SunExpress Turkey

[PilotJamie]

Hi Folks,

Been invited to attend the SunExpress MollyMawk test in Antalya with a view to progressing onto the sim and face to face interview.

Has anyone here any previous experience with the company be it working or interview stage? Id be delighted to hear your thoughts.

[Fedro88]

I have heard about this SunExpress company before. But honestly, don't know much about this one. Thanks!

[paulo204]

Hi guys!

Anyone received the invitation for 28 of june ?

[readytobeapilot]

sun express is own by lufthansa and turkish 50% each, very good company to work. they pay €.

about antalya, such a nice city near the mediterranean sea.

[Banana Joe]

Compared to the stupid DLR, how hard is this Mollymawk test? I am really irritated about the fact that I have to buy it for limited practice runs.

[nebojsar]

Also they have age limit of 35. Keep that in mind when you apply.

[Mlambin]

Anyone starting the TR at the beginning of October?

[captain.weird]

Anyone starting the TR at the beginning of October?

Which base you got?

[Mlambin]

Which base you got?

Don't know anything yet.

[AirInter]

Hi Guys,

- Which base could you expect for a DEC position?
- How many days at home can you expect for a non commuting position?
- What is the rent price of a nice apartment/house?
- Is raw data flying allowed (without FDs)?

Thank you and safe flights.

[Smell the Coffee]

I don’t think there is an age limit anymore, at least not in the official requirements for FOs and Captains on the SunExpress HR portal. There is only a minimum age limit of 21.

[TheEdge]

I don’t think there is an age limit anymore, at least not in the official requirements for FOs and Captains on the SunExpress HR portal. There is only a minimum age limit of 21.
As you correctly said, IT IS NOT Official, but they DO have age limits during the selections...bear in mind

[Vaero]

Is anyone going for the upcoming tests this March?

[Akum]

I'm invited for Mollymawk test in Antalya on March 4.

[lhc7664]

I'm invited for Mollymawk test in Antalya on March 4.

Did you do an english test online before being invited for the Mollymawk test?

I´ve received an email with a link to an english test that lasts about 80 minutes. Anyone knows what to expect during this english assessment?

[Akum]

Yes,I did it few weeks ago.My advice,go to the ITEP main page and do test run of the test.Real test will be almost the same,but bigger and with little time limit given to do excercise.

[pilotsaad]

Did you do an english test online before being invited for the Mollymawk test?

I´ve received an email with a link to an english test that lasts about 80 minutes. Anyone knows what to expect during this english assessment?

Hi!
they require 3,5 in the writing, reading, grammar and listening.
It is not so difficult.
kinds

[lhc7664]

Thanks for your replies.

[pilot1997]

Hi guys,

I'm too invited to psyhometric tests on 4 of march in Antalya. English test is not so hard.

Regards

[Vaero]

Hi!
they require 3,5 in the writing, reading, grammar and listening.
It is not so difficult.
kinds

Also speaking!

Hopefully we can meet up on March 4!

[pilotsaad]

Also speaking!

Hopefully we can meet up on March 4!

Yes even speaking!
I am coming to do my test soon.
Kinds

[lhc7664]

Congrats with the invitation guys!

Is SunExpress providing tickets or are you on your own when it comes to transport/accommodation during the various stages in the assessment?

Also, does anyone know anything about the t&c’s for non type rated f/o’s joining SunExpress? How does the bond work, are there any salaries during type rating, does company supply accommodation during training etc.?

Any answers are much appreciated!

Thanks,

[NicolaiN]

Hey !
On the website, do you recommend to do the highschool level or college ?

[diadingo]

Congrats with the invitation guys!

Is SunExpress providing tickets or are you on your own when it comes to transport/accommodation during the various stages in the assessment?

Also, does anyone know anything about the t&c’s for non type rated f/o’s joining SunExpress? How does the bond work, are there any salaries during type rating, does company supply accommodation during training etc.?

Any answers are much appreciated!

Thanks,


They do provide tickets for their flights. Accomodation is 45 eur a night with their discount.
Bond for 3 years, 2.5k eur plus BH from 75.

[Vaero]

Hey !
On the website, do you recommend to do the highschool level or college ?

A college degree is always a plus but I don't think it's required, as long as you have the other requirements

[Vaero]

They do provide tickets for their flights. Accomodation is 45 eur a night with their discount.
Bond for 3 years, 2.5k eur plus BH from 75.

Are you already with SunExpiress? I'm about to do the first test and I hadn't known that. If you've already done it, got any tips?

They do provide tickets for their flights. Accomodation is 45 eur a night with their discount.
Bond for 3 years, 2.5k eur plus BH from 75.

Are you already with SunExpiress? I'm about to do the first test and I hadn't known that. If you've already done it, got any tips?

[lhc7664]

To answer my own question, the ITEP english test wasn´t to bad. Pretty much the same as the free preview test on their webpage.

Anyone recently employed as non type rated/low hour pilot on their bond? I´d like to ask a few questions as I´m about to do the Mollymawk.

Cheers,

[NicolaiN]

I'm invited for Mollymawk test in Antalya on March 4.

Hi guys,

I'm too invited to psyhometric tests on 4 of march in Antalya. English test is not so hard.

Regards


Also speaking!

Hopefully we can meet up on March 4!

I would love to hear how it went and if you got any advice for the Mollymawk test ?
What is the pass rate ?

​​​​​​​Nicolai

[Akum]

I would love to hear how it went and if you got any advice for the Mollymawk test ?
What is the pass rate ?

Nicolai
​​​​​​​Pass rate 0%,today was 5 guys, all failed.

[lhc7664]

Pass rate 0%,today was 5 guys, all failed.

Sorry to hear that!

Any details would be much appreciated. Like how was the actual tests compared to the trial runs on the Mollymawk page? Did you do any additional training - for instance used the atpl.tv for math and science preparation?

[NicolaiN]

Pass rate 0%,today was 5 guys, all failed.

I must say as well, that I am sorry to hear that !

I would also like to know, if you all failed on the same topics or just overall ? did they tell you anything ? :)

[pilot1997]

Hi folks.

I can affirm, that were 5 guys, pass rate 0%.
Exam test is harder then practise test. I didn't practise any other tests except mollymawk, but the tests it self are pretty hard and mollymawk given practise attemps are not enough. And pass rate for every test for sunexpress is very very high, many guys even can get that high results in practise tests.

Regards

[lhc7664]

And pass rate for every test for sunexpress is very very high, many guys even can get that high results in practise tests.


Do you know what the pass rate is for the scores in the different tests?

[Vaero]

Yikes! That isn't reassuring at all. What do you mean by "harder than practice" - what was? The Math/Physics or the Working Memory, Spatial Orientation, etc?

​​​​​​​Pass rate 0%,today was 5 guys, all failed.

Hi folks.

I can affirm, that were 5 guys, pass rate 0%.
Exam test is harder then practise test. I didn't practise any other tests except mollymawk, but the tests it self are pretty hard and mollymawk given practise attemps are not enough. And pass rate for every test for sunexpress is very very high, many guys even can get that high results in practise tests.

Regards

[Punchy2609]

Hi Guys,

- Which base could you expect for a DEC position?
- How many days at home can you expect for a non commuting position?
- What is the rent price of a nice apartment/house?
- Is raw data flying allowed (without FDs)?

Thank you and safe flights.



​​​​​​For DEC you will get either Ankara (ESB) or Istanbul (SAW). Dont even dream about Antalya or Izmir.
For non commuting you going to fly a lot at summer period , let say from april till october. And max what you can get is 3 days in a row and its not for sure. As well keep in mind that from ESB and SAW you will fly 99% of 4 sectors days. The only good thing is almost no night flights. At winter(I think from november till march) they just introduced 5 days in a row, which you will get every month.
The prices in Istanbul and Ankara for now not really sure. But of course its all depends on your standards... But I guess for decent apartment you might expect around 4000-6000 lira , which is around 600-1000EUR.
Raw data is totally no problem. From that point of view SXS is quite relaxed. Just stay in the margins and its ok.

[PilotLew]

Just wanted to give a bit of an insight into my experience with SXS recruitment.

So to begin with there is the ITEP which is not difficult at all whether you are a native English speaker or not if you have level 4 or above English you should be able to pass this.

Then comes the first visit to Antalya to take the Mollymawk’s (you do have to pay for these tests by the way folks), again these are not the most difficult of aptitude tests! Yes you do need to practice or you will indeed fail them but when I did mine most of the guys passed and here’s the other bonus...if you do happen to fail them they will give you the chance to re-take them so failing the Mollymawk’s isn’t an instant out!

After the you have the Mollymawk results you will be invited to a simulator assessment in Antalya again. This assessment is undertaken in a Level D 737-800 sim and the HR team will issue you with a simulator assessment guide so you can study and practice in the run up to the assessment. There are no surprises with the assessment and for guys fresh out of flight school there aren’t any failures to deal with either. You will pass this assessment if you have good handling skills but you must also be a good crew member, if the SXS pilot that is sat next to you points something out tell them you’re correcting and correct it!! They are looking for perfection they are looking for a good crew member with a reasonable flying ability. You will find out within a couple of days if you have been successful (at this stage I would guess the pass rate is around 50% or so)

Once you have passed this you will then make a third and final visit to Antalya for the interview. I cannot stress enough that you must study for this!! (I found Ace the Technical Pilot Interview book to be extremely helpful as it gives you the perfect basis of knowledge to be successful in this interview). Regarding the interview format you will begin with some questions from HR which delves into your background and how you find yourself sat in front of the interviewers today. After this come the technical questions, expect some these to be related back to what you wrote on the self presentation document as it seems they are wanting to see not only what you have learnt from your ATPLs but also from past experiences, I was also given a few quick fire mental arithmetic questions and ATC read backs to complete. Then comes the psychologist (Melina Rauch - Owner of the Mollymawk tears) she is a very nice person and will just ask you a few questions to try and get an idea of your personality, nothing too difficult, just be honest and this part will be the easiest of the interview. After this is finished they will ask you to leave the room whilst the deliberate, within 5 to 10 minutes you will be called back in and you will find out there and then if you have been successful, whether you are or aren’t they will give you a debrief and offer you advice to take forward with you.

I will say I have been lucky and I am due to start in autumn subject to my work permit being approved (shouldn’t be a problem there but always be cautious) but this has been one of the most straightforward recruitment processes I have been through. There is a lot of time for you to prepare yourself thoroughly and if you do prepare yourself thoroughly then there is no reason that you shouldn’t be able to pass all stages and be offered a position flying 737-800s!

You will find everyone that you come into contact with at SXS cannot help you enough and they are probably the most friendly team of recruiters I have encountered. If anyone wants to know anymore or anyone is starting in autumn feel free to PM me!

[lhc7664]

Just wanted to give a bit of an insight into my experience with SXS recruitment.

So to begin with there is the ITEP which is not difficult at all whether you are a native English speaker or not if you have level 4 or above English you should be able to pass this.

Then comes the first visit to Antalya to take the Mollymawk’s (you do have to pay for these tests by the way folks), again these are not the most difficult of aptitude tests! Yes you do need to practice or you will indeed fail them but when I did mine most of the guys passed and here’s the other bonus...if you do happen to fail them they will give you the chance to re-take them so failing the Mollymawk’s isn’t an instant out!

After the you have the Mollymawk results you will be invited to a simulator assessment in Antalya again. This assessment is undertaken in a Level D 737-800 sim and the HR team will issue you with a simulator assessment guide so you can study and practice in the run up to the assessment. There are no surprises with the assessment and for guys fresh out of flight school there aren’t any failures to deal with either. You will pass this assessment if you have good handling skills but you must also be a good crew member, if the SXS pilot that is sat next to you points something out tell them you’re correcting and correct it!! They are looking for perfection they are looking for a good crew member with a reasonable flying ability. You will find out within a couple of days if you have been successful (at this stage I would guess the pass rate is around 50% or so)

Once you have passed this you will then make a third and final visit to Antalya for the interview. I cannot stress enough that you must study for this!! (I found Ace the Technical Pilot Interview book to be extremely helpful as it gives you the perfect basis of knowledge to be successful in this interview). Regarding the interview format you will begin with some questions from HR which delves into your background and how you find yourself sat in front of the interviewers today. After this come the technical questions, expect some these to be related back to what you wrote on the self presentation document as it seems they are wanting to see not only what you have learnt from your ATPLs but also from past experiences, I was also given a few quick fire mental arithmetic questions and ATC read backs to complete. Then comes the psychologist (Melina Rauch - Owner of the Mollymawk tears) she is a very nice person and will just ask you a few questions to try and get an idea of your personality, nothing too difficult, just be honest and this part will be the easiest of the interview. After this is finished they will ask you to leave the room whilst the deliberate, within 5 to 10 minutes you will be called back in and you will find out there and then if you have been successful, whether you are or aren’t they will give you a debrief and offer you advice to take forward with you.

I will say I have been lucky and I am due to start in autumn subject to my work permit being approved (shouldn’t be a problem there but always be cautious) but this has been one of the most straightforward recruitment processes I have been through. There is a lot of time for you to prepare yourself thoroughly and if you do prepare yourself thoroughly then there is no reason that you shouldn’t be able to pass all stages and be offered a position flying 737-800s!

You will find everyone that you come into contact with at SXS cannot help you enough and they are probably the most friendly team of recruiters I have encountered. If anyone wants to know anymore or anyone is starting in autumn feel free to PM me!


PilotLew,

I´ve tried to reach you but your folder is full..

[Banana Joe]

PilotLew what level of physics and mathematics did you encounter in the Mollymawk test?

[Pinuz89]

I have been contacted by them via email, saying that I will receive a firstly a phone interview.
has this happened to you too ?

How long does it take roughly the whole process ?

[NicolaiN]

You will find everyone that you come into contact with at SXS cannot help you enough and they are probably the most friendly team of recruiters I have encountered. If anyone wants to know anymore or anyone is starting in autumn feel free to PM me!


Hey
I passed the interview and are starting in autumn.
have you heard anything after the interview ?

Your inBox is full

[Moldu]

Hi guys,
I have received an email from them 15 days ago regarding a phone interview, do you guys have any idea what hey require from you during this interview ? what are the asked questions ?
For your information, I have heard you gotta pay your 737 TR around 30 k€, is that correct ?

[GomuGomuPilot]

Hi guys,
I have received an email from them 15 days ago regarding a phone interview, do you guys have any idea what hey require from you during this interview ? what are the asked questions ?
For your information, I have heard you gotta pay your 737 TR around 30 k€, is that correct ?
they also pay for your type rating with a 3 year bond where you will be paying 32500 deductible from your salary.
how did u apply?
I applied through OSM aviation. They did a phone interview with me. They asked me what do i think of operational procedures?
and what do i think of CRM?

[GomuGomuPilot]

Hey guys, i will give you the full story so far and ask a qustions later hopefully someone might have the answer for it. Thanks in advance.

I applied for NTR FO SXS through OSM aviation group. They asked for my documents after that the send me a email saying they are checking my docs, next step is a phone interview(no time period was given).
I got a phone call around 5 days later asking bit about me then asking me if I've been to Turkey before, I said no but I did do the research before I applied and told him about it.
He told me sunexpress told him to ask two qustions to me.
1. What do I think of Companys SOP?
(followed with what will you do in a situation if there is no SOP for a situation you are in)
2. What do i think of CRM?
He told me straight I have successfully answered his qustions and he will move my application to next step.
after 15 days or so i received an email from OSM aviation saying my phone interview was successful and I have to go to SXS website and make another application with them. With that email it includes what SXS recruiting method is suche Online exam, sim assessment, and final interview.

I went to SXS website and filled in their online application form. I got a response from them next day asking for my documents. I send all the documents they need within 2hrs. They send me back asking for hightschool diploma certificate. I send them my high school certificate which in UK is A-level certificates. Since then I didn't get any response back from them.

Thank you for reading the long back story. So here is my qustions.
Is A-level (end of high school in uk) is good enough or do they take some time before they respond to me.
I am asking this because its been a week now, From what I see SXS responded almost within a day from I but I didn't hear anything back from them and its been a whole week so far (i know it's not long when it's coming to recruitment process). I will be keep waiting but if anyone know let me know. or if they send a rejected application email?

Thank you.

[SpainHire]

End of high school in UK is Age 16. That is GCSEs. A-levels are college/sixth-form level (age 18).

[GomuGomuPilot]

End of high school in UK is Age 16. That is GCSEs. A-levels are college/sixth-form level (age 18).
oh, I thought It's A-levels, did you apply with them? Thanks.

[Moldu]

Hey guys, i will give you the full story so far and ask a qustions later hopefully someone might have the answer for it. Thanks in advance.

I applied for NTR FO SXS through OSM aviation group. They asked for my documents after that the send me a email saying they are checking my docs, next step is a phone interview(no time period was given).
I got a phone call around 5 days later asking bit about me then asking me if I've been to Turkey before, I said no but I did do the research before I applied and told him about it.
He told me sunexpress told him to ask two qustions to me.
1. What do I think of Companys SOP?
(followed with what will you do in a situation if there is no SOP for a situation you are in)
2. What do i think of CRM?
He told me straight I have successfully answered his qustions and he will move my application to next step.
after 15 days or so i received an email from OSM aviation saying my phone interview was successful and I have to go to SXS website and make another application with them. With that email it includes what SXS recruiting method is suche Online exam, sim assessment, and final interview.

I went to SXS website and filled in their online application form. I got a response from them next day asking for my documents. I send all the documents they need within 2hrs. They send me back asking for hightschool diploma certificate. I send them my high school certificate which in UK is A-level certificates. Since then I didn't get any response back from them.

Thank you for reading the long back story. So here is my qustions.
Is A-level (end of high school in uk) is good enough or do they take some time before they respond to me.
I am asking this because its been a week now, From what I see SXS responded almost within a day from I but I didn't hear anything back from them and its been a whole week so far (i know it's not long when it's coming to recruitment process). I will be keep waiting but if anyone know let me know. or if they send a rejected application email?

Thank you.

Hey GomuGomu,
Thanks for your feedback,
Just got the phone call as well, and the questions were just the same.
Passed it as well, going to the next step : online english test.
Let you know !

[GomuGomuPilot]

Hey GomuGomu,
Thanks for your feedback,
Just got the phone call as well, and the questions were just the same.
Passed it as well, going to the next step : online english test.
Let you know !
Congrats!
Did you apply through OSM Aviation or directly from SXS? Also have you send your documents to them?

[Moldu]

Congrats!
Did you apply through OSM Aviation or directly from SXS? Also have you send your documents to them?

Via OSM :)
The guy told me he will pass the details to SXS and I will go through next step probably next week.
The only documents I sent, were the ones required by OSM at step 0.

[GomuGomuPilot]

Via OSM :)
The guy told me he will pass the details to SXS and I will go through next step probably next week.
The only documents I sent, were the ones required by OSM at step 0.
i see, well thats what they told me but two weeks later they send me an email requesting to register at SXS website and if they are happy with your details they will send an email requesting docs, then they will check the docs and if they are happy they will send an English test link. Let me know how it goes. Good Luck.

[Moldu]

i see, well thats what they told me but two weeks later they send me an email requesting to register at SXS website and if they are happy with your details they will send an email requesting docs, then they will check the docs and if they are happy they will send an English test link. Let me know how it goes. Good Luck.

Got the email to fill in the online information on SXS website, it also includes a description of the coming steps. They mention Mollymawk test, how are you preparing for this ?
Skytest has only one test included in the DLR, can't find any website where I can practice this test with no restrictions (on mollymawk official test, you're limited to a couple of trials).
Any update from your side ?

[GomuGomuPilot]

Got the email to fill in the online information on SXS website, it also includes a description of the coming steps. They mention Mollymawk test, how are you preparing for this ?
Skytest has only one test included in the DLR, can't find any website where I can practice this test with no restrictions (on mollymawk official test, you're limited to a couple of trials).
Any update from your side ?
No nothing at all. Do you have a university degree?
Honestly I ve been watching the videos of Mollymawk test and try to find a similar games. But its hard to find. So far I found different multi tasking games etc but not the same one.
they are quite quick when its come to respond but yeah no news for me so far...
well good luck. Keep me updated and let me know if you can find anything to practice for Mollymawk and I will let you know if I find any.

[duncanidaho50]

Hi guys

If I join as a FO, how long till command? Any chance then to keep ur base? I want Antalya or Izmir and if not, I am not sure if I want the job.

Thank

[GomuGomuPilot]

Anyone got any invitation recently? I send them a message to check in but no responses!

[B77WPilot]

Got the OSM call, passed it and Sunexpress contacted me requesting my documents. Last week they sent me an invitation for an ITEP english test but no answers so far

[B77F]

Anyone applied through SXS directly?

[pilotsaad]

Hello Guys!
Is there a mollymawk test in the process? I see all of you have gotten a call immediately or what? Please inform me if all of have previous experience or only low hours?
Kinds

[B77WPilot]

Hello Guys!
Is there a mollymawk test in the process? I see all of you have gotten a call immediately or what? Please inform me if all of have previous experience or only low hours?
Kinds
Today Ive been invited to the mollymawk test on 29th of August. After the OSM call you have to apply directly on SXS web and they will contact you for the english test. If you pass it then the next step is to go to Antalya for the mollymawk. I have low hours.

[Amidoo]

Anyone applied through SXS directly?

I did, two days ago, august 7th, will let you know when or if I get a call/e-mail... Don't know if it makes a difference whether we apply via OSM or directly with them..

[GomuGomuPilot]

Got the OSM call, passed it and Sunexpress contacted me requesting my documents. Last week they sent me an invitation for an ITEP english test but no answers so far
Did you do the test or they said they will send an link for the English assesment?
Thank you.

Oh BTW OSM aviation is like your employer if you get the job even tho you are working under SXS, It's kind of complected They say you will work under OSM but for SXS. Hopefully that will make sense.

[B77WPilot]

Did you do the test or they said they will send an link for the English assesment?
Thank you.

Oh BTW OSM aviation is like your employer if you get the job even tho you are working under SXS, It's kind of complected They say you will work under OSM but for SXS. Hopefully that will make sense.

They sent me the link and i did the test last week. Got the answer yesterday and they invited me to the mollymawk test on 29th of august

[todisflying]

can you switch to sxd from the turkey one, once you gained experience if you speak german?

[Hogos]

I just did the english test, very straightforward, it's made of 5 parts:
-Grammar
-Listening
-Reading
-Writing
-Speaking

Ensure to have camera, mic, headset, and a paper and pen to write some notes during the listening, and of course 2h where you are free and undisturbed !!
Not like me where in the middle of the speaking the rooster started crowing !
At least they might appreciate my "country side" :}

[GomuGomuPilot]

I just did the english test, very straightforward, it's made of 5 parts:
-Grammar
-Listening
-Reading
-Writing
-Speaking

Ensure to have camera, mic, headset, and a paper and pen to write some notes during the listening, and of course 2h where you are free and undisturbed !!
Not like me where in the middle of the speaking the rooster started crowing !
At least they might appreciate my "country side" :}

Haha thats nice, I love country side too but I live in a city.
Anyway thats good atleast they send you something. I got nothing back from them I applied beginning of July. They said they will send me an invitation to an English test but nothing so far. Will wait two more weeks then will try to contact them again. Thanks for the feed back tho. Keep us upto date if you can thank you again.

[lhc7664]

Anyone applied through SXS directly?
I applied directly through SunExpress, but back in March. Don´t know if its different now.

Got an invitation afterwards for an online English test.
A few days after I was invited to the Mollymawk in Antalya - then Sim a few weeks after and finally the board interview also in Antalya.

The entire process took about 2 months from i received the first email from them.

[Hogos]

I applied directly through SunExpress, but back in March. Don´t know if its different now.

Got an invitation afterwards for an online English test.
A few days after I was invited to the Mollymawk in Antalya - then Sim a few weeks after and finally the board interview also in Antalya.

The entire process took about 2 months from i received the first email from them.

May I ask you some questions ?
Is the recruitment done in 3 separate days ? (i mean do we need to travel 3 times to Antalya ?)

Is the interview difficult ?
Do you know something about the pass rate ?
Call it bad luck or what, I went through very low pass rate recruitments, where nobody passed, collecting bad news all around europe, and I spent a lot of money.
I would like to consider this option only if there are good possibilities

[Rocket61]

May I ask you some questions ?
Is the recruitment done in 3 separate days ? (i mean do we need to travel 3 times to Antalya ?)

Is the interview difficult ?
Do you know something about the pass rate ?
Call it bad luck or what, I went through very low pass rate recruitments, where nobody passed, collecting bad news all around europe, and I spent a lot of money.
I would like to consider this option only if there are good possibilities

I can't answer all of your questions, but yes you will need to travel 3 times to Antalya, if I'm not wrong (but feel free to correct me if necessary) you have to pay for the 1st trip to attend the mollymawk exam (and pay for the mollymawk fees, which are pretty expensive) but if you pass they should pay for your two next trips to Antalya and provide you with preferential fares for the hotel.

[Hogos]

Rocket61 thank you for the answer.
How is the Mollymawk ? is it similar to the DLR ?

I'm preparing the DLR, and I read somewhere that it could be recognised, but I'm not sure.

[lhc7664]

May I ask you some questions ?
Is the recruitment done in 3 separate days ? (i mean do we need to travel 3 times to Antalya ?)

Is the interview difficult ?
Do you know something about the pass rate ?
Call it bad luck or what, I went through very low pass rate recruitments, where nobody passed, collecting bad news all around europe, and I spent a lot of money.
I would like to consider this option only if there are good possibilities

It is done in three separate steps. However SunExpress provide flight tickets with SXS and also has a good deal on the hotel rate.
I have only been through two selection processes - the last one fortunately with a successful outcome. I must admit that I did find it really pleasurable dealing with SunExpress during the entire process! Really great people - a very nice atmosphere at the "Plaza" - great instructor during the sim screening and overall just left me with a really good feeling. Unlike some other airlines around (As far as I´ve been told)

To answer the question whether it´s worth it or not - well that´s in my opinion quite easy... Do you WANT the job or not? If you want it - like REALLY WANT it - then go for it, and go for it 110%
The pass rate is quite narrow - specially for the Mollymawk - but if you train for it, you can do it!

You will be able to ace what you´re putting your energy into. So do you wan´t to nail the DLR? Then train for the DLR. If you wan´t to nail the Mollymawk, then train for the Mollymawk. All you can!
There is a thread here on this forum regarding the Mollymawk. Also take a little time to search google for turkish pilot forums - there might be something of interest there.

[Hogos]

lhc7664 Thank you for the reply.

I'm pretty sure, even if I haven't gone there, that the environment is very nice, good people, and it's needless to say that I would love that job.
The reason why I asked if there are good possibilities to get it, is because if there are, you can prepare it more willingly, rather than an "impossible" job.

For example, it's quite frustrating to do my best for preparing an assessment, when only 10% get it.

[Hawker400]

Thanks for your info! Can you tell me about how much you spent in total for the stages with Sunexpress? I just passed the first OSM stage (kind of preliminary but still) I would like to try sunexpress, but only if the cost permits. I'm in another hold pool at the moment, but I'm not into putting all my eggs in one basket. I can easily say it was +1000€ for that one.

Also with the type-rating coming from the salary how much do you expect to take home? (You can DM me if you want) PJN (http://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/jobs/SunExpress) gives a summary but doesn't specify before or after type costs.

I heard you get a place during training + 500€ take-home, if you can confirm?

Sorry for the load of questions and congratulations for passing the stages.

I'm totally on board with living in Turkey and the lower cost of living + myidtravel (if it's still the case with THY and LH?) is a decent offer.

[lhc7664]

lhc7664 Thank you for the reply.

I'm pretty sure, even if I haven't gone there, that the environment is very nice, good people, and it's needless to say that I would love that job.
The reason why I asked if there are good possibilities to get it, is because if there are, you can prepare it more willingly, rather than an "impossible" job.

For example, it's quite frustrating to do my best for preparing an assessment, when only 10% get it.
I understand.. If you train for it, you´ll have a much higher chance of getting through than 10%..

Also mind that the company actually provides free tickets with SXS to and from the assessments. They provide free transportation from the hotel to the assessment. And the sim is done in a full motion 737 simulator! Bottom line is that they actually invest a lot in the candidates, so I really do believe that they wan´t them all to pass and get all the way through..

[lhc7664]

Thanks for your info! Can you tell me about how much you spent in total for the stages with Sunexpress? I just passed the first OSM stage (kind of preliminary but still) I would like to try sunexpress, but only if the cost permits. I'm in another hold pool at the moment, but I'm not into putting all my eggs in one basket. I can easily say it was +1000€ for that one.

Also with the type-rating coming from the salary how much do you expect to take home? (You can DM me if you want) PJN (http://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/jobs/SunExpress) gives a summary but doesn't specify before or after type costs.

I heard you get a place during training + 500€ take-home, if you can confirm?

Sorry for the load of questions and congratulations for passing the stages.

I'm totally on board with living in Turkey and the lower cost of living + myidtravel (if it's still the case with THY and LH?) is a decent offer.
The hotel was 45 Euro if I remember correctly. And I was fortunate enough to have SunExpress flights from my home city to Antalya almost daily so flight tickets were provided free of charge. You do have to pay for the Mollymawk though which was 150 Euro.

I´m still waiting for a start date and a contract, so I don´t know anything specific about take home pay etc. yet. However they provide hotel during training + first week on assigned base after completing training. And I can confirm the 500 Euro during training.

[Hawker400]

Thanks for the information! Hope your contract comes soon

[stoneangel]

3 separate steps....even though it is paid by the company it is not so convenient when we get a job :/ ....how many off days to ask for one stage ? 3 off maybe ?

[polskiland]

3 separate steps....even though it is paid by the company it is not so convenient when we get a job :/ ....how many off days to ask for one stage ? 3 off maybe ?

Expenses paied by the company full motion sim, one of the few still recruiting and still complaining, your username really checks out doesn't it

[stoneangel]

yeah but, nowadays, some online tests could be done from home....no need to pollute the air more than necessary, don't think so? it's nonsense. What's the technology for ?
Yes you're right, Im sure Snexpress is flexible and let its pilots to leave anytime on request to take any selection as well.

[James Ken McIntosh]

Looking at PJN

your required to have a

University Degree
Be a Turkish Citizen

is is it true?

[Prospective_Pilot]

B77WPilot Hey I've been invited for the Mollymawk assessment on the 27 as well. Are you using any other preparation software for the 3 aptitude tests (Time Sharing, Working Memory, Spatial Orientation) apart from the official site itself? Thanks.

[stoneangel]

I think it's true, they ask turkish nationality...
It is similar with air astana : they hire through agency, and in the ads you see NTR pilots and then suddenly they ask Type rated !
something wrong somewhere

[Hawker400]

I'm not sure about the university degree (I haven't been asked for it), But Turkish nationality isn't current info anymore. There's been 2 posters here that were waiting for work permit after completing everything.

[B77WPilot]

Anyone going on the 29th of August for the mollymawk?

[NicolaiN]

B77WPilot Hey I've been invited for the Mollymawk assessment on the 27 as well. Are you using any other preparation software for the 3 aptitude tests (Time Sharing, Working Memory, Spatial Orientation) apart from the official site itself? Thanks.

I highly recommend that you check out ATPL.tv

[NicolaiN]

I think it's true, they ask turkish nationality...
It is similar with air astana : they hire through agency, and in the ads you see NTR pilots and then suddenly they ask Type rated !
something wrong somewhere

you are not required to be from Turkey to apply or get the job

[NicolaiN]

Looking at PJN

your required to have a

University Degree
Be a Turkish Citizen

is is it true?




No, look at the requirements on SXS own website.
neither an university degree or Turkish nationality is required

[NicolaiN]

yeah but, nowadays, some online tests could be done from home....no need to pollute the air more than necessary, don't think so? it's nonsense. What's the technology for ?
Yes you're right, Im sure Snexpress is flexible and let its pilots to leave anytime on request to take any selection as well.

They want you to go to Turkey.. If you cant take the time out to go there and do they test, then you should not apply. You will be asked to do an online english test beforehand.

The mollymawk is just like a DLR or IP-BQ tests.
You can only do them at the test centre, so everyone is doing it at the same time, in the same environment, with the same equipment.

The airplane is flying with or without you .. might as well be on it ..

[vp89]

Just a quickie,
Any idea on the purpose of OSM Aviation in the recruitment process?

[OB.1976]

Just wanted to give a bit of an insight into my experience with SXS recruitment.

So to begin with there is the ITEP which is not difficult at all whether you are a native English speaker or not if you have level 4 or above English you should be able to pass this.

Then comes the first visit to Antalya to take the Mollymawk’s (you do have to pay for these tests by the way folks), again these are not the most difficult of aptitude tests! Yes you do need to practice or you will indeed fail them but when I did mine most of the guys passed and here’s the other bonus...if you do happen to fail them they will give you the chance to re-take them so failing the Mollymawk’s isn’t an instant out!

After the you have the Mollymawk results you will be invited to a simulator assessment in Antalya again. This assessment is undertaken in a Level D 737-800 sim and the HR team will issue you with a simulator assessment guide so you can study and practice in the run up to the assessment. There are no surprises with the assessment and for guys fresh out of flight school there aren’t any failures to deal with either. You will pass this assessment if you have good handling skills but you must also be a good crew member, if the SXS pilot that is sat next to you points something out tell them you’re correcting and correct it!! They are looking for perfection they are looking for a good crew member with a reasonable flying ability. You will find out within a couple of days if you have been successful (at this stage I would guess the pass rate is around 50% or so)

Once you have passed this you will then make a third and final visit to Antalya for the interview. I cannot stress enough that you must study for this!! (I found Ace the Technical Pilot Interview book to be extremely helpful as it gives you the perfect basis of knowledge to be successful in this interview). Regarding the interview format you will begin with some questions from HR which delves into your background and how you find yourself sat in front of the interviewers today. After this come the technical questions, expect some these to be related back to what you wrote on the self presentation document as it seems they are wanting to see not only what you have learnt from your ATPLs but also from past experiences, I was also given a few quick fire mental arithmetic questions and ATC read backs to complete. Then comes the psychologist (Melina Rauch - Owner of the Mollymawk tears) she is a very nice person and will just ask you a few questions to try and get an idea of your personality, nothing too difficult, just be honest and this part will be the easiest of the interview. After this is finished they will ask you to leave the room whilst the deliberate, within 5 to 10 minutes you will be called back in and you will find out there and then if you have been successful, whether you are or aren’t they will give you a debrief and offer you advice to take forward with you.

I will say I have been lucky and I am due to start in autumn subject to my work permit being approved (shouldn’t be a problem there but always be cautious) but this has been one of the most straightforward recruitment processes I have been through. There is a lot of time for you to prepare yourself thoroughly and if you do prepare yourself thoroughly then there is no reason that you shouldn’t be able to pass all stages and be offered a position flying 737-800s!

You will find everyone that you come into contact with at SXS cannot help you enough and they are probably the most friendly team of recruiters I have encountered. If anyone wants to know anymore or anyone is starting in autumn feel free to PM me!


Hi PilotLew!,

You've been kind for all your information. Could you give me more details about maths, science and english, please ?

[Mili86]

Hello guys..
does anybody have an email address for the recruitment team?
I need to contact them.

thanks

[mavi8or]

Hey guys,

I got the impresion of the final stage interview pass rate to be quite high based on the positive results/feedbacks written on SXS related forums, coz never read about anyone getting rejected. So is it the case or only people who got the positive answer cared to talk about it while other fellows with negative results don't care to share their thoughts?
And how about the type rating course? did anyone from this year's intake finally start after this long waiting time or still waiting? Any more info/schedule given by the company?

Cheers

[MarTaq]

B77WPilot Hey I've been invited for the Mollymawk assessment on the 27 as well. Are you using any other preparation software for the 3 aptitude tests (Time Sharing, Working Memory, Spatial Orientation) apart from the official site itself? Thanks.
Hey, how did it go?

[Hogos]

Hi guys !
Does anyone know if a recently passed DLR could be recognised in place of the Mallymawk test ?
Because in the initial stage of my application I ticked "No DLR taken".
Now I have recently passed it for another airline.
It would be great !

Thanks

[miguelcosta1]

Hi guys anyone here that is starting type rating in december?
Cheers

[PilotLew]

Hi guys anyone here that is starting type rating in december?
Cheers

I start on 21st October.

Anyone else out there starting on 21st October?

[lhc7664]

I start on 21st October.

Anyone else out there starting on 21st October?

I´m starting the 21st as well.

[James Ken McIntosh]

I start on 21st October.

Anyone else out there starting on 21st October?



Have we met before?

Where you back at HQ in March ?

[miguelcosta1]

I start on 21st October.

Anyone else out there starting on 21st October?


Do you have any idea of how many people per course though?
Start in december the type rating and would be nice to know someone else in the same situation as me before that. A friend of mine is starting in November.
Cheers

[Pilotman14]

Hey guys, recently applied for the NTR FO on the Sun Express Website. Its been 3 weeks since I sent my application.
Does anyone know how long they take to respond.

Thanks

[OldDreamer]

Does anyone know the conditions after employed?

Take home pay after and before TR?
Rooster?
Free Tickets?
Commuting?

[vatir]

Hi Guys,

In regards with the Math and Science questions, is a calculator allowed to be used?

[r0zvram]

Hi Guys,

In regards with the Math and Science questions, is a calculator allowed to be used?
No, that is not allowed

[lhc7664]

Does anyone know the conditions after employed?

Take home pay after and before TR?
Rooster?
Free Tickets?
Commuting?

The conditions in SunExpress has improved considerably from the start of this year.

Full salary from day 1 of type rating. Hotel and transportation is arranged by the company during training.
Basic salary has increased compared to the numbers in pilotjobsnetwork - Paid annual leave has almost doubled.
The roster has improved considerably as well - during summer months everyone is guaranteed 4 consecutive days off, and in the winter months 5 consecutive days off. There is a request system, so you can request which days you´ll prefer off the next month.

The type rating is "self-sponsored". You don´t pay anything up front, but they will deduct your salary each month for a 3 year period. BUT after 3 years - if you stay in the company - they will pay the full type rating cost back in installments for the next 3 or 4 years. I´m not 100% sure how the payback will be and over how long a period as this is still very new.

SunExpress has a pretty good deal with MyId travel for you, your partner, kids, parents and siblings.

Upgrades for command after 3 years.

All in all a pretty good company! Salaries are net, so all the numbers are take home pay. Considering the living expenses in Turkey you can have a really good life here!

[Amidoo]

Thanks lhc7664 for the details ! Big improvements indeed.

Is this for new joiners only ?
Do you have any idea when the next round of type ratings will be ?

Cheers

[BeyonceWheels]

Anyone had recent assessments here and how did they go, thanks!

[Kaillou]

Just received an email from Sunexpress HR stating that they dont need any more pilots.

[r0zvram]

Just received an email from Sunexpress HR stating that they dont need any more pilots.

How far are you in the process?

[Kaillou]

Nowhere, i just applied on their website 2 months ago. I updated my profile again yesterday and received a message today saying that i have the requirements but they don't need more people for now.

[r0zvram]

Nowhere, i just applied on their website 2 months ago. I updated my profile again yesterday and received a message today saying that i have the requirements but they don't need more people for now.

Ah ok, that's true. They froze the recruitment process. In my case, I passed the simm assessment and was waiting for an interview date.. But now I (and a few more) have to wait untill the MAX will fly again.

[Prospective_Pilot]

hi guys,

Im in the same situation as r0zvram . Passed the sim and now waiting for the MAX to be approved so that they can conduct the interviews (hopefully). Can anyone share their interview experience in detail? I'd highly appreciate the help. Thanks.