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ORAC
21st May 2018, 06:17
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/raf-takes-control-of-defence-in-space-m6gbjw6q9

RAF takes control of defence in space

The Royal Air Force has taken control of military space operations and the number of staff employed on defending Britain’s interests outside the earth’s atmosphere will grow by a fifth to 600. Gavin Williamson, the defence secretary, revealed details of this emerging dimension of warfare as he said that a new space strategy would focus on developing a satellite navigation system separate to the EU project that Britain could be excluded from after Brexit.

“We must make sure we are primed and ready to deter and counter the intensifying threats to our everyday life that are emerging in space,” Mr Williamson said before the country’s first defence space conference, which opens in London today. “Satellite technology is not just a crucial tool for our armed forces but vital to our way of life, whether that be access to our mobile phones, the internet or television. It is essential we protect our interests and assets from potential adversaries who seek to cause major disruption and do us harm.”......

“I am determined to ensure that the RAF’s leadership of military space operations transforms our ability to address the growing threats and hazards,” Air Chief Marshal Sir Stephen Hillier, head of the air force, will tell the conference. He said Britain had to be ready to fight states such as Russia in space. There are 500 people working in the British defence sector. The increase will be staggered, with the total reaching 600 in five years, because of financial constraints faced by the armed forces.

RAF Air Command is the body that has assumed responsibility for control of military space operations.

The reliance on satellites has been brought into focus after the EU suggested that it may block Britain’s future role in the Galileo satellite project after Brexit because there are legal problems about sharing sensitive information with a non-member state. Galileo is the €10 billion rival to the United States’ satellite navigation system, which is used by millions of consumers. Britain has contributed £1.2 billion to Galileo, which is due to be completed in 2020.

Last night it was reported that the UK was aiming to invite the first tenders for a rival system and there were hopes that Australia could become a partner in the programme. Two Whitehall officials told the Financial Times that Australia, which announced plans last week for a national space agency, had indicated that it may be interested in the UK’s rival project.

charliegolf
21st May 2018, 07:31
Will that be different to managing the space in empty hangars all around the country?

CG

Martin the Martian
21st May 2018, 07:34
At last! Jet Ace Logan gets his chance!

http://britishcomicart.********.co.uk/2012/06/jet-ace-logan.html

A_Van
21st May 2018, 08:20
.... He said Britain had to be ready to fight states such as Russia in space.



Sounds quite challenging
:O
Does he mean that mini-Net called SkyNet or yet-to-be-built Galileo-like navsat network? And how all those satellites would "fight" Russia?



.....
There are 500 people working in the British defence sector. The increase will be staggered, with the total reaching 600 in five years, because of financial constraints faced by the armed forces.
.......

Reminds a story about a couple of battalions in Baltic states opposing and preventing hordes or Russian invadors ;)

Heathrow Harry
21st May 2018, 08:54
Yes well................

at 3 shifts per day over a year - 1095 shifts; 220 days working on average for 600men = 132000 available man days = 120 men per shift

Ракетные войска стратегического назначения = approx 60,000 men..............................

ORAC
21st May 2018, 09:08
http://www.bbc.co.uk/staticarchive/d06a30a86a92ae5f46e8e86ff61f8fa7c534d0b5.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBwHhw_WYAA2yYn?format=jpg

A_Van
21st May 2018, 09:41
......

Ракетные войска стратегического назначения = approx 60,000 men..............................


HH, in fact - 150K. Right circle in the upper row:
???????????, ?????????? ? ??????? ???????? ??? ?????? // ???????? (http://oppps.ru/chislennost-vooruzhenie-i-istoriya-sozdaniya-vks-rossii.html)

But the number of men does not matter that much in that "business". Hardware matters.

Heathrow Harry
21st May 2018, 09:50
Considering we've had guys sitting at Fylingdales since the mid '60's this smells of the PR dept................

PS Van - we have a ways to go to build up the hardware!!!!

Ogre
21st May 2018, 10:34
One step closer to Dan Dare, although admittedly he was a Colonel.

When a former colleague retired after his entire working career with a British defence contractor, his leaving speech included the line "when I started work the world was full of rocket ships and journeys to the stars, I got this job fully intending to be Dan Dare but ended up as Digby..."

Warmtoast
21st May 2018, 10:44
Heathrow Harry

we've had guys sitting at Fylingdales since the mid '60's

Doing what?

golfbananajam
21st May 2018, 10:50
Always though RAF were space cadets

chopper2004
21st May 2018, 11:48
Not bad idea, shame we did not jump / co-operate on Star Wars SDI? Unless over the decades we have had MoD - Dera / Qinetiq / DSTL liaise visit study their systems.

Cheers

chopper2004
21st May 2018, 11:49
Not bad idea, shame we did not jump / co-operate on Star Wars SDI? Unless over the decades we have had MoD - Dera / Qinetiq / DSTL liaise visit study their systems.

Maybe the Scaley Backs lol should form a Military Space Brigade like the US Army does...

Cheers

Heathrow Harry
21st May 2018, 15:03
Heathrow Harry



Doing what?

Looking into space - there's a lot of it about in N Yorkshire...................

A_Van
21st May 2018, 16:05
Looking into space - there's a lot of it about in N Yorkshire...................

Sure, a prominent area for UFOs sabbath ;)

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/the-strangest-and-most-unusual-ufo-sightings-in-yorkshire-1-9100205

".... Yorkshire is the top place in the country to see UFOs"

thunderbird7
21st May 2018, 21:46
Its been going on for years...

Thomas coupling
22nd May 2018, 08:12
Makes one proud to be British Gavin....we'll stop the russians dead in their tracks,
To the universe and beyond Gavin.
40 war planes
19 ships
20 helicopters
3 subs

1 GPS satellite.

Go get 'em Gavin

Heathrow Harry
22nd May 2018, 15:30
Sure, a prominent area for UFOs sabbath ;)

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/the-strangest-and-most-unusual-ufo-sightings-in-yorkshire-1-9100205

".... Yorkshire is the top place in the country to see UFOs"

And of course Count Dracula landed there........................ AND never showed his passport.....................

pr00ne
22nd May 2018, 19:51
Thomas coupling,

Why do you post this inaccurate rubbish? Are you a Russian bot?

ricardian
23rd May 2018, 08:50
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/33022290_2050310978553065_8705974768567844864_o.jpg?_nc_cat= 0&oh=33f76e23d98d87c63b5c4a13f114fb83&oe=5B782470

ShyTorque
23rd May 2018, 09:28
Will that be different to managing the space in empty hangars all around the country?

CG

Harsh, but to the point! :cool:

ORAC
23rd May 2018, 09:29
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/24/e9/33/24e933fc2ee226662328ecd9a45965d4.jpg

Ogre
23rd May 2018, 22:08
Is that trying to be one of these?

UFO Space Interceptor (http://ufoseries.wikia.com/wiki/MoonBase_Interceptor)

Thomas coupling
30th May 2018, 20:47
Does anyone honestly believe the UK has ANY money to throw at populating space? Give me a break will you.
Once we're out of the EU, there will be even less cash to spare for space.
"Space...the financial frontier".....

ORAC
30th May 2018, 20:58
Is that trying to be one of these?

UFO Space Interceptor (http://ufoseries.wikia.com/wiki/MoonBase_Interceptor)


No, actual stage prop fighter from “Wing Commander”, 1999. Modified F6.

https://youtu.be/mAxG4u_rqug

Planet Basher
30th May 2018, 21:10
If there is no air in space why have the RAF got the gig. Royal Air and Vacuum Force?

ORAC
31st May 2018, 04:29
Point of order - there is air, it just gets very thin. In fact the exosphere extends out to about 120,000 miles. No water or land though......

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exosphere#Upper_boundary_of_Earth

Thomas coupling
31st May 2018, 14:15
Damn, that means no Army or Navy, then.....

Traffic_Is_Er_Was
1st Jun 2018, 03:09
Wouldn't want to pull Garrison duty.

Heathrow Harry
1st Jun 2018, 07:11
Traditionally in SciFi , space exploration has always been modeled on a Naval style operation - I guess because you're looking at units operating a long way from a base for weeks/months/years and (realtively) large crews - think the Star SHIP "enterprise"

No-one has ever said they'd adopt the famous three traditions of the RN tho'....................................

MPN11
1st Jun 2018, 09:35
No, actual stage prop fighter from “Wing Commander”, 1999. Modified F6.

https://youtu.be/mAxG4u_rqug

And a Canberra cockpit canopy at 0:58, unless my eyes deceive me!

Thomas coupling
1st Jun 2018, 11:23
The only reason space is controlled by the Navy in all these sci fi films is because The Navy IS the Senior Service...

Heathrow Harry
1st Jun 2018, 14:01
The only reason space is controlled by the Navy in all these sci fi films is because The Navy IS the Senior Service...

which is only important to the Navy............ I guess they might go into space as they are running out of real ships...............

ExGrunt
1st Jun 2018, 20:13
No water or land though......

... and no 4/5* hotels, so no crabs then ;o)