View Full Version : Why No Jaguar Pin in RAFA's Goodies for Sale?
Prangster
11th Jun 2018, 21:05
Recently manned a RAFA stand at our mayoral parade (cancelled as police couldn't find the manpower to supervise the event) Ex Jag armourer most miffed he couldn't find a Jag badge/pin whilst all the other fast jet types are represented. Protest friends, write letters,badger your MP cry foul for RAFA admit that our favourite constant thrust variable noise machine has indeed been overlooked. A pox on them I say insist this slur is on our estucheon is put right.
The B Word
11th Jun 2018, 21:29
Yeah, they did, this is for the Jag mates...:E
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.gmforum.com-vbulletin/600x591/pro_sausage_gobbler_adult_badge_grande_dfe14d293778e034a334b c1eecf285b8afab8eac.jpg
ExAscoteer
11th Jun 2018, 22:44
Don't bend down when a Jag Mate's around...
ZH875
12th Jun 2018, 08:00
Jaguar items are unlikely to be found mixed in with Fast Jet stuff.
sharpend
12th Jun 2018, 09:35
Jaguar items are unlikely to be found mixed in with Fast Jet stuff.
Bluntie cries 'Foul'. What is your definition of 'Fast Jet'? What part of fast, don't you understand? I have flown Jaguar at low level at 700 knots.
ZH875
12th Jun 2018, 09:46
700kts is almost the speed you can get a bite from the Jaguar guys.😀
I think the OP accidently moved thr throttles to "Loud". :p
Incidently - did you mean 700kts or 700mph? The latter I could believe, but the former I struggle with.
PDR
2 TWU
12th Jun 2018, 10:10
A Jaguar at 700kts is just trying to get airborne.
NutLoose
12th Jun 2018, 10:56
It was proabably still trying to catch up with the rest of them... you should have told him to buy the Phantom one, as it like this thread, shot the Jag down. :p
Get a life guys - if you flew it, you loved it, the rest of you ill informed gainsayers don't appreciate the contribution this aircraft made to the Royal Air Force.
NutLoose
12th Jun 2018, 22:19
I worked on it... Does that count, 2 Sqns and an MU
Heathrow Harry
13th Jun 2018, 06:34
Get a life guys - if you flew it, you loved it, the rest of you ill informed gainsayers don't appreciate the contribution this aircraft made to the Royal Air Force.
I'm a bit hazy on this but wasn't it some sort of trainer???? ..............exits left, pursued by a bear...........................;)
JagRigger
13th Jun 2018, 06:53
We could laugh at ourselves too though - as once found in a 700 ' Aircraft appears underpowered ' cleared with ' no fault found, aircraft is a Jaguar '
Dan Gerous
13th Jun 2018, 08:25
Maybe they sold out, as it was so popular.
The Oberon
13th Jun 2018, 10:43
There you go:-
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jaguar-Fighter-Aircraft-Lapel-Pin/323020889504?hash=item4b358b9da0:g:B6AAAOSwXXxZS-aH
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jaguar-T6-c136-Aircraft-Made-From-fine-English-Pewter-Pin-Badge/112534476089?hash=item1a3393d539:g:f2AAAOSwOgdYp2bH
Alber Ratman
13th Jun 2018, 11:26
Jag Rigger is correct. We were mostly in the bar with all our Jaguars serviceable for the morning when all the other fast jet crews were still trying to get one of theirs serviceable. :)
NutLoose
13th Jun 2018, 11:33
There you go:-
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jaguar-Fighter-Aircraft-Lapel-Pin/323020889504?hash=item4b358b9da0:g:B6AAAOSwXXxZS-aH
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jaguar-T6-c136-Aircraft-Made-From-fine-English-Pewter-Pin-Badge/112534476089?hash=item1a3393d539:g:f2AAAOSwOgdYp2bH
Fascinating, one in silver and one in bronze, no first place gold for them. :E
Pontius Navigator
13th Jun 2018, 14:57
I see the Jaguar could carry 2x600lb nukes, do Mach 1.6 at 36,000ft, ceiling at 45,000, and a lo lo lo range of 490kts.
Of course wiki isn't always accurate.
NutLoose
13th Jun 2018, 15:55
Jaguar could carry 2x600lb nukes, do Mach 1.6 at 36,000ft
Riding the blast wave? :}
Dan Gerous
14th Jun 2018, 11:10
Surf's up Dude!
I just knew this thread would be a "slate the Jaguar" thread.
All the rubbish said about it is by people who have never flown it. My 1850 hours flying the aeroplane were very enjoyable.
SHUT UP you aholes.
NutLoose
14th Jun 2018, 14:09
You could of halved those hours if you went by Tornado...Phantom... etc etc etc
:)
Sorry, one couldn't resist.
Pontius Navigator
14th Jun 2018, 15:12
In early days I gained the impression that the accident rate was quite high. I see from a 1981 report that there had been 5 crashes where the pilot lost control.
Did things improve? Again I got the impression that they did.
NutLoose
14th Jun 2018, 15:18
To be fair they were very reliable and didn't need a huge complement of manpower to look after them.
Heathrow Harry
14th Jun 2018, 18:34
Capable, reliable, rel. low cost to buy and run......
sexy no butTBH we could do with something similar right now
Alber Ratman
14th Jun 2018, 19:21
The poor cockpit ergonomics of the bolt in British avionics suite and the unreliablity of the Nav kit in the beginning were not strong points, in fact the cause of a lot of accidents especially in the first 10 years until the FIN1064 kit was incorporated. After the GR1A mods, CFITs dropped but still occured. It was only the GR1B/GR3/A upgradres were GPS and TERPROM were incorporated that CFITs became a thing of the past, bar the last Jagaur frame loss in 2001 where the TERPROM database did not include Alaska. There were no other losses up to retirement. It was never a Marmite aeroplane, everyone that flew it, loved it.
….everyone that flew it, loved it.
Well said that man. :D
Pontius Navigator
15th Jun 2018, 19:42
Alber Rat, thank you, that fits my recollection. We had, IIRC, Fin1012. The lat/long display was not in normal line of sight, you had to peer over to read it. Position entry was by joystick. Things improved a bit when a magnifier was added to each position drum.
I see the Jaguar could carry 2x600lb nukes, do Mach 1.6 at 36,000ft, ceiling at 45,000, and a lo lo lo range of 490kts.
Yes but could it do all four at the same time?
And before I get slated as another Jag hater, I spent a period on the OCU groundcrew. I enjoyed the time, it's just not my absolute favourite aircraft.
NutLoose
16th Jun 2018, 21:04
The poor cockpit ergonomics of the bolt in British avionics suite and the unreliablity of the Nav kit in the beginning were not strong points, in fact the cause of a lot of accidents especially in the first 10 years until the FIN1064 kit was incorporated. After the GR1A mods, CFITs dropped but still occured. It was only the GR1B/GR3/A upgradres were GPS and TERPROM were incorporated that CFITs became a thing of the past, bar the last Jagaur frame loss in 2001 where the TERPROM database did not include Alaska. There were no other losses up to retirement. It was never a Marmite aeroplane, everyone that flew it, loved it.
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1740/41777328144_5356c0ce95_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/26DHJa7)
Cockpit jaguar (https://flic.kr/p/26DHJa7) by Tony Taylor (https://www.flickr.com/photos/142550108@N08/), on Flickr
Pontius Navigator
17th Jun 2018, 07:01
Ogre, and your favourite therefore?
ex-fast-jets
17th Jun 2018, 20:33
After two Harrier tours, I went to the Jaguar and flew it for just 12 months before going to the USN on exchange..
Half was instructing on 226 OCU, and half was at Bruggen.
In the 12 months, I got 360 hours on the jet, and got my best ever month of 52 hours - all single seat. It was a great aircraft - not especially great at taking off - but it was a joy to fly and superb at the role assigned to it.
I really enjoyed my time on the Jaguar, and I support those who claim that those who give it grief have never actually flown it.