DUPLICITY

[Flex88]

SCMP 6 June

Cathay Pacific CEO Rupert Hogg vows to close gender gap as flight director?s departure means no women on Hong Kong airline?s top deck | South China Morning Post (http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/hong-kong-economy/article/2149289/cathay-pacific-ceo-vows-close-gender-gap-flight)

The Hogman vows to close the "gender gap" as the only "senior" woman at CX departs ??? What?
Let me get this straight, Hogg, The CEO of Cathay Pacific (a Swire Prince) and his Swire counterparts REMOVED (article said she's leaving) Ms. Thompson from her "Senior" position and now he's bemoaning the fact that there are no women in senior positions ??? If that's the case, he (the CEO) should have left her where she was and not "removed" her.
Can I get a reality check here?
The Swire Company, as they are so politically correct these days, control 100% of who they hire and in particular the gender ratio of their Swire Prince & Princesses when they are inducted as they pop out of Cambridge - Oxford etc. That said, it is Mr. Hogg and his Swire ilk who are wholly responsible for this situation, absolutely nobody else. He should wear this problem like he actually is a "Senior Leader", and own up to the issue Swires are responsible for but no, he will deflect it as usual. Pathetic.
BTW, when companies start remodelling themselves looking for equality of outcome (on any level however particularly on the gender of their management), it's time to run for the doors.
A good corporate thought process "should" be, I want the best, most experienced and qualified person for the task and their sex should be completely irrelevant. (I completely understand this last sentence IS NOT in the CX management thought process - Dilbert is more akin to how it works under the CX umbrella)
#CXit
My own thoughts Mr. Hogg, pay more attention to what you are supposed to be doing and perhaps we won't loose another 5 or 6 BILLION USD in Fuel Hedging and/or lost criminal lawsuit's. (dare I mention the costly "renewable fuel" PR farce ? )

[crwkunt roll]

we won't loose 5 or 6 BILLION USD
The bets on the fuel couldn't have been any looser.
If that's the case, they should have left her where she was and not "removed" her.
As long as somebody is capable and competent then there should be no problem whatever sex that person may be. For whatever reason(s), they had to remove her.

[Captain Dart]

It's being fixed, at lower levels in the company at least. Most of the record number of pilot resignations under RH and AT's watch would be male.

[swh]

Meanwhile in other news “Only a man can run an airline”
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-44369163

[Betsy]

Meanwhile in other news “Only a man can run an airline”
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-44369163
Yes, not run by monkeys who are trying to save peanuts by cutting fuel consumption, crew briefing time, decent hotels.. and packets of peanuts on certain flights.

[mr did]

Old quote: "A Swire Prince is like a lighthouse in the desert. Incredibly bright but of no F@#$ing use to anyone"

Perhaps the new Chief Wizard: Merlin, can pull something out of his "wizard's sleeve" and get these Lighthouses doing something that works.

[Oasis]

I like equality of opportunity for the females, males and the 49 other genders, but how is this helping us become profitable again?
However important, more than closing the gender gap, we should be worried about how we are going to succeed.
I hope Hogg has his eye on the right ball.

[Flex88]

However important, more than closing the gender gap, we should be worried about how we are going to succeed.
I hope Hogg has his eye on the right ball.[/QUOTE]

Nah, Biofuels (renewable?) + the Weekly Update say it all. Virtue signalling & the "We Are Green" garbage tell the complete story.

#CXit

[Frogman1484]

It’s all talk...there is major discrimination happening all over Cx.

age discrimination for cos 99 pilots and cabin crew
discrimination agains captains with no 13 th month
discrimination again cabin crew who have to sue cx in order to wear pants

the list goes on and on!!!

[mngmt mole]

The AOA needs to address and respond to this allegation. There is nothing lower than victimizing an employee if they are sick and at risk of losing their license. Is this true? If so, then there can be no bigger issue to be resolved prior to the lifting of Cc and TB. This can affect ALL of us when we and our families are at our most vulnerable moment and it is unconscionable if there is truth to this story. AOA, what are the facts?

[Freehills]

The new GMA comes from 'procurement' background. So crew can expect to be treated more than ever as resource/ widgets/production units.

[broadband circuit]

So crew can expect to be treated more than ever as resource/ widgets/production units.

That can't be any worse than being a "cost centre code", can it ????

[mngmt mole]

The new GMA comes from 'procurement' background. So crew can expect to be treated more than ever as resource/ widgets/production units.

only if the crew allow themselves to be treated as such. I for one am not inclined to let that happen. If he should attempt to go down that ill-advised path we should collectively provide an “attitude adjustment”. I think the days of being abused by management are pretty well over.

[Liam Gallagher]

Big thread drift warning;

And that children is why you don't post on yammer:ugh:

[The FUB]

Affectionately known as Yammercide

[TurningFinalRWY36]

what happened/what will happen to said individual

[Flex88]

I see from the latest DFO newsletter that the (EX) Paris based pilots "have finally reached a settlement" in regard to their eviction from the base 6 years ago ???

I typed all this into my Dick Tracey decoding machine to find out what it really means.

" The company after 6 years of telling the displaced crew to pi** off and spending $$$$$$$$$ on HK and European lawyers finally buckled". This, more than likely, following their lawyers advice "pay up, you're going to lose and you will get hosed in a very big way".
In other words, they were going to lose another law suit caused entirely by another incompetent DFO/DirPPL combination.

Once again, another group of "Leaders" screws up, collects their fat bonuses and leaves behind an expensive mess for the next suckers to clean up and pay for.

I can't even remember which incompetent DFO was responsible for this..

TIME TO WIN :D

[mngmt mole]

Arrogance, narcissism, stupidity, reckless disregard for law, jurisdiction and plain common decency. And these are the same people who are imploring us to trust them.

[mngmt mole]

Question for Swire managers: After you are employed by Swire, what week of the management training course is dedicated to “immoral disregard for law and common decency “. ?

[rustyoldtin]

I hope as part of the settlement with the union that the company refunded all the fees / money the union spent on the case.

[Starbear]

Question for Swire managers: After you are employed by Swire, what week of the management training course is dedicated to “immoral disregard for law and common decency “. ?

Perhaps ask that question of the jellyfish as he had to go though the course twice before being deemed competent, allegedly. And if so should be more up to date on the details than most.

[positionalpor]

In the mean time the flight deck resembles more and more a conference room where pilots are sharing comments about their interviews at other airlines or what date is their last day at cx. Not a hint of regret on their faces by the way.
Wonder if our brilliant managers realised what they have done. Throw away thousands of dollars, manpower, resources etc. for what? Manage to piss off an entire and essential part of your company. Great achievements, well done cretins.

[Apple Tree Yard]

My FO on Sunday...showing me his email from Qantas congratulating him on being hired. And so it goes....

[cannot]

Positionalpor : I hate to say it, but I firmly believe they just don’t care ,or simply do not have the capacity to grasp the magnitude of the situation that is about to engulf them until there are airframes parked all over CLK .
At the present time flights are going on schedule so in their eyes everything is fine . Unfortunately There are none so blind as those who do not wish to see .

[Shep69]

All part of the master plan.

"I see you've reduced operating costs by over 10 percent, Ms. Blonde. Well done ! We've been trying to do that for years. If you don't mind my asking, how did you do it ?"

"Easy you silly goose -- I just went out and fired a bunch of those expensive pilots."

"Well, if you got rid of the pilots, who's going to fly the airplanes ?"

"Airplanes ?"

[Flex88]

Had a walk through the mail room after my last flight. 249 "R"s on mail boxes !!
It's only the first week of July........

[Avinthenews]

My FO on Sunday...showing me his email from Qantas congratulating him on being hired. And so it goes....

I wonder if Swire even knows that the head of Qantas pilot recruitment was until a couple of months ago the cx pilot recruitment manager. What a joke this piece of Swire conglomerate has become, I'm loathed to call it an airline.

Hope she's fast tracking cx applications, good luck so those lucky to be leaving this sinking ship.

[Liam Gallagher]

Flex88,

Whoa... Hold the phone!!

Are you saying the company are dumb enough to put an "R" on the mailbox of people that have resigned? Are these people who have resigned and left the company or people serving their notice, or both? Seriously, did you count 249 "Rs" or is this a wind-up?

Must be a wind-up, pilots can't count to 249 without taking off their shoes and socks.

[positionalpor]

Just wait for the ARAPA deal and the basing review to be announced and you will see 249 R in a month

[Flex88]

Flex88,

Whoa... Hold the phone!!

Are you saying the company are dumb enough to put an "R" on the mailbox of people that have resigned? Are these people who have resigned and left the company or people serving their notice, or both? Seriously, did you count 249 "Rs" or is this a wind-up?

Must be a wind-up, pilots can't count to 249 without taking off their shoes and socks.

249, count em yourself.. I think retirement and resignation all get same R..

CXit

[Trafalgar]

Good grief, “249” or “159”....is anyone arguing that the floodgates haven’t opened? I suspect that the worlds major airline recruiting departments are about to owe CX management a debt of gratitude. The only real TTW will be those same airlines. 👍

[TurningFinalRWY36]

Isn't it obvious though. Management would rather downsize the airline before they concede. The 330s will go, 777s are being returned, there won't be a crewing crisis.

[Farman Biplane]

Every pilot that leaves is replaced with one on a lower pay scale/increment. This is all the accountants aim for.
Never mind the training/upgrade costs, they are cheap when amortised over the forecast career.
This is why the training ban is effective, regardless of cost, they cannot train replacements if they have no trainers. That said, I am surprised the accountants have not contracted A and B and others for training services as a package with buying their shiny jets.
Every retiree and resignation is seen as a cost saving by the accountants. They don’t even have to do anything to take the credit!

[Progress Wanchai]

I hope as part of the settlement with the union that the company refunded all the fees / money the union spent on the case.

This is an important point. It wasn’t just the company lawyers who hit gold with this fiasco, the AOA also had to pay hefty legal bills in 2 countries. Each and every AOA member is significantly out of money due to the company’s ineptitude.
The good news is, full refunds are available, with interest. Collect yours next time you go to work. There are numerous ways of doing this.

[VforVENDETTA]

Arrogance, narcissism, stupidity, reckless disregard for law, jurisdiction and plain common decency. And these are the same people who are imploring us to trust them.

Perfectly said. The old tried and always failed colonial attitude and standard practice. Incompetence being the most core characteristic of the management teams and individuals running this joint, at all levels. Back to the original subject, they treat us all like sh!t. Even if they now somehow treat us all equally, it still leaves a lot to be desired. People are not commodities. They're the heart of the organization, whether it's a commercial or military organization. This lesson has been learned the hard way periodically in human history since the ancient times and yet these geniuses running this organization insist on learning lessons the hard way, the stupid way, from their own mistakes and they fail at even that low level of learning.

I sat thru 45 minutes of RH giving his pep talk speech during fleet forum recently. For 45 minutes of talking (...and at times whispering) he talked all about the strategic and tactical challenges, competition, fleet deployments and market forces and pressures etc. basically how we face challenges in business terms. The man never once used the word People, never mind Our People. Never once said how unless we all stand behind the company's efforts, we won't succeed. Like our help or good will doesn't matter or is just assumed. Not even a fake display of people skills or leadership charisma. That's how out of touch and clueless of a leaders we have here, top to bottom. Exceptions are too few and far in between. Without our good will and effort, nothing they attempt will work. This basic fact is badly lost of them. They have no idea how high the level of bad will is among the employees and how much money it's costing the company every single day.

[mngmt mole]

....oh, but they will

[mr did]

Rumours circulating that a matter of months left before there aren't enough STCs to continue with normal operations, CAD to (finally) intervene??

[Avinthenews]

Rumours circulating that a matter of months left before there aren't enough STCs to continue with normal operations, CAD to (finally) intervene??

Unfortunately the CAD are civil servants with no clue what to do, they'll simply ask cx and take their recommendations.

[VforVENDETTA]

The HKCAD is not a real regulatory agency. Their reputation is well established at rock bottom in this regard. Good luck to anyone thinking otherwise.

[Toruk Macto]

Are slots at risk if flights are continuously cancelled ?

[betpump5]

Not when you pay "insurance" to the right people....

[Freehills]

IATA rules are that you can cancel upto 20%

[Flex88]

IATA rules are that you can cancel upto 20%

You must ask, does CX or the HKCAD follow IATA, FAA or EASA rules/norms or are they for "guidance" only ?? Do they follow the world wide rules for Age Discrimination ??

Google "Cathay Pacific Loses Lawsuit" or " Cathay Pacific Settles Lawsuit" and you will see how much they follow rules.

Insulting is when they changed their CX status from Managers to "Leadership" Can't wait till they "Lead" us into another lawsuit. Oh wait, the "leaders" just settled another one a week ago; c'est la vie....

#CXit

[Liam Gallagher]

IATA Ruies?

Don't forget IATA is the trade association for the world's airlines. That means it's funded by the airlines to look after their interests. I therefore wouldn't glorify any adherence to IATA rules.

[Liam Gallagher]

Are management concerned about the 249 "R"s on the mailboxes?

Damn right they are!! So concerned they are planning on removing all the mailboxes. Problems solved, G&Ts all round and another million in the bonus pot.

TTW = Total Train Wreak.

[mngmt mole]

Those are 249 people who are generally much happier than they were when their names were on the boxes. Most have found happier lives and careers back home. Congrats to them.

[YeahNahYeah]

I gotta say, now happily departed, it's amazing how infrequently I think about CX, and how little a **** people give when I describe my time there.

Life is good outside the bubble!