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chopper2004
9th Jul 2018, 08:59
NZ goverment going to purchase 4 x Boeing P-8 Poseidon to replace their legacy P-3K fleet,

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/new-zealand-buy-four-p-8a-poseidon-maritime-patrol-aircraft

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1829/42576338504_760d0e1346_h.jpg

cheers
Buster Hyman
9th Jul 2018, 09:23
So good it gets 2 threads!!!
Coochycool
9th Jul 2018, 09:40
And a nice little exchange posting for the Lossie boys n girls in the offing!

But is 4 enough to police all those errant Asian fishing boats?
Davef68
9th Jul 2018, 10:43
Canada next?
Whenurhappy
9th Jul 2018, 17:07
Canada next?

Canadian fishing boats? Jeez, whoever next?
TBM-Legend
10th Jul 2018, 12:42
Fincastle will be interesting again!
reynoldsno1
11th Jul 2018, 01:57
It'll be interesting to see how this beast will operate out of somewhere like Bonriki ... or not as the case may be.
TBM-Legend
11th Jul 2018, 04:06
It'll be interesting to see how this beast will operate out of somewhere like Bonriki ... or not as the case may be.

A320's and B737-300's do OK at Tarawa.
Heathrow Harry
11th Jul 2018, 12:37
We flew in there 35 years ago in a 737 - no sweat (until they opened the doors...)
mgahan
12th Jul 2018, 10:15
Operations out of Bonriki or Cassidy will not be an issue, day or night.

MJG
Somewhat of an authority on those airports at present.
Yellow Sun
13th Jul 2018, 14:46
Fincastle will be interesting again!

I very much doubt that there will be the resources or funds to support Aird Whyte\Fincastle.

YS
Traffic_Is_Er_Was
14th Jul 2018, 00:40
Other tasks the Orions have undertaken recently have included participation in international operations to counter piracy and illicit smuggling off the Horn of Africa, surveillance of the volcano in Vanuatu, assessing damage from Cyclones Winston and Gita in the Pacific, surveillance of critical infrastructure after the Kaikoura earthquake, and fisheries monitoring
However, now we will have only 4 aircraft, one of these will have to go. Looks like we can't check on the wee fushies.
tartare
14th Jul 2018, 04:41
Just came back from Nu Zuld.
Sister tells me the un-informed bleating has started already about spending all this money on aircraft that can be `weaponised.'
And a P-3 couldn't be???
FFS.
One of the main things they'll be doing is making sure sneaky foreign fishing boats don't try and pillage one of the world's largest EEZs!
Surely even a lentil munching greenie can't object to that?!
Bunch of whingers.
Need a Mark 54 right up their jacksies they do...
FlightlessParrot
14th Jul 2018, 05:30
Just came back from Nu Zuld.
Sister tells me the un-informed bleating has started already about spending all this money on aircraft that can be `weaponised.'
And a P-3 couldn't be???
FFS.
One of the main things they'll be doing is making sure sneaky foreign fishing boats don't try and pillage one of the world's largest EEZs!
Surely even a lentil munching greenie can't object to that?!
Bunch of whingers.
Need a Mark 54 right up their jacksies they do...

I've got a few friends of the lentil-munching persuasion, and I haven't heard any complaints about this. Wellington, was it? They do go on about stuff there.
TBM-Legend
14th Jul 2018, 22:47
I think Australia should invade NZ and use it as a penal colony given the number of K1W1's in the slammer here....
megan
15th Jul 2018, 02:36
I think Australia should invade NZHere, hang on a bit TBM, it used to be part of New South Wales until we managed to get rid of them in 1841. :=
tartare
15th Jul 2018, 02:48
I've got a few friends of the lentil-munching persuasion, and I haven't heard any complaints about this. Wellington, was it? They do go on about stuff there.
No - ChCh.
Travelled down to Southland also.
A few lentil munchers down there, but also a reassuring number of sensible people too.
And a whole lot of cold, green, windy dark ocean - particularly when standing on Bluff Hill!
Lotsa Patagonian toothfish, Orange Roughy, whales and other species being taken by unscrupulous fvckers out there.
Had a read of the P-8 specs - it can pack quite a punch if needed.
I particularly like the wing kits that are being developed for torpedos - allowing them to be dropped and fly like cruise missiles from up nice and high and a long way away.
Bit more of a deterrent than a round or two across the bows from an A4K. ;)
Oi - TBM - check this out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=OW0PsPmMG3c
FlightlessParrot
15th Jul 2018, 03:10
No - ChCh.

I particularly like the wing kits that are being developed for torpedos - allowing them to be dropped and fly like cruise missiles from up nice and high and a long way away.
Bit more of a deterrent than a round or two across the bows from an A4K. ;)


I've got no problems with weapons on P-8s, but the trouble with sinking a boat fishing illegally is that there would be a mountain of paperwork, and there's a good chance that the majority of the crew are working in conditions close to serfdom. Perhaps more practical would be to arm the Patagonian toothfish--they sound already quite BAMF.
flyinkiwi
15th Jul 2018, 23:35
I think Australia should invade NZ and use it as a penal colony given the number of K1W1's in the slammer here....

You mean like this? :p

https://youtu.be/9y-yT7o6y6k
TBM-Legend
16th Jul 2018, 03:16
Very good!
tartare
16th Jul 2018, 04:36
Bleating starting to reach a crescendo.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12089992 (https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12089992)

The usual parade of pseudo-experts.The more I read about it - the more the P-8 sounds like the perfect aircraft for the RNZAF.
Powerful sensor suite, extended range, and the ability to arm up to counter advanced maritime surface and sub-surface threats of all kinds - only if needed.
Inter-operability with RAAF Tritons if needed, when they arrive.

EDIT - think I fixed the link.
You should see a summary of dissenting views over the last week.

EDIT - nope - I can't get that link to work...
Heathrow Harry
16th Jul 2018, 07:41
link doesn't work.. but what lunatic would buy an MPA that couldn't be armed............... the same people who'd bleat about putting "our guys" in harms way I guess
flyinkiwi
16th Jul 2018, 21:04
I concur with tartare, NZ has a massive EEZ and this purchase proves it is at the very least serious about patrolling it. As for the bleating, don't waste your time or bandwidth reading it, I took the time so you don't have to and there's nothing worth reading. Just a bunch of ignorant armchair "defense experts" regurgitating the same BS every time the Govt tries to buy anything for the military. By way of comparison one roading project in Auckland (https://www.nzta.govt.nz/projects/the-western-ring-route/) will cost more than the P-8A buy, and that's just one (albeit the most expensive) of 130 projects the NZTA is administering.
ion_berkley
17th Jul 2018, 07:20
Here you go Tartare - good link:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?objectid=12089992
Davef68
17th Jul 2018, 11:24
Here you go Tartare - good link:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?objectid=12089992

Armstrong suggests the new Government has essentially done a U-turn on the consensus that Helen Clark forged, to shift the military out of combat roles:

You wonder about a military without a combat role.
megan
18th Jul 2018, 01:19
You wonder about a military without a combat role The leftist view is that the military is there to help in times of floods, fire etc. In Oz we had a Labor gov spokesperson using precisely that reason as justification for our purchase of Chinooks, to drop hay to stranded livestock being cited.
Heathrow Harry
18th Jul 2018, 08:14
The leftist view is that the military is there to help in times of floods, fire etc. In Oz we had a Labor gov spokesperson using precisely that reason as justification for our purchase of Chinooks, to drop hay to stranded livestock being cited.
more farmers votes than military ones...