Another US Start-Up Airline ?

[bafanguy]

This is ambitious but Neeleman does have a long track record with this kind of thing. Do people start airlines if they don't believe they can find pilots to fly the airplanes ?:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-18/jetblue-founder-raising-funds-for-new-u-s-airline-report-says?cmpId=yhoo.headline&yptr=yahoo

[flyboyike]

Skybus 2.0?

[bafanguy]

Skybus 2.0?

Could be, I suppose. But this guy has a history that makes him worth watching. He might be able to attract some investors.

[flyboyike]

Could be, I suppose. But this guy has a history that makes him worth watching. He might be able to attract some investors.

Oh, I don't doubt that...it's more that those investors may never see any returns...

[havick]

I wonder where he plans on getting adequate staffing from given every other airline (bar majors) are struggling to staff planes. The massive retirements haven’t even started yet.

[bafanguy]

I wonder where he plans on getting adequate staffing from given every other airline (bar majors) are struggling to staff planes. The massive retirements haven’t even started yet.



havick,

That's THE question. But people are starting airlines around the world on a pretty regular basis apparently without a concern for filling seats.

I wouldn't think Neeleman would be making this move unless he was confident of a pilot supply.

Seats WILL be filled if he actually goes ahead with the plan.

[bafanguy]

I wonder where he plans on getting adequate staffing from given every other airline (bar majors) are struggling to staff planes. The massive retirements haven’t even started yet.

Same place this outfit would get 'em ;):

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/68728-aura-eyes-us-transcon-flights-using-vip-configured-crj-700s

[bafanguy]

Nearing an airplane choice ?:

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/69000-neeleman-in-talks-for-60-a220s-for-start-up-airline-report

[bafanguy]

And an A320 start up in California, AirBahn ? Really ?

https://www.corporationwiki.com/p/31eybj/airbahn-inc

It's coming !! (https://www.corporationwiki.com/p/31eybj/airbahn-inc)

http://airbahn.com/

[ExDubai]

I wonder where he plans on getting adequate staffing from given every other airline (bar majors) are struggling to staff planes. The massive retirements haven’t even started yet.
The first outfit I'd start shopping would be Frontier. Years away from a contract, leave cancelled for the 3rd. month in a row and contract negotiations stuck at the NMDB....

[bafanguy]

The latest from Neeleman and "Moxy". I wonder what he means by this. So every possible approach hasn't already been tried ?:

"Neeleman promised 'innovative approaches' to recruiting pilots'..."


https://skift.com/2018/09/21/jetblue-founder-sees-his-startup-as-tech-company-that-happens-to-fly-planes/

[Squawk7777]

JetBlue, Alligant and even Swift are some other candidates to get pilots from.

Remember that new airline in California a couple of years ago? Was it Air California, flying E175s? Never took off...

[bafanguy]

Remember that new airline in California a couple of years ago? Was it Air California, flying E175s? Never took off...

Now that you mention it, I do have a vague recollection of a pic of someone's E-jet from some start up...can't remember details. Could it be this outfit with a different airplane ?

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/california-pacific-airlines-announces-its-inaugural-schedule-and-fares-300702881.html

[flyboyike]

Now that you mention it, I do have a vague recollection of a pic of someone's E-jet from some start up...can't remember details. Could it be this outfit with a different airplane ?



This is at least the third version of CalPac. They previously had a single E175 painted in their colors, now I guess it's E145s. They also had a CEO who used to drink with Noah himself and was one of the original contractors on The Tower Of Babel project.

[Zaphod Beblebrox]

Marketing wise I am starting to smell the cookies they used to have on Air Midwest. Secondary cities, business class seats, if you want that, and point to point service. It's been done before but both Air Midwest and lately OneJet have failed. Neeleman is a smart guy but he doesn't have a lot of wiggle room here, and when the majors see an impact on a city pair they will drop the price, even if it means a connection. On a city-pair basis It's a minor low impact hit to their bottom line of a Major but a real heat to Moxy. .

[gambitpro]

Neeleman may end up having a decent market for his product. If a passenger is heading from somewhere in Florida to his home near, say, Danbury, CT - would he pick JFK, LGA, EWR or Hartford for his destination? I personally would avoid the NYC area unless I was actually headed there. So a non-stop flight into Hartford would be my pick, if available.

[gambitpro]

With the fuel savings of the A220/C Series, I think Neeleman could give the more established carriers a good run for their money. Plus it doesn't look like he's planning to start small - the order is for 60 of the larger version. Unless the majors start breaking their hub and spoke model and begin offering non-stop flights between smaller cities, I'm not sure how well they can compete if a passenger values time and does not want to take a connecting flight.

[bafanguy]

I'm still intrigued by Neeleman's claim he'll use 'innovative approaches' to recruiting pilots.

[bafanguy]

Looks like California Pacific has actually launched:

https://airwaysmag.com/airlines/california-pacific-airlines-inaugural/

Still waiting for more info on Moxy and their "innovative approaches" to pilot recruiting. :E

[USERNAME_]

And an A320 start up in California, AirBahn ? Really ?

https://www.corporationwiki.com/p/31eybj/airbahn-inc

It's coming !! (https://www.corporationwiki.com/p/31eybj/airbahn-inc)

Airbahn: New Website Coming Soon!! (http://airbahn.com/)


Pakistan's AirBlue opening up a U.S. airline? :confused:

[flyboyike]

Looks like California Pacific has actually launched:

Still waiting for more info on Moxy and their "innovative approaches" to pilot recruiting. :E


Can't believe Vallas is still alive.

[bafanguy]

Moxy presses ahead:

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/72614-neelemans-new-us-start-up-to-focus-on-unserved-routes

[havick]

Moxy presses ahead:

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/72614-neelemans-new-us-start-up-to-focus-on-unserved-routes

Starting to smell of a Norwegian hybrid staffing method with Brazil. Time will tell

[bafanguy]

Starting to smell of a Norwegian hybrid staffing method with Brazil. Time will tell

It'll be "innovative" !!! :ok:

[bafanguy]

An interview with Neeleman re Moxy. Notice what worries him the most about the startup. Not getting pilots but getting airplanes. I guess he's confident about his "innovative" approach to recruiting pilots:

"So what worries you the most?
Getting the planes."

https://www.cntraveler.com/story/jetblue-founder-david-neeleman-on-new-airline

[flensr]

Innovative:

1. We'll hire marginally qualified pilots and pay them only a tiny bit less than the lowest wage paid to pilots who are actually well qualified.
2. We'll hire qualified pilots away from other under-paying airlines by offering a truly competitive market-value wage.

Place your bets!

[flyboyike]

Innovative:

1. We'll hire marginally qualified pilots and pay them only a tiny bit less than the lowest wage paid to pilots who are actually well qualified.
2. We'll hire qualified pilots away from other under-paying airlines by offering a truly competitive market-value wage.

Place your bets!

It's going to be interesting. JetBlue placing an order for the CS...errr...A220 to fly in house is a good sign, indicating that they're not interested in starting a "regional subsidiary". Moxy sounds a bit like Independence Air back in the day, hopefully better run, though.

[ironbutt57]

soon enough the pendulum will swing, and the airlines will begin their traditional down swing "right-sizing", and this airline will be in the right position to pick up the small pieces...Neelman is no fool...

[ironbutt57]

Starting to smell of a Norwegian hybrid staffing method with Brazil. Time will tell

exactly...

[bafanguy]

Pakistan's AirBlue opening up a U.S. airline? :confused:

Any day now !! The excitement builds ;) :

Airbahn: New Website Coming Soon!! (http://airbahn.com/)

https://newsroom.aviator.aero/airbahn-a-new-us-carrier-planned-for-2019/

[bafanguy]

I suppose this doesn't sound exactly like a "US" start up but they are starting a US base. What airline are they talking about...Norwegian ? I can't keep track of what they're doing:

“First 2 Resource is seeking EASA Licensed B737 Captains & First Officers for our newly established European Client for their Base in Miami for a 6month renewable contract.”


https://www.latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/view/id/14244.html

[SeaArrrrrrJay]

It's going to be interesting. JetBlue placing an order for the CS...errr...A220 to fly in house is a good sign, indicating that they're not interested in starting a "regional subsidiary".

The new JetBlue pilot CBA prohibits regional subsidiaries.

As for Moxy recruiting, they'll probably offer something like stock options to make up for the lower pay.

[bafanguy]

What's this about ? No mention of citizenship or pertinent details:

https://www.latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/view/id/1782.html

[ShamrockF]

What's this about ? No mention of citizenship or pertinent details:

https://www.latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/view/id/1782.html

Looks like a European charter from a US/Canadian operator. Some US/Canadian airlines provide up to 7 months operations for summer months (e.g. Sunwing / Sun Country). The 8th month would probably be one to get the crew trained up.

[bafanguy]

Looks like a European charter from a US/Canadian operator.

I don't understand why they just don't say who the airline is. What's the big secret ?

Wouldn't an existing operator just use their existing pilot group for a series of seasonal charters ?

Wouldn't a Canadian operator be looking for Canadian pilots ? Unless they were going to get temporary license validations for FAA licensed pilots to fly C-registered airplanes ?

Sunwing is advertising for pilots but it appears to be the permanent variety:

"A career at Sunwing Airlines means you can be the difference by joining a dedicated and caring team that is part of North America’s largest vertically integrated travel company. Sunwing is a large airline, with a close sense of community which will make you love going to work everyday! "

https://jobs.jobvite.com/sunwing/job/oVrE9fwT

[bafanguy]

And they just keep coming. Here's the latest. While I don't think they'll have much trouble finding pilots, it's a bold move for experienced people to leave a secure gig and roll the dice on a start up. It's paid off for some over the years but smallish numbers in the Big Scheme of things. These ventures are fun to watch:

https://www.aerotime.aero/aerotime.team/22527-following-moxy-new-u-s-ulcc-in-the-making

[ShamrockF]

Wouldn't an existing operator just use their existing pilot group for a series of seasonal charters ?

That's my understanding too. Perhaps they just can't get pilots from the US to work on the European summer leases. It might be cheaper for them to get FAA qualified pilots and simply give them a European base. This could save them money on positioning and relocation allowances.

[bafanguy]

Perhaps they just can't get pilots from the US to work on the European summer leases.

The ad is intriguing but doesn't have enough info to tell what's going on. I suppose they'll find all the pilots they need but how many freelance FAA B737-800 F/Os are floating around looking for short term employment in the current US hiring environment ?

N-registered airplanes ? I assume they are.

Still like to know who the company is.

[ShamrockF]

Still like to know who the company is.

My guess is Sun Country. They've added new aircraft and have a new owner who has an eye for cutting costs. If they make this work I reckon it would be cheaper than sending MSP based crew over for 7 months.

[bafanguy]

My guess is Sun Country. They've added new aircraft and have a new owner who has an eye for cutting costs.

Could be, I guess. They are represented by ALPA but I don't know if their contract has scope restrictions that would allow something like the operation mentioned in the ad. And they only advertised for FOs so where are the captains coming from ?:

Sun Country - ALPA (http://www.alpa.org/en/about-alpa/our-pilot-groups/pilot-groups/sun-country)

[bafanguy]

Swift Air has some (seasonal ?) EU operations, IIUC. Still don't know why they'd put out an ad like that though. They do their own recruiting.

[bafanguy]

It appears the reincarnation of Midwest Express is making some noise:

https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/one-step-closer-midwest-express-airlines-launches-headquarters-at-mitchell-international-airport

[bafanguy]

This background info on Midwest Express:

https://www.biztimes.com/2018/industries/banking-finance/group-trying-to-relaunch-midwest-express-says-its-making-progress/ (https://www.biztimes.com/2018/industries/banking-finance/group-trying-to-relaunch-midwest-express-says-its-making-progress/)

[bafanguy]

Any day now !! The excitement builds ;) :

Airbahn: New Website Coming Soon!! (http://airbahn.com/)

https://newsroom.aviator.aero/airbahn-a-new-us-carrier-planned-for-2019/

Apparently Airbahn has reached the recruiting stage:


https://www.jsfirm.com/job/Pilot-Fixed+Wing/Captain/Irvine-California/jobID_539617



https://www.jsfirm.com/job/Pilot-Fixed+Wing/First+Officer/Irvine-California/jobID_539621

One airplane ?: (https://www.jsfirm.com/job/Pilot-Fixed+Wing/First+Officer/Irvine-California/jobID_539621)

http://pkaviation.com/2018/12/20/airblue-ceo-tariq-chaudhary-launching-a-new-airline/

[ATPMBA]

I'm still intrigued by Neeleman's claim he'll use 'innovative approaches' to recruiting pilots.
Perhaps he will pay their student loans.

[bafanguy]

Perhaps he will pay their student loans.

He's been quite silent on details saying only that he considers getting airplanes to be his biggest problem.

[bafanguy]

Here's another one. Hasn't this business model been tried before ?:

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/78502-californias-gulf-star-airways-to-launch-in-2h19

[bafanguy]

Sky Palace Airways ? Even Google didn't offer much info on this one. Has it died on the vine ? Did it exist previously under a different name...Sky King perhaps ?

https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_wy/2018-000827931

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/78950-floridas-sky-palace-airways-eyes-narrowbody-ops

https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-a-gray-47a70838

https://www.jsfirm.com/Sky+Palace/18026/companyprofile

[bafanguy]

Disney Airlines ? Really ? What "smaller regional airlines" ?


"The Disney Company will acquire smaller regional airlines to focus it’s operations on offering flights out of Orlando to and from major airport hubs including Detroit, Chicago, LaGuardia, and LAX."

https://justdisney.co/disney-launching-their-own-disney-airlines/

[bafanguy]

I guess reincarnation counts as start up ?:

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/76964-us-investor-to-try-to-launch-new-ulcc-based-on-xtra-airways

[Global Aviator]

Disney airlines... Now we are talking!

Hmmm E3’s in 2021?

I’m always looking for something different.....

[bafanguy]

Disney airlines... Now we are talking!

GA,

I'm almost willing to say the Disney thing is some kind of joke. The Blind Men and the Elephant are speculating Disney will buy Sun Country Airlines. Um, ok. I'll believe it when I see it. :suspect:

[alioth]

Disney does have a lot of money.

[bafanguy]

Disney does have a lot of money.

That's for sure. And Sun Country is privately owned so that might simplify a purchase:

"Sun Country Airlines is a privately held company based in the Twin Cities of Minneapolis/St. Paul, has more than 35 years of experience..."

https://www.suncountry.com/about

[bafanguy]

Well, this is interesting. The 2nd link mentions that it'll be 30 airplanes in a combination of scheduled and charter ops:

"David Neeleman has started the process of setting up another airline in the US in addition to the planned Airbus A220 operator Moxy. Neeleman is in the process of securing another air operator’s certificate (AOC) for the carrier that will operate a fleet of Embraer E1 E195s."

https://atwonline.com/airlines/neeleman-establish-another-us-airline-used-e195s?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+AtwDailyNews+%28ATW+Daily+News%29 (https://atwonline.com/airlines/neeleman-establish-another-us-airline-used-e195s?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Fee d%3A+AtwDailyNews+%28ATW+Daily+News%29)

https://theaircurrent.com/airlines/neeleman-plans-jump-on-moxy-with-outgoing-azul-e-jets/

[bafanguy]

A little more info:

"Plans call for the E2s to eventually replace all the E1s, as many as 30 of which Neeleman said he planned to start sending to the U.S. to launch a new low-fare airline next year. The new carrier would operate on a certificate separate from the AOC that Neeleman has secured for an Airbus A220 operation scheduled to launch in 2021 in the U.S., loosely known as Moxy."

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/air-transport/2019-09-12/embraer-delivers-first-e195-e2-brazils-azul

[bafanguy]

This is the first mention I've seen of Moxy and pilot supply other than a previous vague statement that it'd be "innovative". What they describe below is hardly innovative:


“One of our challenges there is an acute pilot shortage in the U.S.,” says Trey Urbahn, who’s involved with Moxy and also works closely with Neeleman at TAP as the Portuguese carrier’s chief strategy officer. He notes that new rules adopted by the Department of Transportation following the Colgan Air crash in Buffalo in 2009 require that all commercial pilots in the cockpit have a minimum 1,500 hours of flying time; previously, a co-pilot could begin with as little 250 hours. “The result is that there are fewer people entering the profession,” he says. “With an increasingly small pool, we need to have competitive pilot salaries to attract them from regionals,” where pilots typically begin their careers. Moxy is “looking at creative ways to create our own pilot pool,” Urbahn says, such as establishing an in-house training program. “You have to get people really early in their careers, when they first decide they want to be a pilot.”


https://www.cntraveler.com/story/all-of-the-details-we-have-on-david-neelemans-new-domestic-airline

[GoldenGooseGuy]

The reincarnation of Midwest Express has published a news release: "Midwest Express today revealed the Elite Airways aircraft, complete with exterior Midwest Express branding, that will service initial flight destinations to Cincinnati, OH (CVG), Omaha, NE (OMA), and Grand Rapids, MI (GRR). The plane was on display at a news briefing at Milwaukee Mitchell International Airport where travelers were treated to the legendary Midwest Express chocolate chip cookie that will be baked onboard all Midwest Express-marketed flights."

I worked for RAH during their 'too big for their shoes' acquisition of Frontier and Midwest Express, and it was distressing to see their passenger-centered company culture chipped away one chocolate chip at a time until they were literally none left. At the time, in his internal company letters, Bryan Bedford blamed his inability to turn around Midwest on the fierceness of Southwest Airline's competition at MKE (aka, Southwest was cross-subsidizing profitable hubs to lose money on $50 fares out of MKE).

In more capable hands, will there be much of a difference in the end result? I can't imagine they have a revolutionary new business plan to beat SWA...

[bafanguy]

This below is a post by a guy on APC who actually had a chat with Neeleman about the pilot side of Moxy. Not clear how it would actually work but it's a bit of info:

"A few weeks ago I got the opportunity to speak with David Neeleman in the PHX airport as we both were waiting for delayed inbound aircraft. He was great to talk with, and surprisingly open. I'll run through some highlights he was willing to share to an OAL pilot who just happened to recognize him.

* pay will be regional +20% + profit sharing
* using 195's to launch next summer ish 50% scheduled/50% charter
*possibly home basing to begin with 14/14 schedules
* a lot of seasonal routes with the A220, as the flexibility of the aircraft was the major selling point (ability to swap class configurations quickly)
* all of the reservations will be done through a virtual office
*the only thing he would say about a possible crew base was he had a an idea of a really amazing place he thought crews would love (not SLC, I asked as he mentioned some portions of the company being based there)

I'm not sure how much if any of this is new info to those of you interested, but figured I'd share."

[havick]

Regional wages + 20%, ooooffff thats going to be tough to get guys in the current market.

[bafanguy]

Regional wages + 20%, ooooffff thats going to be tough to get guys in the current market.

havick,

Yes, that bit of information creates more questions than it answers. A 14/14 schedule ? That's tough sledding even with home basing. Maybe it's ok for a B747 cargo outfit but for a fledgling start up ? I dunno. I'll just predict he gets all the pilots he needs regardless.

Fun to watch in any event.

[havick]

havick,

Yes, that bit of information creates more questions than it answers. A 14/14 schedule ? That's tough sledding even with home basing. Maybe it's ok for a B747 cargo outfit but for a fledgling start up ? I dunno. I'll just predict he gets all the pilots he needs regardless.

Fun to watch in any event.

he will get takers for sure.

I just wonder whether his budget allows for the massive training bill he is going to have due to turnover.

I think he’s serious out misjudging the pilot market and is out of touch thinking it’s the same as when he kicked off JetBlue.

[bafanguy]

he will get takers for sure.

I just wonder whether his budget allows for the massive training bill he is going to have due to turnover.

I think he’s serious out misjudging the pilot market and is out of touch thinking it’s the same as when he kicked off JetBlue.

havick,

Yep, lots of issues to be resolved. So far, I haven't seen anything about their pilot recruiting that's "innovative" as promised early on in the emergence of Moxy as a concept. Perhaps I've missed something ?

"...regional+ 20%..." ? What does that mean ? I suppose you could look at JB's 1st year pay rates on the E190 for a comparison but I don't see a start up paying even those rates.

[havick]

havick,

Yep, lots of issues to be resolved. So far, I haven't seen anything about their pilot recruiting that's "innovative" as promised early on in the emergence of Moxy as a concept. Perhaps I've missed something ?

"...regional+ 20%..." ? What does that mean ? I suppose you could look at JB's 1st year pay rates on the E190 for a comparison but I don't see a start up paying even those rates.

If you take it literally then it would be expressjet/skywest/compass/Envoy rates + 20%. So basically junk rates. I guess see how it actually pans out.

[Professional Amateur]

So what type of pilot leaves their stable current regional job or corp job to go to a start up for a 20% pay rise? It appears this factor is not costed into the pay rate.

[bafanguy]

So what type of pilot leaves thier stable current regional job or corp job to go to a start up for a 20% pay rise?

PA,

Hard to say for sure. They'd have to be willing to roll the dice on it becoming something bigger and better down the road. Risk/reward and all that.

Time will tell who shows up...probably more willing people than one would imagine based on Neeleman's track record. The younger and more footloose a person is the more risk he can take because he'd have time to recover from a failure of the experiment.

The critical group will be the captains as their experience will be needed from the start.

The recruiting ads will be interesting...

[bafanguy]

What is this ? Avatar Airlines ? 747s ? They seem to have a bunch of management people lined up for whatever that means:

https://avatarairlines.com/

[bafanguy]

Should have figured this out. I thought the concept sounded familiar...pretty entertaining but never say die:

"Nevada-based Avatar was originally incorporated as Family Airlines in 2004, and adopted its current name nearly about a decade ago."


https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/unabashed-us-start-up-avatar-revisits-ambitious-747-462457/

[The Range]

I looks very ambitious. I wonder why so many people wants to get in the airline business. It is such a ruinous business, so many fail.
If they sell well pax and cargo they may succeed.

[bafanguy]

Is Neeleman tipping his hand on the Moxy project ?

“Breeze Aviation will locate their corporate headquarters in Salt Lake, Utah. The company plans to create 369 jobs in the next five years.

Breeze Aviation plans to unveil an as-yet-unnamed low-cost carrier in the new year which will provide flyers with convenient non-stop service from secondary airports.

The company was founded by David Neeleman…”

https://www.areadevelopment.com/newsItems/12-13-2019/breeze-aviation-salt-lake-utah.shtml

[bafanguy]

World Wings Airways ? Listed as a concept airline founded in 2016 but they're now advertising for A320 F/Os. I can't tell if this is just a renamed version of an earlier concept airline...Airbahn perhaps ?:

https://www.latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/view/id/10720.html

https://worldwingsairways.com/

https://gust.com/companies/world-wings-airways

[bafanguy]

Perhaps it's not Airbahn ? Here's some bio on the guy behind it, Mike Moghrabi:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/mike-moghrabi-11707a20

[Motleycrew]

Neelman has something to prove, in a good way, not and FU way. If you want to listen to a great, "how I built this" click on his. I'm sure others have posted this many times, but I'll say it again, I wouldn't bet against him and his projects.

[bafanguy]

A few pilot-related comments from Neeleman re Breeze (Moxy). Still no specifics but rather hints without details. In post #11 in this thread, Neeleman promised "innovative approaches" to recruiting pilots. So far, he''s said nothing about pilot recruiting I find innovative.

Not sure what that last statement means: "procedures" that attract pilots ?:

I asked you last time about the biggest concern you had with launching a new airline, you said it was addressing the pilot shortage. How do you solve this with Breeze?
We are hiring pilots and we are going to create a great bunch of work, so people are going to love flying for us.

It’s always going to be a battle, but we have our own unique plans to create our own pilots as well.

There’s a lot of pilots out there that are great but need to accumulate up to 1500 hours and we are going to help them do that.
You are going to raid the regional airlines out there for pilots and American Airlines, who is getting rid of its Embraer E190s?
A lot of the regional pilots already have the type rating on the airplane, we can create attractive schedules for their quality of life which is what they care about. After you get to captain and seniority, they will be able to go to the A220s.


We have a lot of attractive procedures that we believe will attract a lot of pilots.

https://airwaysmag.com/interview/david-neeleman-breeze/

[bafanguy]

A few more details about Breeze. Still no details about what they consider competitive qualifications:


“Acknowledging the worldwide shortage of pilots, Neeleman said he had no concerns about finding enough crew for the new venture.”

"Further details can be found on the Breeze Airways recruitment microsite." [last sentence in linked article]

https://www.paddleyourownkanoo.com/2020/02/09/breeze-airways-the-airline-formally-known-as-moxy-air-is-now-accepting-applications-for-pilots-flight-attendants-and-other-staff/

[bafanguy]

I guess this is sort of a start up. Looks like they bought the XTRA Airways AOC and plan to turn it into something bigger ?:

"The company, operating as Houston Air Holdings Inc., is 'getting ready to spool up to transform this little charter airline we bought,' Andrew Levy said in an interview Wednesday."

:Levy left United Airlines Holdings Inc. (https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/UAL:US) in May 2018 to work on forming a startup airline. Three months later, he purchased XTRA Airways Inc. (https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/1586455D:US), a Florida-based charter carrier. XTRA’s parent had sold most of its fleet to Swift Air, but kept one Boeing 737-400 to retain its Part 121 commercial airline certification."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-12/former-united-cfo-raises-125-million-for-startup-u-s-airline

[zondaracer]

I guess this is sort of a start up. Looks like they bought the XTRA Airways AOC and plan to turn it into something bigger ?:

"The company, operating as Houston Air Holdings Inc., is 'getting ready to spool up to transform this little charter airline we bought,' Andrew Levy said in an interview Wednesday."

:Levy left United Airlines Holdings Inc. (https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/UAL:US) in May 2018 to work on forming a startup airline. Three months later, he purchased XTRA Airways Inc. (https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/1586455D:US), a Florida-based charter carrier. XTRA’s parent had sold most of its fleet to Swift Air, but kept one Boeing 737-400 to retain its Part 121 commercial airline certification."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-12/former-united-cfo-raises-125-million-for-startup-u-s-airline
I was deadheading on a flight just over a year ago, and the lady sitting next to me was one of the management team members that is putting this thing together. At the time, she said the plan was to get 737MAXs, but it looks like it will be 737-800s. She was one of the founders of JetBlue and long time management of Southwest. She said this new company would be the next southwest, flying point to point, using secondary airports if possible. I asked her how that was different than Moxy and Allegiant, and she said they were going to be leading edge with technology, but it looks like Moxy/Breeze says they will be leading edge with technology. So, who knows.

At least it isn’t Avatar Airlines.

[bafanguy]

Z,

Did the woman say what XTRA had been doing with that one airplane ?

[zondaracer]

Z,

Did the woman say what XTRA had been doing with that one airplane ?
They have to keep one airplane on the certificate to keep the certificate active.

[bafanguy]

They have to keep one airplane on the certificate to keep the certificate active.


Z,

Understand. So they must be flying the occasional charter rather than letting the airplane sit and deteriorate ?

[zondaracer]

Z,

Understand. So they must be flying the occasional charter rather than letting the airplane sit and deteriorate ?
They might do a charter here or there. Their website still lists contact info for charters, but their flight history shows very little flying. In the past two weeks they just did a short repositioning flight. I do know that they need to maintain a minimum management structure (Chief Pilot, DO, Head of Maintenance etc) just time keep the 121 certificate active.

[flyandski]

Avatar Airlines is back baby! The convicted felon (14mo served), Barry Michael, who also has a degree in chiropractic, claims to have signed an LoI with Boeing. I wonder if Boeing knows that??? 30x 747-8i aircraft to fly domestic US routes for $19. Even has an almost professional-looking info memo: https://avatarairlines.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/PPMREVISED111819.pdf

Need to take this numb nut down before he takes anyone's money.

[MarkerInbound]

He wants to use 747-8s, not triple Sevens. Says he can run a four engine plane cheaper on short two or three hour legs. Just try to wrap your head around that. I saw a web page where his VP of Flight Ops, who has both Classic and 400 Seven Four types and has been with him for a couple decades, was responding to questions about the operation. It was entertaining reading. The VP hasn’t got a medical for the last several years, probably because he’s certifiably crazy.

[flyandski]

He wants to use 747-8s, not triple Sevens. Says he can run a four engine plane cheaper on short two or three hour legs. Just try to wrap your head around that. I saw a web page where his VP of Flight Ops, who has both Classic and 400 Seven Four types and has been with him for a couple decades, was responding to questions about the operation. It was entertaining reading. The VP hasn’t got a medical for the last several years, probably because he’s certifiably crazy.

Sorry, my typo. 747-8i, not 777s. He claims he will own 30x by year 3 but in his IM, he has the value of aircraft assets at $580m so it would seem his LoI with Boeing is ~$19.3m each. Less than half a new Max! That’s a great deal! 🤪

[flyandski]

Sorry, my typo. 747-8i, not 777s. He claims he will own 30x by year 3 but in his IM, he has the value of aircraft assets at $580m so it would seem his LoI with Boeing is ~$19.3m each. Less than half a new Max! That’s a great deal! 🤪

Oh God, now I will have to scan this 455pg file they submitted to the US DoT: https://avatarairlines.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Avatar-Airlines-DOT-application-VER-11.13.19-COMPLETE-W-EXHIBITS.pdf

[bafanguy]

In other breaking news, Sky Palace Airways has delayed its debut:

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/86318-floridas-sky-palace-airways-launch-slips-to-late-2q20

[misterbe]

Can anyone direct me to or share Breeze Aviation Group's DoT application please?
Interested to read the document.

[flyandski]

Can anyone direct me to or share Breeze Aviation Group's DoT application please?
Interested to read the document.

🤔 can’t seem to find it either. It it public?

[bafanguy]

Can anyone direct me to or share Breeze Aviation Group's DoT application please?
Interested to read the document.


How about this ? I haven't read it because it's probably too long for my attention span:

https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=DOT-OST-2020-0019-0001

[bafanguy]

The latest on Midwest Express. Hope springs eternal ?:

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/91552-wisconsins-midwest-express-raises-1mn-ahead-of-launch

[bafanguy]

Annnnd there's another one:

They bought an airplane:
https://simpleflying.com/global-crossing-airlines-first-a320/


https://airlinegeeks.com/2020/07/15/new-charter-operator-agrees-to-atlantic-city-base/

https://www.globalairlinesgroup.com/overview.html

[bafanguy]

Never say "die". At least a pilot shortage won't be a problem now:

"Via Airlines (https://airlinegeeks.com/2019/05/31/via-airlines-officially-stops-commercial-routes-in-favor-of-charter-flights/) announced that it filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy and ceased all operations on Oct. 8, 2019, due to pilot shortage..."

https://airlinegeeks.com/2020/07/26/wexford-capital-acquires-bankrupt-via-airlines-to-launch-new-airline/

[bafanguy]

Start-up, Airbahn, is apparently still intending to operate (I'd forgotten about them). This link contains posts for both A320 seats(18 slots each). There'll be plenty of A320 F/Os walking the streets but captains ? Not sure about that:

https://www.airbahn.com/jobs/?source=SkyJobs.com

[bafanguy]

Airbahn now looking for a chief pilot. Maybe something's going on:

https://www.latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/view/id/14288.html

[F9320]

The CP and DO just resigned at Airbahn. CEO is taking advantage of the pilots on the street with extreamly crappy pay.

FO 60.00 hr with 70 hr guarantee
CAPT 109.00 hr with 70 hr guarantee

No yearly increase
No 401 K

2 year training contract

They just hired a COO from express jet so I'm sure he's going to run it like a Regional.

[SteamDials]

The CP and DO just resigned at Airbahn. CEO is taking advantage of the pilots on the street with extreamly crappy pay.

FO 60.00 hr with 70 hr guarantee
CAPT 109.00 hr with 70 hr guarantee

No yearly increase
No 401 K

2 year training contract

They just hired a COO from express jet so I'm sure he's going to run it like a Regional.
Have they actually started operations yet? What experience level have they hired on to A320 up until now?

[bafanguy]

Have they actually started operations yet? What experience level have they hired on to A320 up until now?

Under current circumstances, those hired at Airbahn may be hesitant to comment (or opine) publicly. But, I'd like to hear some inside scoop.

[yankeefly]

I interviewed not knowing their proposed compensation. When I found out, I was disappointed and declined.

At the end, I asked them to please poll the pilots working for them already (certification guys, CP, DO, etc.) and ask if they thought that $109/hr was a fair and adequate wage for an A320 Captain based in SNA or LGB... I said if they answered yes, I would be shocked. Then, I wished them well and said if they changed their minds and wanted to meet my salary requirements, call me.

If I was hiring folks to fly me and my customers around, I would hire the best and retain them! But, of course, I am a low-life 25 year airline pilot that is not hiring pilots and has no customers! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Job search continues.

Final Airbahn thoughts, I think they are addressing pilot compensation all wrong. I told them that. I declined and wish them well. The higher-ups I met seemed nice and smart. But they are wealthy people that want to take advantage of the perceived labor market. Good luck to them, but I think they are wrong on this pilot pay thing. I think anyone would that has ridden around in metal sky ships for years and years. But, for those that accept their terms, good luck to you and I wish you well also.

Merry Christmas to all!

[bafanguy]

Final Airbahn thoughts, I think they are addressing pilot compensation all wrong. I told them that. I declined and wish them well.

yf,

Understand. Did you have any sense of how many people they were interviewing or how many applied ? I'd expect it be a large number under the circumstances.

[F9320]

They will have people leave as soon as something else better comes. Airbahn will have the quickest union drive if the CEO keeps running it as he has. He's trying to run it like his Middle East company but its not flying well with the other employees. Three other managers are fed up and looking to leave. We started working for this company with good intentions but our hands were always tied behind our backs.

[bafanguy]

Airbahn will have the quickest union drive if the CEO keeps running it as he has. He's trying to run it like his Middle East company but its not flying well with the other employees. Three other managers are fed up and looking to leave.

F9,

Understand. But these days managements have the upper hand and will certainly use it. But nothing lasts forever...

[jklm05]

They will have people leave as soon as something else better comes. Airbahn will have the quickest union drive if the CEO keeps running it as he has. He's trying to run it like his Middle East company but its not flying well with the other employees. Three other managers are fed up and looking to leave. We started working for this company with good intentions but our hands were always tied behind our backs.

Hi F9320, tried to send u a PM but seems your inbox is full. If you can kindly make some space and then PM me, appreciate it.

Also, anyone else who has some info about Airbahn? Thanks.

[Fabio70]

What amaze me about AIRBAHN is there always recruiting nobody calls you for the last two years and there is no information about the company

[bafanguy]

What amaze me about AIRBAHN is there always recruiting nobody calls you for the last two years...


Hiring pilots is the last piece of the puzzle so there's no hurry. And the supply of pilots is endless...even before the virus added hordes to the supply. There are enough who will take any amount of abuse and neglect...and still be ready and willing when the employer decides to hire.

[bafanguy]

Appears GlobalX Airlines is moving along:

"About Global Crossing Airlines
GlobalX is a new entrant airline now in FAA certification using the Airbus A320 family aircraft. Subject to FAA and DOT approvals, GlobalX intends to fly as an ACMI and wet lease charter airline serving the US, Caribbean and Latin American markets."

https://globalairlinesgroup.com/careers.html?gnk=job&gni=8a7883a9766d9a800176d8e1fcc05f9b&lang=en&source=SkyJobs.com


https://www.globalairlinesgroup.com/news.html

https://www.latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/view/id/16695.html

[bafanguy]

Not exactly a start-up carrier but this is the first I recall hearing of them. Hillwood Airways ?

https://www.latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/view/id/16684.html

[zondaracer]

Not exactly a start-up carrier but this is the first I recall hearing of them. Hillwood Airways ?

https://www.latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/view/id/16684.html
Hillwood Airways is a charter company owned by Ross Perot Jr. They recently fired a pilot (for his involvement in storming the US Capitol building), so they probably had a position open up.

[bafanguy]

The start-ups just keep comin': Avelo Airlines

https://onemileatatime.com/avelo-airlines/

[zondaracer]

Avelo is Xtra Airways.

[bafanguy]

Avelo is Xtra Airways.


Yes, I see now that Avelo is being built on the skeletal remains of XTRA. IIRC, XTRA had one 737 to keep the certificate alive ? Their jobs site mentions hiring F/As but not pilots. If they had only one airplane, they can't have had many pilots.

[zondaracer]

Xtra was hiring pilots back in December. Their hiring window was open for a very short time but while I was furloughed, I put in an app. They contacted me with 48 hours for more info but they sent out a lot of TBNT letters the following week. After everyone got recalled with Cares 2.0, many 737 rated guys who got TBNT letters got contacted again asking if they were still interested. They plan on growing quick this year.

[bafanguy]

Annnnd there's another one: Aero

https://businessinsider.mx/rss-international/a-new-startup-luxury-airline-is-launching-flights-next-month-with-a-private-jet-like-plane-heres-a-closer-look-at-aero/

Apply here:

https://jobs.lever.co/aero/6425a7bb-6adc-43df-ae76-d49ccb4fc27b

[bafanguy]

Avelo is Xtra Airways.



And here's the pilot recruiting ad:

https://recruiting.paylocity.com/Recruiting/Jobs/Details/405500?source=SkyJobs.com

[bafanguy]

Appears to be official for Breeze now:

"Breeze Airways, a new Utah-based airline from JetBlue founder David Neeleman, received final approval Wednesday from the U.S. Department of Transportation to commence operations."

https://www.ksl.com/article/50122964/new-utah-based-airline-gets-federal-approval-for-takeoff

[bafanguy]

This ad from Breeze popped up this AM. Note type rating listed as "minimum" qualification. I guess they can be fussy these days:

Minimum Qualifications

• E170/190 Type Rating

https://www.latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/view/id/15784.html

[bafanguy]

So here's a Q400 start-up, Connect Airlines, by a US-based company planning to operate into Canada (could go in the Canada forum but I put it here since the parent company is US although the pedigree is a mix mixed):

"Connect Airlines would be the second company formed by John Thomas, an Australian who as already created a business jet firm in the United States called Waltzing Matilda Aviation. Waltzing Matilda is based in Boston and uses Cessna Citations for clients. John Thomas believes that the market is right for a new Canadian firm that can contest business routes between Canada’s Billy Bishop Airport in Toronto and the northeastern and midwestern United States."


https://airlinegeeks.com/2021/04/10/connect-airlines-plans-to-reconnect-canada-united-states/

And here's the pilot hiring ad:

“Airline Transport Pilot Certificate Multi-Engine Land (Transport Canada or FAA)”

https://www.latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/view/id/16587.html

[havick]

I keep seeing posts on LinkedIn about Airbahn and pilots going through new hire course as we speak.

[bafanguy]

I keep seeing posts on LinkedIn about Airbahn and pilots going through new hire course as we speak.

havick,


Haven't seen much from Airbahn lately but I'm not on LinkedIn or Facebook.

I did see this ad from Avelo pop up last night. I don't know if this is an old ad being recycled or something new. The F/O requirements are interesting. I assume they'll get much more than this from applicants ?:

First Officer

• Eligible for an unrestricted ATP Multi-Engine Land

• Completed ATP-CTP course, 14 CFR §61.156

• B737 Type Rating, preferred

• 1,500 TT

• 500 PIC

• 500 MEL

• Meets 14 CFR §121.436(a)(3)

https://recruiting.paylocity.com/Recruiting/Jobs/Details/514488?source=SkyJobs.com

[havick]

havick,


Haven't seen much from Airbahn lately but I'm not on LinkedIn or Facebook.

I did see this ad from Avelo pop up last night. I don't know if this is an old ad being recycled or something new. The F/O requirements are interesting. I assume they'll get much more than this from applicants ?:

First Officer

• Eligible for an unrestricted ATP Multi-Engine Land

• Completed ATP-CTP course, 14 CFR §61.156

• B737 Type Rating, preferred

• 1,500 TT

• 500 PIC

• 500 MEL

• Meets 14 CFR §121.436(a)(3)

https://recruiting.paylocity.com/Recruiting/Jobs/Details/514488?source=SkyJobs.com

The airbahn posts I’ve seen on LinkedIn are all front director of ops or the CP, mostly showing management type pilots going through what looks like initial CADRE.

That being said it all could be a little glitter to entice more investors as being a little closer to operating? At least Breeze has actually aircraft etc whereas Airbahn doesn’t really seem to have any infrastructure?

[bafanguy]

Ads for Global Crossing popped up today:

https://globalairlinesgroup.com/careers.html?gnk=job&gni=8a7883a9766d9a800176d8e1fcc05f9b&lang=en&source=SkyJobs.com


https://globalairlinesgroup.com/careers.html?gnk=job&gni=8a7883a9766d9a800176d8efcd5c63b1&gns=SkyJobs.com&lang=en

[bafanguy]

Midwest Express redux. Never admit defeat:

"Although Midwest Express is discontinuing its partnership with Elite Airways, Midwest Express president Greg Aretakis says the airline’s plan continues to move forward with a goal of delivering nonstop flights with exceptional customer service."

https://worldairlinenews.com/2021/04/28/midwest-express-still-hopes-to-launch-operations/

[bafanguy]

A new offering from Breeze:

https://boards.greenhouse.io/breezeairways/jobs/4510808003?source=SkyJobs.com

[bafanguy]

Appears ExpressJet is close to reincarnation:

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/breaking-news/296385/tentative-approval-given-for-expressjets-revival/

[bafanguy]

Sounds like Connect is getting close. Will be airplanes be US or Canadian registered ?:

“….There is currently a shortage of pilots [overall], but we’re addressing this by being able to hire both US and Canadians.”


https://simpleflying.com/connect-airlines-startup-plan/

[bafanguy]

Global Crossing is still looking for captains:

https://globalairlinesgroup.com/careers.html?source=SkyJobs.com

[bafanguy]

And GlobalX is still looking for captains. No mention of F/Os:

https://globalairlinesgroup.com/careers.html?gnk=job&gni=8a78839f7ce7e7f6017cecd03f1d6b28&lang=en&source=SkyJobs.com

[bafanguy]

Airbahn: Keepin' hope alive

https://airlinegeeks.com/2021/11/30/new-u-s-startup-airbahn-eyes-launch-in-march-2022/

[bafanguy]

Waltzing Matilda Aviation (Connect Airlines?) looking for DHC-8 pilots:

https://www.latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/view/id/17251.html

https://www.anna.aero/2021/05/17/waltzing-matilda-aviation-to-launch-connect-airlines-with-scheduled-passenger-services-to-billy-bishop-toronto-city-airport/

[bafanguy]

I wonder if this is also an ad for Connect Airlines. If it is, they've added this. I wonder if it means no one is applying:


$24,0000 Signing Bonus – paid in installments
$24,000 Retention Bonus – paid in installments
Total of $48,000 in bonuses!!


https://jobs.flightglobal.com/job/1401540708/new-opening-dash-8-q400-captains-and-first-officers-/?TrackID=110&utm_source=rss&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=general

[bafanguy]

Speaking of Connect Airlines, in post #124 of this thread reference was made to hiring both Canadian and US pilots. I looked on AVCANADA for any Connect Airlines ad addressed to Canadian pilots but didn't find one. So, does anyone know if Connect is advertising for Canadian pilots ?

If they're having any trouble finding US pilots, based on their earlier comments I'd expect them to be recruiting Canadians as they said they would do.

[bafanguy]

I assume this is yet another ad from Connect Airlines. From the wording, I think I sense increasing desperation; perhaps I'm wrong. I'd love to know what's going on behind the curtain:Hiring Captains - do NOT need to be current

https://www.jsfirm.com/job/Pilot-Fixed+Wing/Hiring+Captains+-+do+NOT+need+to+be+current/Plano-Texas/jobID_897891

[1201alarm]

So there are DEC positions at part 121 carriers. Of course not the majors.

But usual hours caveat of 1000h under specific FAA-regulations are applicable. Now I somehow understand the system. Thanks again.

[bafanguy]

So there are DEC positions at part 121 carriers. Of course not the majors.

Yes, some US regionals offer DEC positions but they come with drawbacks. And of course, start-ups offer DEC spots. But as you say, 1000 hours FAA Part 121 time is required.

[bafanguy]

A bit more Connect Airlines info. I've seen anecdotal mention of a $20K training bond over 12 months but haven't seen it in any Connect statements:

https://www.connectairlines.com/about-pilots

[bafanguy]

Start-up, Avelo Airlines, ups the pay rates:

BREAKING NEWS (AeroCrew Solutions)

Avelo Airlines announces a new pay scale and sign-on bonus for new hire Captain and First Officers effective February 1, 2022!

First year Captain pay will be $200 per block hour, and First Officers will start at $90 per hour.

Plus, sign on before June 1, 2022 and you will earn a $20,000 bonus (paid in two installments in your first year of service, with the $5,000 when you finish OE).

All pilots are virtually based and earn an additional $1,800 per month in virtual base pay paid monthly after completion of OE, no matter where you choose to live. Training is paid at first year First Officer rate and includes all accommodations.

In your first year, you’ll earn a minimum of $210,000 as Captain or $117,400 as a First Officer.
Come learn more at their virtual information session via Microsoft Teams: Monday, January 24th at 1600 EST. Join conversation (https://lnkd.in/eyHiGtZp)

First 5 year Block Hour Rates

Captain
Year 1 - $200
Year 2 - $205
Year 3 - $210
Year 4 - $215
Year 5 - $220

First Officer
Year 1 - $90
Year 2 - $110
Year 3 - $120
Year 4 - $130
Year 5 - $140

“We’re committed to attracting, rewarding and retaining the industry’s best pilots as we grow Avelo,” said Avelo Chairman and CEO Andrew Levy. “In addition to industry-leading pay, Avelo offers immediate high seniority and a quicker path to the left seat than most other carriers. Couple that with our unique One Crew culture and Soul of Service caring mindset, and Avelo is a great airline to grow your career and an airline you’ll be proud to be a part of.”
---------------------------------------------------------------
In case you want to throw your hat in the ring:

https://recruiting.paylocity.com/Recruiting/Jobs/Details/722256

[bafanguy]

Avelo now advertising for DECs:

https://www.latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/view/id/16821.html

[bafanguy]

Not a US start-up but I'll put it here for lack of another spot. Coral Jet, a planned A320 operator in Bermuda. A quick look around didn't find anything about the backers, management people or a need for F/Os:

https://www.aviationjobs.me/jobs/a320-captains-coral-jet-bermuda/


https://pilotcareercentre.com/Pilot-Job-Posting-Pilot-Opening-Pilot-Job/16110/Latin-America-%E2%88%95-the-Caribbean/Experienced-Captains/Airbus-A320---Bermuda/Coral-Jet

[bafanguy]

Alaska-based B757 start-up, Northern Pacific Airways, is looking for both seats. Time in type doesn't appear to be required:

https://workforcenow.adp.com/mascsr/default/mdf/recruitment/recruitment.html?cid=e2c50496-de9b-4151-9c12-3ea5a05990e3&ccId=9200228028344_2&lang=en_US&source=SkyJobs.com

[bafanguy]

A recent bit about Connect Airlines (Waltzing Matilda Aviation):


The agreement reached between the world’s largest pilots union and WMA addresses concerns regarding the company’s initial plans to conduct service as a U.S. carrier from a Canadian base, while avoiding using American workers.

“ALPA is pleased that Waltzing Matilda completely revamped and reformed its airline—committing to base all of its pilots in the United States and hire only U.S. citizens and permanent residents to serve on its flight decks,” said Capt. Joe DePete, ALPA president.


https://www.alpa.org/news-and-events/news-room/2022-04-22-waltzing-matilda-agreement?fbclid=IwAR2T2C33xkO34uzLFZ34mfoqf8oZTwzlzkgkMCtpU VChNdzT5zWYEMx1Vec

[bafanguy]

Apparently, Global Crossing airlines has a deal with a flight school to provide F/Os. But that takes 2+ years so where have the current F/Os come from and what are the requirements ? I don't recall seeing any ads for F/Os...just captains.

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2022/04/06/2417527/0/en/Global-Crossing-Airlines-and-OSM-Aviation-Academy-Announce-Pilot-Direct-Placement-Training-Partnership.html?msclkid=bf78e26fb5b011eca7d8b443ff47f5f6

[bafanguy]

OK, worked the Google Foo a little harder and came up with this. Says posted 30+ days ago so I don't know when the ad was current. The company careers site only advertises for capts so the hiring status for F/Os remains unknown (at least to me):

https://www.aviationjobs.me/jobs/a321-first-officers-globalx-airlines-us/

[bafanguy]

So long, Airbahn. We hardly knew ye:

https://onemileatatime.com/news/airbahn-airline-startup-end/

[bafanguy]

Connect Airlines seems to be moving along with the process:

https://worldairlinenews.com/2022/07/07/connect-airlines-has-been-issued-its-certificate-of-convenience-and-necessity-by-the-us-department-of-transportation-dot/

[bafanguy]

Connect Airlines pilot job postings:


https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/31602-connect-airlines-seeks-captains-pay-offer

https://wmaviation.bamboohr.com/jobs/view.php?id=73&source=bamboohr

https://wmaviation.bamboohr.com/jobs/view.php?id=63&source=bamboohr

[bafanguy]

Now Global Crossing Airlines is looking for B717 captains (F/Os not mentioned in ad). They want people B717 qualified. I wonder how many of those are floating around looking for a job.

You have to select B717 captain from the careers page:

https://globalairlinesgroup.com/careers.html

[bafanguy]

Global Crossing ? Yet no mention of F/Os. Why is that ?

https://www.latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/view/id/17479.html

[bafanguy]

Latest F/O ad from Connect Airlines (Waltzing Matilda Aviation):

https://www.latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/view/id/17740.html