(Hons)

[57mm]

Why do senior commanders deem it necessary to include (Hons) after their degree? What possible relevance does this have? And why do some even add (Cantab) or (Oxon) as well? I think we should be told, after all, I haven't seen any BA (Huddersfield), for example.....

[Pontius Navigator]

Because that is the full honorific. And Huddersfield tells a whole different story. 😈

[Melchett01]

Good question, Oxford’s a complete dump! Not so sure about Huddersfield, but Hull maybe.

In all seriousness a couple of semi-sensible suggestions:

The (Hons) thing is potentially to differentiate between those who didn’t actually make the standard for an Honours degree (takes some doing!) or potentially because they weren’t enrolled on an Hons course to start with. I suspect is has less relevance here than somewhere like the US where graduating ‘with Honours’ is actually a big thing not everyone achieves.

The Oxon, Cantab thing is either sheer pretentiousness or alternatively if seen as MA (Oxon) reflects the fact that Oxford and Cambridge used to upgrade their Bachelor qualifications to Masters Level a number of years after graduating, without you having to do any extra work compared to a proper postgrad Masters qualification achieved after an extra year on a specific academic programme. I’ve always taken MA (Oxon) to be more honorific.

However, a senior Commander with just a standard MA suggests someone who skipped university and ended up getting posted to staff college and got an MA for being the ‘right sort’ rather than academically inclined (as suggested by an old Boss in that very position)

Melchett BSc(Hons) MSc (not Oxon, Cantab, or Dunelm!),

[PDR1]

An Honours Degree is a higher qualification than a Pass degree involving a longer period of study and a higher achievement standard, so the general practice for post-nominals (not just "senior military commanders") is to include "BSc(hons)" where it's been earned. It's not really any different to using "MSc" rather than "BSc" when you have a masters degree (which involves a different kind of study, a minimum original research content and a higher academic attainment) compared to a bachelors degree. The genera; convention is also that you only include one degree (the highest or most recent depending on preference) in your post-nominals, so my BSc(hons) has given way to my MSc. You do sometimes see "MSc(dist)", but that's just pretentious wankage with no official status in which people are trying to emphasise that they achieved a distinction grade in their masters. I don't feel the need, probably because my distinction didn't come as a surprise...(;))

Graduates from Oxford, Cambridge, Exeter and Durham have degrees with the latinised style of their name incorporated into the Degree title in accordance with their charters because they are the oldest four universities in the country. Why this stopped at four is not clear, except that they were the *only* universities for quite a long time. This you get MA(Oxon), MA(Cantab), MSc(Exon) or MSc(Dunelm) respectively.

The charters of later universities do not include this provision.

Well you did ask...

PDR MSc(not cantab, oxon, exon or dunelm) C.Eng MIET

[cargosales]

Why do senior commanders deem it necessary to include (Hons) after their degree? What possible relevance does this have? And why do some even add (Cantab) or (Oxon) as well? I think we should be told, after all, I haven't seen any BA (Huddersfield), for example.....

The 'Hons' bit is part of the degree title and to show what you achieved. Either one did the extra modules to get an Honours Degree or one didn't and 'only' receives an ordinary degree but I agree that adding Cantab or Oxon or whatever is simply showing off.

CS
BA (Hons) Govt, Somewhere unimportant

[cargosales]

Because that is the full honorific. And Huddersfield tells a whole different story. 😈

Could you explain please?

[PDR1]

To quote Tom Holt: "That sounds like one of those famous oxymorons like 'Military Intelligence' or 'the University of Hull'."

ie I suggest it was a bit of good-natured banter.

PDR

[cargosales]

To quote Tom Holt: "That sounds like one of those famous oxymorons like 'Military Intelligence' or 'the University of Hull'."

ie I suggest it was a bit of good-natured banter.

PDR

It might have been intended thus but IMNSHO not terribly funny. Especially as SWMBO has just worked her rocks off to get her Masters.. at Hudds.

[rolling20]

Let’s face facts chaps. When most of us on here went to uni, around 2% of the population achieved that status. These days, with degrees in Camera Studies, Trampolining, Grass Cutting and Nasal Hair Trimming, every bod can go. Most of them are worth nothing at all, although the deluded fools taking them seem to think they are the gateway to riches. I got (Hons), I cant remember what for, but back then it meant something and people could tell the wheat from the chaff, unlike now.

[PDR1]

I'm sure no insult was intended, but it is true that a degree from oxbridge is a course which is harder to get onto and much harder to graduate with than one from most other universities in the UK.

But on the other hand "MA(cantab)" is actually a warning that the holder hasn't done a proper Masters, but merely remained alive fro two years and paid an additional fee sence graduating with a BA(cantab).

PDR

[fantom]

It might have been intended thus but IMNSHO not terribly funny. Especially as SWMBO has just worked her rocks off to get her Masters.. at Hudds.

She has got rocks?

[Genghis the Engineer]

Harder to get onto, but I have never seen anything that suggests the courses at Oxbridge are actually tougher than those at a load of other high end universities. I've certainly met very few engineering graduates from either university who were as good as most Russell Group graduates in the same subjects.

I do recall the fun some years back when Oxford had played fast and loose so much with the syllabus of their engineering degrees that the Engineering Council removed them the list of accredited courses for the award of Chartered Engineer. That was entertaining to watch from the sidelines. Some of us went to university to study a subject (in my case, fairly obviously, engineering) rather than go to the "right" university!

Non honours courses are fairly common outside the UK just not here. Ireland commonly awards "plain" BEng or BSc degrees, with Honours being another year - Australia as well I believe. The differences tend to be particularly of the more advanced topics and dissertation that prove the graduate's ability to work independently.

G

CEng BEng(Hons) PhD

[MPN11]

To my annoyance, they didn’t introduce the Bracknell MA until after I’d done the ASC. I did wonder whether I could ask to do the additional module retrospectively, but decided ICBA.

MPN11, O-Levels [Oxon]

[Melchett01]

Would anyone really want to put Dunelm after their name these days when 99% of the population know Dunelm as a value soft furnishings chain rather than an ancient educational institution?

[charliegolf]

Harder to get onto, but I have never seen anything that suggests the courses at Oxbridge are actually tougher than those at a load of other high end universities.

G

CEng BEng(Hons) PhD

Such a difference, if evident, would also be a worrying commentary on standardisation. A first degree, hons or not, is a Level 6 qual. All degrees should reflect that.

CG

[BEagle]

Back in 'aerocrat' :yuk: times, the RAF didn't really care what degree you were reading. We were encouraged to bail out of Towers to seek university entry. Which seemed like an excellent idea at the time when one was 'enjoying' the bull$hit of 'crowing' and living in the South Brick Lines...

More interest in Chipmunking than Aero Eng at QMC (which seemed to have very little to do with aircraft - just hard sums and taking down copious notes from professors who were useless teachers) meant that I had to repeat a year, but this had the benefit of coinciding with a point in history when the overwhelming majority of graduates from the JP course were streamed Fast Jet, rather than just the top 2 or 3 from a course of about a dozen. Otherwise I'm sure I would never have had the fun of flying the Gnat and Hunter!

BEagle BSc(Eng) (Lon) (just scraped a pass!)

[dook]

I can put three letters and a star after my name, but never have and never will.

It reflects something professional and betters an Hons in underwater basket weaving.

[Airbubba]

If I want to impress someone with my academic record, I truthfully tell them that I was in the top 99 percent of my class.

Fortunately, most people can't figure out that this just means that I wasn't in the bottom one percent. :D

[Union Jack]

If I want to impress someone with my academic record, I truthfully tell them that I was in the top 99 percent of my class.

Fortunately, most people can't figure out that this just means that I wasn't in the bottom one percent. :D
Which is about on par with me telling people that, on, average my brother my sister and I have two degrees each, but omitting to mention that they each got three. However, I do occasionally tell Americans that I went to Dartmouth, and they seem quite impressed that I attended an Ivy League school....

I can put three letters and a star after my name, but never have and never will.

It reflects something professional and betters an Hons in underwater basket weaving.

Which inevitably reminds me of the young officer who proudly announced that he had a degree in marine biology and was promptly put in charge of underwater hull cleaning!

Jack
BA (Hons)(Failed) in Applied Psychology at the University of HK**

** No, not Hong Kong - the University of Hard Knocks

[Herod]

What was the name of that dog in "The Perishers"? Friend of Boot. "BA, Calcutta (failed)"

[MPN11]

Which is about on par with me telling people that, on, average my brother my sister and I have two degrees each, but omitting to mention that they each got three. However, I do occasionally tell Americans that I went to Dartmouth, and they seem quite impressed that I attended an Ivy League school
Oh, I must try floating that boat! ;)

[Bob Viking]

I think that if you get annoyed by someone putting Cantab or Oxon after their name it says more about you than them. Good luck to them I say. I hope one or all of my kids will one day get to do the same. If they don’t I’ll still be just as proud.

FWIW, I have a very average degree (with Hons) from a very average educational institution.

Why live life being negative? It doesn’t make you any happier to disparage others.

BV

[Pontius Navigator]

And regarding Hull, which my daughter didn't go to, they were the moderator for my daughter's modern history degree and a dissertation on air policing in the inter-war years.

[Union Jack]

Oh, I must try floating that boat! ;)
When you do, don't forget to to tell the Cousins that you live in *Old* Jersey!

Jack

[esa-aardvark]

Ghengis...
I was a Chartered Engineer once (not deserved), gave it up when I retired, fees too high for me.
My BSC was 'ordinary' (girl friend), my MSC the best of it's year according to Prof "L".
Nothing matters once you are established in your career.
Just my opinion, of course.

[CoodaShooda]

My daughter's Hons degree in Landscape Architecture from University of NSW was awarded on the basis of her overall scores achieved throughout the course. Not as an additional course component. She now runs an online business in an unrelated field.

My wife's degree is in Teacher Librarianship. She she is now an executive in an unrelated field.

My father's degree is in Theology. Yet he worked in an unrelated field for most of his career.

My sister has a Law degree but works in an unrelated field.

My niece has a Law/Accounting double degree (with Hons) and works in sports administration.

One son has a degree in Business. He flies FJ's for a living.

The other son left school after year 10 to do an apprenticeship. He's on track to be the family's first tycoon, in a field unrelated to the apprenticeship.

It it would seem, as a family, we have difficulty selecting the appropriate courses to start with.

[SirToppamHat]

There are so many slight variations that they are almost impossible to keep a track of. When I did my first degree it was at a college (formerly RAF Padgate), which was overseen by the University of Manchester. All the BA degrees were Ordinary because they all entailed joint studies and the University of Manchester (more correctly titled the Victoria University of Manchester) would not issue Hons to joint studies. As such, my degree was issued as a pure BA without any possibility of Honours. It was all a bit odd at a time when many Higher Ed establishments were offering Joint Honours degrees.

Having completed the degree I applied to undertake an MSc in one of the subjects and was accepted subject to achieving the appropriate grade - a Distinction. This was equivalent, they felt, to a 2:1 or better in an Hons degree. I have to say that I didn't ever feel that others on the MSc, who had come from 'proper' universities had enjoyed a better standard of preparation than I had.

There are people starting to come through the system now with MSci degrees but no Bachelor credentials - these are 4-yr courses where the end result is an MSc, but by skipping the BSc bit, it allows the courses to be funded (by loan) for the full period; the extra 'i' is the tell-tale.

Having been in the mob now for 29 years, there are still times when I fall back on things I learned (especially stats!) and I do use the post nominals on business cards and the like. In my view it's the correct thing to do.

Incidentally, I still hold the view that the post noms act as a form of warning to others of how much professional knowledge can be expected as from a particular JO. As a very new flt lt 'Green Shielder', the fg offs around me were often a lot more professionally experienced than me.

STH MSc BA RAF

[Tankertrashnav]

What annoys me is the fact that my 2:1 degree which I got at the advanced age of 47 in 1993, and which I was congratulated on at the time now seems to be the norm, with a fair proportion of graduates getting firsts. On our year, out of 19 of us doing Russian degrees, only one got a first, and even he had to do a viva to confirm it. Of the remainder the split between 2:1s and 2:2s was about 40/60. Universities will tell you there has been no dilution of standards, but the figures speak for themselves

Not that it matters much to me, it's many years since I signed myself

TTN, BA (Exon) ;)

I think that if you get annoyed by someone putting Cantab or Oxon after their name it says more about you than them. Good luck to them I say. I hope one or all of my kids will one day get to do the same. If they don’t I’ll still be just as proud.


Amen to that. A very proud day for us was attending our daughter's degree ceremony at the Sheldonian in Oxford, where she got her M.Litt. She quite shamelessly puts M.Litt (Oxon) after her name, with her MA and BA from Nottingham. It has impressed a few employers, even though nobody has a clue what an M.Litt is!

[Barksdale Boy]

Having led a non-academic life, I have long ceased to worry about such things and have never signed off as a degree holder; nor, to my knowledge, have my children. Indeed, in such circumstances, I can't think why anyone would.

[treadigraph]

nobody has a clue what an M.Litt is

Isn't that on omelette in New Zealand? :p

Treadders BA (Bugger All)

[Pontius Navigator]

Could you explain please?
it was the alliterative similarity to Hell, Hull and . . .

Yorkshire is fair game for banter in Lincolnshire. Apologies to Mrs CS should she have been offended. As an aside, we once congratulated a French waiter on his perfectly idiomatic English, he proudly told us he had learnt it at 'alifax.

[Pontius Navigator]

I can't think why anyone would.
We were once asked to sell our orchard to a 'developer' who wanted to reserve the right to buy a section of land at the back of 6 houses. His letter head included irrelevant alphabet soup. I replied in kind and enjoyed trumping his.

His bid failed as the 7th house was owned by Clr . . . MBE :)

[Haraka]

As one of Beags's compatriots, I took the RAF option of "any degree subject" from the Towers and realising that a medical degree was obviously out of the question, dived in to Human Biology -quite apposite as it was at Chelsea College London in the late "swinging" 60's. :) One of our number went and did "Hotel Management"(obviously with dreams of being a PMC) another ,who went on to Air Rank , later intimated that he got a First (he didn't even get a Second) .
Unusually, I subsequently found myself back in London (City University) doing a Post-Grad.year M.Phil. in Visual Perception, a.k.a. Psycho-physics ( courtesy of the RAF) which I later suspected was a device to head me off from going to another "five eyes'" Air Force, with whom I was in informal discussion.
Was my degree useful?
For personal progression in the R.A.F., at the time , in my adopted Branch: No (far from it -we were seen as "Threats" by many one rank up): "We have to stop them Gary, they are catching us up fast!" (overheard). The thus ensuing apparently anomalous 1369's being discussed among some of our ilk.
Barnwood was clueless: "Nobody tells us what you do. We don't know ". Certain Branch "Walts" , it later transpired, had gone down and given them their self-inflated versions of proceedings!. (two of whom (at least) were later "tumbled" and quietly eased out of the business)
For the purposes of the R.A.F.:
Yes (for example in the Human Factors aspects of aircraft accident investigation).*Although of course the justification for the Degree programme was to merely indicate intellectual capability.
For personal development,
Inestimable.
As a postscript, in the mid 70's I worked out an application for a special fit on a Puma which ,with a slightly bold mission, would be of great interest to some in the Int Community. After some trials, I was dispatched to Odiham and then summoned to brief the Station Commander.
;"Thank you your briefing Haraka, which is the only one I have understood and tend to believe. I have had four so far this week from officers claiming it as their own idea-and yours is by far from the most Junior."
As for the Falklands and the first Gulf War.......

[PPRuNeUser0139]

About 15 years ago, we stopped at the 13thC Masons Arms, Knowstone, when it was a fine old Devonshire country pub (it's now a Michelin-starred gastropub). Mine host (since moved on) was something of a character and he gave me his card when we left. He had some intriguing post-nominals - UAA and CRAFT.
UAA decoded as Unencumbered by Academic Achievement and CRAFT was Can't Remember A Flippin' Thing.

[Ken Scott]

When I was a UAS QFI at a certain grass airfield in Nottinghamshire the Boss wouldn't permit the inclusion of postnominals on our office door name plates because we all had them & he didn't. We all had 2 made up, with & without, we all put up the former as a farewell tribute on his last day. If he noticed he didn't say.

[Pontius Navigator]

KS, you should have awarded him a CDM and Bar

[esa-aardvark]

My niece (-in law age 24), just by having a very bright idea is now worth a million & probably much more to come.
Does have a degree.

[airpolice]

What was the name of that dog in "The Perishers"? Friend of Boot. "BA, Calcutta (failed)"

Boot was the dog, owned, after a fashion, by Wellington, who was the main character. Marlon was as thick as mince and Maise made up the rest of the core crew.

[Herod]

Agreed, airpolice, but there was a very doleful bloodhound that appeared at time, as "BA Calcutta (failed)". I believe it was a reference, in those un-PC times, to the fact that getting to university was an achievement in the sub-Continent, even if you didn't graduate.

Herod BA (hon) UoL

[BigDotStu]

But on the other hand "MA(cantab)" is actually a warning that the holder hasn't done a proper Masters, but merely remained alive fro two years and paid an additional fee sence graduating with a BA(cantab).

Actually, it depends what course they studied. If, for example, you studied Engineering Science at Oxford for four years, you were, quite rightly, entitled to be MEng(oxon) immediately on graduation, however, if you preferred to have an MA rather than MEng (a choice one was given at graduation) you could, tediously, only have BA(oxon) on graduation, and had to wait for it to be upgraded to MA(oxon) just like everyone else. So some Cambridge/Oxford MAs are the real deal. But I suspect the type of people who have the real masters degrees generally don't bother with all that pretentiousness - no one has ever cared where I went to university, and I rarely care to tell anybody :)

[Nigerian Expat Outlaw]

I think that if you get annoyed by someone putting Cantab or Oxon after their name it says more about you than them. Good luck to them I say. I hope one or all of my kids will one day get to do the same. If they don’t I’ll still be just as proud.

FWIW, I have a very average degree (with Hons) from a very average educational institution.

Why live life being negative? It doesn’t make you any happier to disparage others.

BV


Dead on.

NEO

[Tankertrashnav]

nobody has a clue what an M.Litt isIsn't that an omelette in New Zealand? https://www.pprune.org/images/smilies/tongue.gifLike it treaders :ok: Must tell the daughter that one!

[ORAC]

There are people starting to come through the system now with MSci degrees but no Bachelor credentials - these are 4-yr courses where the end result is an MSc, but by skipping the BSc bit, it allows the courses to be funded (by loan) for the full period; the extra 'i' is the tell-tale. The government now funds those going on to do a Ma/MSc as well - which caught me out.

Started my degree course at 59, which just qualified me for a student loan as the cut off age is 60. Degree duly gained. I had intended to continue on to do a Ma. The university funded 50% of the £5K for local graduates and I had an external award lined up for the rest. Then last year the government extended the student loan to cover the extra year.

Result? The university immediately put the cost of the extra year to £9K+ to match the undergraduate fees and stopped the discount - after all, why now give it? Similarity the various grants all got diverted to MPhil/Phd courses.

Never mind, I could get the new loan, right? Nope. Rather than seeing the extra year as a continuation of study the extra year is seen as a new course so the clock got reset. Since I was/am now over 60 I didn’t qualify for the loan - so no Ma course.

On the the upside I don’t pay NI so I am not repaying my student loan - and when I hit 65 next year the entire thing is written off......

[PTR 175]

Like a lot of others on this forum I was a mature student at the university that has had a bit of a knocking all be it in fun. So i feel i must support it.

Hull university was both contracted by the RAF to provide software training for some of its software teams and recognised by Black Adder as one of the best universities in the UK. Anyhow, unless you went there you would not know about the alleged exploits of Sara Green, her of Blue Peter fame in the student Union with members of a university sports team

PTR 175 B Eng (Hons) MIET

[Melchett01]

Like a lot of others on this forum I was a mature student at the university that has had a bit of a knocking all be it in fun. So i feel i must support it.

Hull university was both contracted by the RAF to provide software training for some of its software teams and recognised by Black Adder as one of the best universities in the UK. Anyhow, unless you went there you would not know about the alleged exploits of Sara Green, her of Blue Peter fame in the student Union with members of a university sports team

PTR 175 B Eng (Hons) MIET

The snooker table was't it if memory serves? Well, would have been more interesting than watching Steve Davis

[Wander00]

Have not read through whole thread, takes so long going page to page since the TSB upgradever I believe that "Hons" is an honours degree, "Hon" is not a degree one has worked for but has been awarded because one has got up the slippery pole and been a good egg (M.Litt!!??) , or not

[Davef68]

Scottish Universities are a bit different, 4 year undergraduate course for Honours, with the option to graduate at the end of 3 with an ordinary. When I was at Uni, the latter was always seen as a fall back for those who weren't quite up to Honours, or who were just fed up with academia. Interesing noting as my daughter applies that some courses are now listing that as a first option (e.g. 3 years with the option to do Honour).

Regarding Masters, Glasgow University issues MAs as undergraduate degrees with out any qualifier (Even 3 year 'ordinary' MAs!). So my wife has an MA (Hons) which confuses some!

Post niminals can be a nightmare! I know one former professor who has several first degrees, a Phd and a DSc - in some instances he quotes all of them, but usually just his DSc - and his OBE!

[radar101]

What about pre-nominals: I remember discussing with my boss, who had just achieved Eur Ing ( the European CEng) as to whether he was:

Eur Ing Gp Capt Bloggs
or
Gp Capt Eur Ing Bloggs.

Never did work that out

R101 CEng CPhys etc

[ORAC]

I got a PgDip before I did my degree. Did an MSc course but skipped doing the thesis as I was too busy at work.

[Blacksheep]

Agreed, airpolice, but there was a very doleful bloodhound that appeared at time, as "BA Calcutta (failed)". I believe it was a reference, in those un-PC times, to the fact that getting to university was an achievement in the sub-Continent, even if you didn't graduate.- Herod BA (hon) UoL The Bloodhound's name was never spelled out, he was simply called by his initials "B.H." - but always with his post-nominals.

Very interesting to discover after all these years that RAF Officers were permitted to read the Daily Mirror.

Blacksheep. BSc (Hons) I.Eng, MRAeS. :ooh:

[PTR 175]

The snooker table was't it if memory serves? Well, would have been more interesting than watching Steve Davis

Indeed it was, I believe it was the only snooker table in town to have 7 pockets ;)

[XV490]

Despite what many might think, Hull University is a 'late redbrick' and not a jumped up former 1960s polytechnic. In my day (mid-1970s), only around 12% of sixth-formers went to university, not the 50% who "go to uni" today; and those who opted for Hull back then, I'm told, had a damn good time as well as coming away with respectable - and respected - degrees. Okay, the city may have gone to the dogs, but the university is still pretty damn good.

[Genghis the Engineer]

Ghengis...
I was a Chartered Engineer once (not deserved), gave it up when I retired, fees too high for me.
My BSC was 'ordinary' (girl friend), my MSC the best of it's year according to Prof "L".
Nothing matters once you are established in your career.
Just my opinion, of course.

Depends on the career. I've done quite a lot that required those degrees, and on occasions where I did them comes up (as I was fortunate enough to be taught by a few people very much at the top of their game). Approving an MSc in aviation safety in Dubai (yep, really) my degrees mattered quite a lot. Being CEng and a member or fellow of RAeS lets you, unsupervised, sign off flight testing of aeroplanes under 2000kg these days - that, in certain jobs, really does matter.

If I'd stayed a backroom boy at Boscombe Down, running flight trials, you're quite probably right. (Who knows, I might be happier too!).

Prof. G :E

[Wander00]

Another of my posts down the pan due to the TSB upgrade. "Hons" = Honours degree. "Hon"= honorary degree. Given to good eggs ((M.Litt?) who have climbed the slippery pole. I don't have either but I did earn accountancy and HR qualifications

[Melchett01]

Another of my posts down the pan due to the TSB upgrade. "Hons" = Honours degree. "Hon"= honorary degree. Given to good eggs ((M.Litt?) who have climbed the slippery pole. I don't have either but I did earn accountancy and HR qualifications

Now honorary degrees - they do get me grumpy. It’s less they exist, more that they get doled out at the same degree ceremony as students who have put the effort in, done the course, passed the examinations. And then comes along whichever C-list of the moment the Chancellor is trying to tap up and here have a degree on the house. Oh and we’ll stick you up front and centre of the ceremony ahead of the students. And yes I crinkled about it on both times as a young 21 & 22 year old, so I can’t even blame age for this one!

[Tankertrashnav]

Given to good eggs ((M.Litt?)

Nope - an M Litt is an equivalent of an MA but whereas the latter is predominantly taught, the former is awarded on the basis of research. Not all universities offer them - Oxford does. They are normally concerned with the humanities, but in my daughter's case it was for research into methodology in statistics. They normally take 2 years, full time, but in my daughters case it was more like five, as she was also holding down a full time job at the time. She would be very annoyed if anyone confused it with an honorary degree given to her because she was a "good egg"!

[tucumseh]

XV490

those who opted for Hull back then, I'm told, had a damn good time as well as coming away with respectable - and respected - degrees.

I'd certainly agree. The chap who is widely regarded as the UK's top radar man got his PhD there. (I'm probably being unkind, as he's held very senior positions throughout the world, and still does). As did the chap who cracked Ring Laser Gyros. Both very good golfers, so had a good time as well!

[Wander00]

TTN - it was a (poor) jest - I mentioned omelette in the contexts of NZ omelette (see above) and "a good egg". I won't try home made jokes again.

[Tankertrashnav]

No offence taken old chap :ok: