahd avery long development and pre service period.

The main thing that comes to my mind ,is that what on earth do you do if an engine fails in helo mode . Suddenly no lift at all on one side but loads on the other and massively asymmetric. I know it has big vertical stabs and rudders but how much use are they ate say 60knots and 300 ft with no airflow or propwash over the rudders or ailerons and I am not sure if auto rotation would be very practical. To my simple mind it looks like engine failure at low speed in help mode and you are dead..
Any ideas?


And thanks to earlier poster for answering my question about full VTOL capability

[wiedehopf]

Autorotation like any other helicopter would me my assumption. I guess they either do it manually or have some automatics so the power output of both engines is the same.

[DaveReidUK]

The main thing that comes to my mind ,is that what on earth do you do if an engine fails in helo mode . Suddenly no lift at all on one side but loads on the other and massively asymmetric. I know it has big vertical stabs and rudders but how much use are they ate say 60knots and 300 ft with no airflow or propwash over the rudders or ailerons and I am not sure if auto rotation would be very practical. To my simple mind it looks like engine failure at low speed in help mode and you are dead..
Any ideas?

Both engines power both rotors.

Not really much different from, say, a Chinook.

[pax britanica]

Dave reid

For the umpteenth time thank you for coming up with answers to my puzzlement..

Of course having one engine able to run both rotors /props whatevr they are called on an Osprey.. i thought there had to be a solution otherwise it would surely be completley uncontrollable with a huge asymmetric force problem and no airspeed over the control surfaces to balance it.
Many thnaks once again , and to chevron for the answer to can they do VTOL