Looks like the Cabri's got some competition!

[r22butters]

Its called the Zefhir and it looks pretty cool if you ask me!

https://youtu.be/RcAQKQINDKc

https://www.verticalmag.com/press-releases/curti-aerospace-unveils-zefhir-helicopter/

,...well at least the link works, don't know what's up with the video?

[9Aplus]

Collective on wrong side ?!
Tethering rotor :/
The only good news is nice PBS turbine....

[HeliHenri]

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Very modern and original look especially with the ballistic parachute above the rotor !

[Bell_ringer]

Looks a lot like that other Italian concoction the FAMA KISS which has done little.

[HeliHenri]

Looks a lot like that other Italian concoction the FAMA KISS which has done little.

Hello Bell_ringer,

Curti Aerospace is a reputed company in the aerospace supplier industry so this project can succeed.

But this helicopter belongs to the ultra-light and experimental categories so I don't understand the title of this thread except that the OP is a 100% basher about a model (G2 in this case), an attitude he criticizes in some members of the forum ...
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[aa777888]

Cool looking helicopter. If would not be even close to an ultralight in the US, indeed it's claimed maximum gross weight is higher than that of an R22 Beta II. Other spec's appear to be about the same as an R22, except for baggage space which is substantially improved by probably a factor of 8!

Sadly, with a turbine, electronics and carbon fiber, it seems rather unlikely it will be less expensive to obtain and maintain than the old 22. It might not auto any better, either. Still, a FADEC controlled turbine...fingers crossed!

[miller745]

RcAQKQINDKc



You just need the youtube video ID (RcAQKQINDKc) between the tags, not the full URL.

[GrayHorizonsHeli]

looks better than a 505.:ok:

I always like to see the creations from people with a desire to build something new for the market.

Too bad I am in Canada and the governments are all taxing us to death. I would really like to beat the city traffic with something like this. Unfortunately I'll be bankrupt just living, long before I can feel broke buying the fuel for my new transportation.

Back on the bicycle I go.....*sigh.

[John R81]

Why put the collective on the right?

[whoknows idont]

Why put the collective on the right?

Doesn't seem like they did, judging by a quick google image search. I bet the scene in the video was mirrored for artistic purposes by an aspiring video producer. In the end they didn't change it because it looks good and they are Italian.

This helicopter looks rather like the R22 got some competition. Like so many other ultra light prototypes that popped up over the last years.
At least this one has a rotor head that looks somewhat sturdy.

[r22butters]

Hello Bell_ringer,

Curti Aerospace is a reputed company in the aerospace supplier industry so this project can succeed.

But this helicopter belongs to the ultra-light and experimental categories so I don't understand the title of this thread except that the OP is a 100% basher about a model (G2 in this case), an attitude he criticizes in some members of the forum ...
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Actually, the only "bashing" of the Cabri I do is about its price,...cannot comment (or "bash ") its performance because I cannot see a reason to pay $105 more to fly it!

If you want me to pay more than an R22, you have to give me something for that extra cash. With the R44 I get two additional seats plus R44 hours, which can (and did) lead to a low time pilot job.

With this Zefhir, if I have to pay more, at least I'm getting turbine hours which can lead to an entry-level turbine job in the Grand Canyon,...if I ever desired one.

Paying more to fly the Cabri gets me nothing!

,...anyway, its a new and modern two-seater with a better engine,...hence the title!

[HeliHenri]

With this Zefhir, if I have to pay more, at least I'm getting turbine hours which can lead to an entry-level turbine job in the Grand Canyon,...if I ever desired one.!

Hello 22butters,

That's a pity you don't read the messages in full.
You wont get an entry level turbine job by flying this Zefhir because this is an helicopter from the ultralight caregory.
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[md 600 driver]

R22 butters
Paying more to fly the Cabri gets me nothing

how about your life !!!!

[r22butters]

Hello 22butters,

That's a pity you don't read the messages in full.
You wont get an entry level turbine job by flying this Zefhir because this is an helicopter from the ultralight caregory.
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This has come up before. I remember a guy who wrote about building time in a helicycle then getting on at the Grand Canyon. Seems, if you can pass the interview flight, turbine time is turbine time they don't care!

[r22butters]

R22 butters
Paying more to fly the Cabri gets me nothing

how about your life !!!!

Fifteen years and thirty-five different R22s,...sorry pal I ain't drinking the Cabri Coolaid! :ugh:

[Nubian]

Fifteen years and thirty-five different R22s,...sorry pal I ain't drinking the Cabri Coolaid! :ugh:

After 15 years, and only got to a entrylevel job?!? all in the Robinsons....!! heck, that might qualify for the Guinnes Book of records!

[Ascend Charlie]

Steady on, Butters is very picky about who he works for. They gotta provide donuts, have a coffee cup holder on the dash, and a video screen running Family Guy and South Park for the passengers. He has only found one of those so far, and when the employer changed from Krispy Kreme to Donut King, Butters, rightly, left.

[rjtjrt]

This is getting totally out of hand. There are some shameful, nasty things being written.
In the end, what someone likes or dislikes is nothing to get personal about. So what if someone likes or dislikes the 22, or a 300, or anything else.

[r22butters]

After 15 years, and only got to a entrylevel job?!? all in the Robinsons....!! heck, that might qualify for the Guinnes Book of records!

Do I get a donut for that?

[aa777888]

That's a pity you don't read the messages in full.
You wont get an entry level turbine job by flying this Zefhir because this is an helicopter from the ultralight caregory.Nor do you, hh. It would not be an ultralight in the US.

[9Aplus]

This has come up before. I remember a guy who wrote about building time in a helicycle then getting on at the Grand Canyon. Seems, if you can pass the interview flight, turbine time is turbine time they don't care!

Second to that, I remember second one who gain job on offshore single turbine after 1000 h on helicycle...

[212man]

Collective on wrong side ?!
Tethering rotor :/
The only good news is nice PBS turbine....
looking at other videos I suspect that portion was in mirror image and it has conventional controls. Not sure how track and balance will suffer having a fabric parachute in a box on the head!

[skadi]

looking at other videos I suspect that portion was in mirror image and it has conventional controls. Not sure how track and balance will suffer having a fabric parachute in a box on the head!




I think, the box is static and not turning with the rotor.

skadi

[HeliHenri]

What makes you believe this is an ultra light? The article mentions it is fulfilling CS-27 requirements, and as already mentioned, the MTOW is slightly more than a R22.

Hello TorqueStripe,

I try to stick to facts about technicals matters and safety (I'm a kind of a safety maniac I must say, sorry about that !).

The article say that Curty is folowing closely CS-27 and that is a very good thing (if it's true) but there is a slight difference between to folow closely and to comply : the certification !
Zefhir come from the DISRUPT european project that was conceived to "satisfay market demand for a more secure and reliable ultralight helicopter" : Disrupt (http://fti-disrupt.eu)

And if you read in full the article you'll read "in light of the new European regulation which will raise the take-off weight limit to 600 kilograms, the procedure to obtain a Type Certificate as ultralight with DULV (Deutschen Ultraleichtflugverband) is underway. This certification will in the next few months open the way to use Zefhir for all recreational and sports applications, as well as flight schools for ultralight helicopters, in Germany and in any country that recognizes the German ultralight certification."
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[HeliHenri]

Nor do you, hh. It would not be an ultralight in the US.

Hello aa777888,
I do read read the posts.
It will not fly in the US, it will be (if the project comes to an happy end) an ultralight in Europe so too heavy for the US.
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[9Aplus]

It is known fact that this version of PBS turbine is not certified. That may be the major obstacle along the way of full CS27 certification.

[whoknows idont]

Project co-funded by European Commission (http://ec.europa.eu/) under the SME Instrument (http://ec.europa.eu/programmes/horizon2020/en/h2020-section/sme-instrument), Horizon 2020 (http://ec.europa.eu/programmes/horizon2020/).

So yet another project aimed at milking the EU cash cow, just like the Diesel EC120?
.Small and Medium-sized Enterprises that are EU-based or established in a country associated to Horizon 2020 can now get EU funding and support for breakthrough innovation projects with a market-creating potential under revamped SME instrument, which is rolled out as part of the European Innovation Council (EIC) pilot. The SME instrument will boost fast company growth and market-creating innovation thanks to staged funding and ramped up business acceleration services.The SME instrument is part of the European Innovation Council pilot (http://ec.europa.eu/research/eic)(EIC pilot). This was launched on 27th October 2017 as part of the Horizon 2020 Work programme 2018-2020 (http://ec.europa.eu/research/participants/portal/desktop/en/funding/reference_docs.html#h2020-work-programmes-2018-20), when the SME Instrument, the Fast Track to Innovation (https://ec.europa.eu/programmes/horizon2020/en/h2020-section/fast-track-innovation-pilot) (FTI), Future and Emerging Technologies (FET) Open (https://ec.europa.eu/programmes/horizon2020/en/node/2932)and Horizon Prizes (https://ec.europa.eu/programmes/horizon2020/en/node/2933), were brought under the EIC pilot umbrella, to provide a 'one stop shop' for funding of innovators/innovations in the EU.Horizon 2020 funds high-potential innovation developed by SMEs through the SME instrument. The SME instrument offers Europe's brightest and boldest entrepreneurs the chance to step forward and request funding for breakthrough ideas with the potential to create entirely new markets or revolutionise existing ones.Provided with about € 1.6 billion in funding over the period 2018-2020, the SME Instrument will support groundbreaking innovative ideas for products, services or processes that are ready to conquer global markets. Available to SMEs only, the new scheme offers phased, progressive and complementary support to the development of out-of-the-box ideas. There are no predefined topics for the SME instrument call; only the most excellent and impactful ideas will receive support.In the last three years of implementation, around 4000 SMEs will be selected to receive funding under the SME instrument call (http://ec.europa.eu/research/participants/portal/desktop/en/opportunities/h2020/ftags/sme_instrument.html#c,topics=flags/s/SME/1/1&+callIdentifier/desc).What support is available?The SME instrument supports close-to-market activities, with the aim to give a strong boost to breakthrough innovation with a market-creating potential. Highly innovative SMEs with a clear commercial ambition and a potential for high growth and internationalisation are the prime target.The SME Instrument offers small and medium-sized businesses the following:

Business innovation grants for feasibility assessment purposes (optional phase I): EUR 50,000 (lump sum) per project (70% of total cost of the project);
Business innovation grants for innovation development & demonstration purposes (possible phase II): an amount in the indicative range of EUR 500,000 and 2,5 million (70% of total cost of the project as a general rule);
Free-of-charge business coaching (optional) in order to support and enhance the firm’s innovation capacity and help align the project to strategic business needs;
Access to a wide range of other business acceleration services and facilitated access to risk finance, to facilitate the commercial exploitation of the innovation.

[HeliHenri]

It is known fact that this version of PBS turbine is not certified. That may be the major obstacle along the way of full CS27 certification.

Hello D,
Everything is difficult to get certified !
I don't even think about the ballistic parachute !
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