Emirates no windows in first

[Mr Mac]

To the cabin
Well it appears the row over window seats will disappear in the EK First class cabin as you will soon have virtual windows which according to STC are more economic - weight saving / give a better view from external cameras. Well I am sorry STC but I have spent many a long hours in your Business class looking at cameras, and out of the window, and in daylight my 57 year old eyes beat your cameras any day of the week. As you never upgrade me to First, I may never have this issue, but I fear it is coming down the Bus (no pun intended). However having probably bought a good chunk of one of your 380 undercarriages, and spending more time in the air with EK than some of your hard pressed, and evidently leaving crews this maybe the last straw. What idiot in accounts convinced you that this was a good idea - name please to name and shame. This attitude maybe why I am personally moving to SQ and LH more for my travels these days, as it is a creeping malaise through EK ie accountancy, rather than customer service. You may sleep walk into becoming BA Mk2 if you are not careful. Reap what you sow.
An unhappy
Mr Mac

[Turbine D]

Emirates no windows in first
They are thinking of your safety should one of the fan blades depart causing fragments of other parts breaking a window where you might be seated... ;)

[Haven't a clue]

So how will the typical requirement for sunblinds to be up for take off or landing to encourage situational awareness be met if the power to the things is interrupted? Will the cabin crew turn them off at night? (Or pretend night). And whilst I understand the removal of windows will add strength to the structure I​​​ struggle to understand how LCD's with the associated wiring and electronics will be lighter? Or are they planning on putting them on the existing IFE network which in my experience seems to succumb to technical problems far too often? OK maybe I'm old school and like the view but I think this idea will unleash the latent claustrophobia in everyone.

[MG23]

They need VR headsets that can hook into cameras on the outside of the aircraft, so you can see the world as though there was nothing between you and the ground.

[Peter47]

Oh well, when they get their 787-10s and a grumpy cabin crew dim all the windows during the cruise you won't be able to tell the difference.

Who knows, if we get get 4k resolution the screen will be as good as the window. With Moore's law (IT power doubles every two years) we may get there. Then again maybe not. We may need 16k resolution. I've been to a demonstration of this and it is good.

Looking at it positively, things could be better if you can't get a window seat, or are sitting over the wing or on the wrong side.

[PAXboy]

They'll probably have to put larger porthole windows in the evac rows and the regulators should insist on real windows at strategic points down both sides for real time viewing in emergency. These can have conventional manual blinds. My guess as to why carriers want to do away with fixed windows is that: with fixed windows, it limits where you can move the seats. If you want to squash the Y cabin and put the rows closer together - the windows currently provide a clear indicator for pax. My guess is they want that gone - rather than what they do in the front. As for 'weight reduction' as has been stated, what they replace them with will not be light.

My two experiences of the 787-9 and their wretched electronic windows has confirmed that I will never willingly travel on a 787 again. Simples!

[Mr Mac]

They'll probably have to put larger porthole windows in the evac rows and the regulators should insist on real windows at strategic points down both sides for real time viewing in emergency. These can have conventional manual blinds. My guess as to why carriers want to do away with fixed windows is that: with fixed windows, it limits where you can move the seats. If you want to squash the Y cabin and put the rows closer together - the windows currently provide a clear indicator for pax. My guess is they want that gone - rather than what they do in the front. As for 'weight reduction' as has been stated, what they replace them with will not be light.

My two experiences of the 787-9 and their wretched electronic windows has confirmed that I will never willingly travel on a 787 again. Simples!

PAXBoy
With you all the way re 787 a plane to avoid for me.
Regards
Mr Mac

[jolihokistix]

Three threads running now?

[Hotel Tango]

For me it's simple. No windows, no fly. It would be a good advertising campaign for those who didn't join in this totally idiotic idea, "We offer real windows"!

[S.o.S.]

No multiple threads - now! My colleagues have closed them and this is the place to discuss the proposal.

[ZFT]

They'll probably have to put larger porthole windows in the evac rows and the regulators should insist on real windows at strategic points down both sides for real time viewing in emergency. These can have conventional manual blinds. My guess as to why carriers want to do away with fixed windows is that: with fixed windows, it limits where you can move the seats. If you want to squash the Y cabin and put the rows closer together - the windows currently provide a clear indicator for pax. My guess is they want that gone - rather than what they do in the front. As for 'weight reduction' as has been stated, what they replace them with will not be light.

My two experiences of the 787-9 and their wretched electronic windows has confirmed that I will never willingly travel on a 787 again. Simples!

Like you, I avoid 787s like the plague. Not just windows but to me the overall experience is just too 'cheap and nasty,'

[BAengineer]

For me it's simple. No windows, no fly. It would be a good advertising campaign for those who didn't join in this totally idiotic idea, "We offer real windows"!

So if the only seat left was in the middle of the middle row you wouldn't fly?. I think what a lot of people are missing is that with seat configurations these days the vast majority of passengers cannot see out the windows anyway, so it is irrelevant to them whether they are there or not. Prime example being Business class on Emirates A380 - only 23% of the seats have a view of a window.

[PAXboy]

I have had to suffer without a window in the past. I now (often) pay money to ensure my window seat. Real Windows are important for me as it is the greatest delight of flying.

[Hotel Tango]

So if the only seat left was in the middle of the middle row you wouldn't fly?

BAengineer, That was not what I said! But in answer to your question, your argument (in my case) is flawed. When I fly L/H (6-12 times per annum) I NEVER end up in the middle seat of the middle row. For one I always fly Business Class and as I never have to make a late booking I always have a good selection of seats to chose from when I make my reservation. If circumstances presented themselves at the last minute where I was reassigned (for good reason) I would indeed take the flight. What I said was on the basis that if all airliners were to become windowless I simply wouldn't fly anymore, and I honestly mean it. If push comes to shove, there are plenty of great destinations reachable by other modes of transport from where I live.

[Mr Mac]

BA engineer
Like Hotel Tango I was, and to a degree still am, a reasonable regular user of EK by most peoples standard (used to do about 30+ sectors a year down to 9 last year) mostly on 380 in Business, and I have always had a window seat by specification. Indeed have to include when flying with Mrs Mac (who also likes window seat) and we invariably end up scattered around the cabin, usually meeting at the bar on the 380 ! Some people are not bothered about seeing out, others as you can see are, and for me it is important to try and get a window seat. Would I not fly if no window seat was available, of course I would, but I do try not to put myself in that situation, so that I invariably can see out.
Regards
Mr Mac

[DaveReidUK]

My guess as to why carriers want to do away with fixed windows is that: with fixed windows, it limits where you can move the seats. If you want to squash the Y cabin and put the rows closer together - the windows currently provide a clear indicator for pax. My guess is they want that gone - rather than what they do in the front.

Frame pitch - which determines the space between windows - rarely coincides with seat pitch.

Even in aircraft that are built in inches. :O

[pax britanica]

Well the front windows are much much heavier and much much more expensive so are they going to replace those by tarted up dashcams?

[PAXboy]

DRUK. Thanks, Yes, I see that. The conversion from inches must have been very painful ... Any 'innovation' these days (in almost any aspect of life) means a degrading of what has gone before. When a company writes to say they are changing and improving the product/service - it means they are only improving it for themselves. <you can insert all relevant emojis here>