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DrinkSleepFly&Repeat
16th May 2018, 13:40
Hey guys,

New Bali Air have recently advertised for pilot positions for Dash 8, ATR up to 737. Asking for a friend looking for a job, thoughts on authenticity of this? They are asking dollars for a registration process for interview.

Here is the website:

Home | New Bali Air (http://www.newbaliair.com)

Thanks in advance from anyone on the ground in DPS who may know something here.

Love PanAm
16th May 2018, 13:59
Corporate address in Makassar for New Air bali?
the address is in a street where there are many shops selling gold and souvenirs. Not really the place for an airline.

Where do they fly? with 11 aircrafts, wat are their destinations?

I think it is a little strange. Be careful!!

johnjohncafe
16th May 2018, 21:12
Their website look pretty new : 2018. I applied for their position but did not received any reply yet. This may sounds like Jetair77.

new_era
16th May 2018, 23:21
They are asking dollars for a registration process for interview.

Here is the website:

Home New Bali Air (http://www.newbaliair.com)

Thanks in advance from anyone on the ground in DPS who may know something here.

Never pay to do an interview!! Never!!

Sikandar
17th May 2018, 15:33
I got an invitation as well, i couldn't even find their website on google search. Paying for interview does not make sense.

Eric Janson
17th May 2018, 20:42
Never pay to do an interview!! Never!!

Good advice.

A quick search turned up zero information about this company - looks like a website and nothing more.

Stay clear!

krismiler
17th May 2018, 22:55
Instead of paying for the interview, send the money to a Nigerian Prince who is looking to transfer $20 000 000 and promise's you a cut of the money in return for using your bank account and paying the transfer fees. At least that way you have more chance of getting a result.

Sikandar
18th May 2018, 16:53
so has anyone paid them $500 and got the details regarding the interview?

Eric Janson
18th May 2018, 19:17
so has anyone paid them $500 and got the details regarding the interview?

Anyone who is stupid enough to do that deserves to lose $500 imho.

zepekinio
19th May 2018, 07:02
Pilots are always gonna be stupid and selfish !

skyishome
2nd Jun 2018, 15:06
Domain and name were bought for a year , its a template word press website for 10$ , research came with 0 info about them. I think its a scam and I will not share my info with hem.
A small note to people who advertise minimum requirement pilot jobs to scam pilots, you are the dirtiest scum of this world some people wait years for a lucky break like that and when hopes are up you come and destroy it , Foxtrot Uniform i hope you rot in hell

mai-fatto
21st Jun 2018, 01:13
In the email you receive there is only a name of a coordinator of HR., but no address of the company.
Well,.... this newbali air is a real scam ? Anyone has a news about that ?
Thanks !

squarecrow
21st Jun 2018, 09:40
So why not email this so called Coordinator back and ask for example a postal address
and other relevant questions and see if you get any believable answers that makes it seem
a proper Company. Reading the other posts my Money is on Internet Scam.

jetjockey696
21st Jun 2018, 11:50
The salary is about NONTYPED FO on B737NG approx 27.700.000 rupiah = about 1900usd per month. for typed rated B737 FO. probably 48000000.

Captain = 83 100 000 per month around 5800 usd per month.

Captain ATR and DASH = 69000000 = 4800 usd.

FO typed DASH 8 = 2400usd.

I think Bali Air is for locals. or expats just starting out in the career. worst the expats that nobody wants.. don't expect to much... it Indonesia, they not going to pay market rate. for a local it is a lot money. don't complain about the money.. most airlines pay the around the same.

Eric Janson
21st Jun 2018, 14:04
In the email you receive there is only a name of a coordinator of HR., but no address of the company.
Well,.... this newbali air is a real scam ? Anyone has a news about that ?
Thanks !

Anyone with a phone and an e-mail account can claim to be anyone they want.

After reading all the posts you're still not sure if this is a scam?

Critical thinking is an important part of a Pilot's job - some of you need to do some work in this area.

Love PanAm
22nd Jun 2018, 00:44
I went to makassar last week and at the address is a gold toko. Nothing telling about an airline.

Sikandar
22nd Jun 2018, 06:35
One of my friends paid the $500 registration fee and since he secured a job in his home town he asked for a refund, before he had transferred the money they would reply to mails anytime and any day. Even on a Sunday.
Now that he asked for a refund they went cold on him. Well do the math...

PK-KAR
25th Jun 2018, 05:58
I heard about this airline a few years ago which then died away (happened about the same time as when this topic started here in PPRUNE), and then it propped up again several months ago... and got a call asking about this airline just last week.
The airline doesn't have an AOC yet. Information from within the DGCA, this so-called company hasn't lodged an AOC application either.
The funniest thing was, they haven't got the money either... they are still seeking investors, but information from "a source close to it" said they haven't planned for any routes, schedules or done any aircraft rotation simulations to see how many they need.

This is Indonesia, if the airline ain't real, it ain't worth your time. Go for the real ones, and even with those you still gotta watch where your money goes!
This is the 5th startup wannabe (yes, wannabes for even the startups) I've come across in the last 4 years, and yet another one living in dreamland (instead of doing the setup work).

Been there, done that...

luai
26th Jun 2018, 08:56
More news about this company ?

I received a msg from HR said :

About our company, it was started back in 1970, but we ceased our operation due to certain unforeseen circumstances but we are back again.

,,

Love PanAm
27th Jun 2018, 09:52
More news about this company ?

I received a msg from HR said :

About our company, it was started back in 1970, but we ceased our operation due to certain unforeseen circumstances but we are back again.

,,

whoooaaaoaoaooaoa

it took a long time to come back!!

Eric Janson
27th Jun 2018, 10:18
About our company, it was started back in 1970, but we ceased our operation due to certain unforeseen circumstances but we are back again.

Sounds like a good reason to send them $500! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

PK-KAR
28th Jun 2018, 04:19
1970? He means the old Bali Air? That was gone in 2004/5 when parent Bouraq was struggling, and Bouraq finally went bust in 2005, and has been in bankruptcy courts.
This new Bali Air has nothing to do with the old Bali Air other than name. Nice "try" by the HR.

squarecrow
28th Jun 2018, 08:58
Add that to Love PanAm's post about seeing what was at the Address in Makassar.
Sounds totally believable, NOT!

pineteam
28th Jun 2018, 16:00
Wow, I just had a quick look to the website. If it's a scam they put a lot of effort into it. Lol:}

Never pay to do an interview!! Never!!

+1

Love PanAm
28th Jun 2018, 23:30
going to Denpasar next week.
does New Air Bali have airplanes there?
what routes do they fly?

seems to be a phantom airline

luai
1st Jul 2018, 09:53
Hello ,,
i just received a msg for the HR again ,,
who received this msg guys ? And who is going down there ?
.. Here's the message



Will it possible for you to present yourself for a day in coming week? We are conducting interview till 6th of July, 2018 (x-apple-data-detectors://5). You can come here for a day to attend interview, may sign contract on same day as you are paying fees in cash and can go back to your destination. You will have ample time to start SIM, generally it will take around two to three months to start as there are many stage are to be followed also required many documentation from DGCA as well as from various Govt. department. And once we have all the documents ready with us can start your training as per your convenient time.


Kind Regards,
B. Didi.

dan1165
1st Jul 2018, 12:09
Paying fees in cash ?!!!:ooh::=

Eric Janson
1st Jul 2018, 13:38
@luai
Have you not read this thread - or have you decided to ignore everything that people have written to warn you about these scammers?

By all means go - give them your cash. You can learn a valuable life lesson in the process! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

WingNut60
1st Jul 2018, 13:50
Is this the same crew who had a Trilander sitting at Seppingan with empty nacelles for oh, I don't know, 10 years or so?

You'd be better off having a look at Susi Air.
Or send your money to me, I can help, honest I can.

luai
1st Jul 2018, 16:10
@wingnut60
im not going to Indonesia
im not not going to pay 500$ for this scam
i posted this just to warn other people about this scam ..

DrinkSleepFly&Repeat
15th Jul 2018, 11:51
So to sum it up, as initially suspected, looks to be fraudulent. My colleague who was interested gave them a call and they were unable to answer simple questions on fleet, interview, simulator training or anything for that matter.

The name used by the fraudster is Budiano Didi and there is a "Captain Jow" also. They use [email protected] I suggest everyone who cares to report it to the cyber crimes unit, email is [email protected]

For what its worth anyway.

wagon007
16th Jul 2018, 14:36
its a total scam!!! :=

Vaero
9th May 2019, 09:52
It looks like they're back at it again. Just saw posts for them on some recruitment websites. Their email is still [email protected] and the emails in the message they sent "[email protected]" don't exist...

squarecrow
9th May 2019, 13:18
Maybe they think after 1 year everyone has forgotten about them from last times attempts:}

A P
22nd May 2019, 13:43
Makassar is famous in Indonesia for dishonesty. It is scam city. Stay away.

092
10th Mar 2020, 16:58
yes it is fraud

Love PanAm
18th Mar 2020, 01:28
they moved the address in Papua now.
Harder to visit them.

where are all the airplanes flying? Not in Bali, nobody can see them on the tarmac.

Zak123
2nd Jul 2020, 21:31
I've contacted them for the last hiring position of the A320, but they asked me to fund the type rating fees with a 250 hours as line training with one of their partners.
the problem that they asked me to send them the money before receiving the contract !!! this is one of the things confusing me. I've more to discuss about this job position.
,

Zymian
3rd Jul 2020, 05:11
Sure send them the money ASAP.

im sure it’ll work out just great.

squarecrow
3rd Jul 2020, 09:01
Yes indeed why would you send any money to any unknown or known
whatever before signing a contract. := reading other posts I doubt
any contract with this lot would be worth the paper its written on anyway.

Zak123
3rd Jul 2020, 10:09
Yes that's what confusing me, how they asked for thr fees before sending the contract that is just a PAPER !!!

Reims_Rocket
3rd Jul 2020, 10:38
If you're still confused even after reading all the other ppl wrote above then go ahead, send them the bucks

Zak123
3rd Jul 2020, 12:20
Another thing !
the airline doesn't make any schedules now and if you search on their fleet on google you'll find nothing credible, even their website isn't working currently!!

grrowler
3rd Jul 2020, 13:46
And while you’re at it, I have a large sum of money ($15 million USD) left in inheritance by a Nigerian businessman with your surname. Just need a few details from you to send it your way...:ugh:

galdian
3rd Jul 2020, 23:26
Another thing !
the airline doesn't make any schedules now and if you search on their fleet on google you'll find nothing credible, even their website isn't working currently!!

....maybe the universe is trying to tell you something! ;)

tgo15
22nd Jul 2020, 21:40
That airlines doesnt exsist in indonesia.

rohit777
2nd Oct 2020, 07:47
They've changed their ways now. Be careful.

Dear xxxx,
Subject: We are now in the process of recruiting cadet pilots for A 320,
ATR 72-212/600, Falcon 50, Bombardier Global 7500 and Dash 8 Q300/400 to
join our expanding fleet.

Thank you for applying for the position of entry level first officer or
cadet pilot of A 320, ATR 72-212/600, Falcon 50, Bombardier Global 7500
and Dash 8 Q300/400 aircraft advertised recently. This post is
conditional and upon satisfactory completion of self funded type
training and flying required hours on type you will be offered with the
post of first officer. Only those successful candidate’s application
form will be processed and will be communicated for further proceeding,
all other candidate’s forms will be returned or confidentially
destroyed.

As you know, the position for an entry level first officer or cadet
pilot is open and we are looking for hardworking and dedicated flight
crew. Shortlisted and successful applicants will be offered with
employment contract within one week after receiving this mail.
Candidates not contacted 1-2 weeks after submission of applications may
consider their application unsuccessful.

General Conditions:
Candidate would be scrutinized and prima facie eligible candidates will
be contacted and allowed to appear for further process. Please also note
that, the candidature is purely provisional and the candidates being
allowed to appear for the process, does not in any way establish their
eligibility for the post. If on screening of their application/
document(s), it is found that, they do not possess the laid down
qualification/ experience/ physical appearance/ stipulated eligibility
criteria, their candidature is liable to be rejected at any stage,
without entering into any correspondence with the candidates in the
matter.

Evidence of qualifications:
Only completed applications will be reviewed. You will be required to
furnish more documents from time to time. Please be advised that, you
should send exactly those mentioned documents only, kindly refrain from
sending any other which were not asked for.

Expenses:
Candidate must bear the expenses involved towards respective type
rating. The company will pay travel and all other expenses involved
towards type training as well as line training.

Type training:
i) Selected candidates will be imparted training at any place decided
by the Company,
ii) Type rating programme have tailored in such a way that, each trainee
pilot will log minimum 300 hours,
iiI) Period of Fixed Term C o n t r a c t u a l Engagement: Candidates
will be engaged on a Fixed Term contract initially for a period of two
years, which is extendable subject to performance of the candidate and
the Company’s requirement.

Emoluments:
i) During period of type training, the candidates will be given a
stipend of USD ($) 500. per month,
ii) After successful completion of type training and during the first
year of the engagement; first officer will draw monthly salary and
allowances of USD ($) 4050. per month apart from free accommodation
(with or without family) transportation, daily allowances (per Diem),
food (on duty), insurance etc.,
iii) There will be an increment of 12% salary from second year.

Full details are entered with the employment contract.

Prior to starting this application process one should ensure that, those
flight crew who do not have experience with scheduled operator (read non
type rated) would be required to pay for the type rating.

Following are the process to join our team,
1. Administrative Department will communicate with the applicants,
2. Administrative Department will ask more documents from applicants,
3. Employment contract will be prepared and to sign;
i. may visit our office at Jayapura, Papua, Indonesia (once COVID 19
pandemic travel restrictions are lifted for
foreigners, availability of post at that time) or
ii. soft copy can be send through e-mail
iii. pay the required fees and sign the contract
iv. air ticket will be issued to join simulator training.

May forward us following documents to proceed further (only if you are
able to fund type rating and agree with above mentioned terms and
conditions);
a. your signed CV with recent passport size photograph on it
b. copy of your CPL/ ATPL
c. copy of your current Class I Medical Certificate
d. first and last two pages of your logbook
e. first and last page of your passport
f. filled and signed attached application form, kindly fill all column,
clearly mention the type of aircraft you are opting for (see "POST
APPLIED FOR" column).

You are advised to send exactly those mentioned documents only.

We will proceed to next step of preparation of employment and type
rating contract once we receive your reply mail with required
attachments.

Please feel free to contact us should you need any clarification.

Kind Regards,
Sithara Dilakshana,
Head of Administration,
JL. A. Yani No. 18-27, Bali Tower, Jayapura 99111, Papua. Indonesia.
e-mail: [email protected], www(dot)newbalirair(dot)com

Type training cost: includes 300 on type hours;
1. Dash 8 Q300/400 USD 25,000. ($ Twenty five thousand).
2. ATR 72 212/600 USD 27,000. ($ Twenty seven thousand).
3. Airbus A 320 USD 30,000. ($ Thirty thousand).
4. Falcon 50, Bombardier Global 7500 USD 45,000. ($ Forty five
thousand).
5. IL 76 USD 40,000. ($ Forty thousand).

Note:
* Said fees includes all other expenses involved towards respective
type rating as well as 300 on type hours.
** Above mentioned are those types available as of now.

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Zak123
3rd Oct 2020, 10:10
Yes ! They changed the fees, but actually I'm not interested on them after my checks about their credibility last june.

pfvspnf
3rd Oct 2020, 10:23
Many opportunities here in Kano , accept payment in crypto or western union

aviatrixflying
6th Jan 2021, 21:10
Happy new year guys,

I’ve seen a couple of days ago a new application posting of an airline called New Bali Air. I sent them a message cause I was interested in the FO position sending my cv. They’ve replied me today with a bunch of info, prices (in USD) and a form. I saw the company website where you can’t even book a flight, too many aircraft models: A320, ATR 72-600, Bombardier, Falcon ... and no signs of LinkedIn or any worker... what do u think? Should I trust ?

Zombywoof
7th Jan 2021, 03:37
Many opportunities here in Kano , accept payment in crypto or western unionYou're a comedian.

squarecrow
7th Jan 2021, 08:17
Should I trust it?,,,,, Really!!:}

Zak123
7th Jan 2021, 10:56
absolutely NO ❗ don't trust it.

squarecrow
7th Jan 2021, 13:32
I was being sarcastic. Aviatrixflying you just answered your question before Zak did,
look at what you posted. Cant book a flight, too many types.
hmmm gotta be a clue.

krismiler
8th Jan 2021, 02:42
Good time to start an airline as well, right in the middle of a pandemic with your operating base closed to tourists and one of your major markets (Australia) forbidding its citizens from travelling abroad.

No matter how desperate you are, hang onto your money. Realistically there are no opportunities for new pilots available at the moment, or likely to be any for the next few years. Unfortunately there is no shortage of scammers wanting to take advantage of the current situation.

Just for reference, my employer has let go 1/4 of flight crew and is currently well overstaffed in anticipation of having the correct number in 2 years time. IF they have got it right and need to recruit soon afterwards, they have 100+ pilots on the books who have priority for being re employed. Once those who want to return are back there will be hundreds of qualified and experienced crew unemployed and immediately available if they need anymore.

My advice: Find another job for the next few years but keep an eye on aviation and try to stay current until it picks up again.

rolloutflare
9th Jan 2021, 08:11
I know we have long sunk into low low level of intellectual prior to my calling quits of aviation. But this one, is just plain dumb.

IF, you have to pay in ANY form of fees or money prior to your joining of the company, you should know you are one of the desperate AND naive idiots. I read in disgust of young punks justifying their race to the bottom by saying everyone is in for their own cause. Well, start getting real. The aviation future is gone for good, at least not for another decade before the next impending boom, that NEVER seems to ever come about.

What worries me at the slightest bit sipping coffee at my veranda here in my lovely own retirement home, is not the desperation, not even the stupidity, but just how simply idiotic some of these desperadoes are and these clowns will eventually make their way into some slimy LCC that sell hours and experience and letting them be at the pointy end of shinny tubes.

Eric Janson
9th Jan 2021, 14:45
what do u think? Should I trust ?

May I suggest you take a course or learn some Critical Thinking Skills.

You've been told over and over again what this is - yet you appear not to have understood anything people have said.

pfvspnf
10th Jan 2021, 02:37
Great airline , you shouldn’t encounter any issues after payment. It’s not for those that are tight with cash

Reims_Rocket
17th Jan 2021, 11:37
Look at the fleet : A 320, B 737 700/800, ATR 72-212, Dash-8-Q300/400 no kidding anymore lah!

Rizzaquintos Mercado
3rd Sep 2021, 15:12
Yes that's what confusing me, how they asked for thr fees before sending the contract that is just a PAPER !!!
They are indians.one named Raju Ramlu Sultan,
​​​​another one is bhavesh but i forgot the surname

Limasenar
3rd Nov 2021, 04:55
Wow 3+ years and this scheme still up and about?

Please be warned that Indonesian AOC registered under "Bali Air" has been defunct for more than a decade and no longer listed under the DGCA's Civil Aircraft Registry (CAR). Never spend a dime for an interview!

heela1
30th Nov 2022, 10:33
hi guys even I got into the trap of New Bali Air... but then I read all the post in this here ...damm!!

this is wat I received from them ...
this is recent like 28th November 2022
Thank you for applying for hours building program cum entry level first officer or trainee first officer of Airbus A 320 fleet with us. This post is conditional and upon satisfactory completion of self funded 300 on type hours (a minimum 250 hours as per Indonesian DGCA norms) and passing all required checks you will be offered with the post of junior first officer.

Prior to starting this application process you should ensure that, you are already type rated, and the particular type is entered with your CPL/ ATPL.

General Conditions:

Candidate would be scrutinized and prima facie eligible candidates will be allowed to appear for further process. Please also note that, the candidature is purely provisional and the candidates being allowed to appear for the process, does not in any way establish their eligibility for the post. If on screening of their application/ document(s), it is found that, they do not possess the laid down qualification/ experience/physical appearance/ stipulated eligibility criteria, their candidature is liable to be rejected at any stage, without entering into any correspondence with the candidates in the matter.

Evidence of qualifications:

Only completed applications will be reviewed. You will be required to furnish more documents from time to time. Please be advised that, you should send exactly those mentioned documents only, kindly refrain from sending any other which were not asked for.

Expenses:

Candidate must pay below mentioned amount involved towards respective hours building program. The company will pay travel accommodation, food and all other expenses involved.

About employment contract:

i) Period of Fixed Term C o n t r a c t u a l Engagement: Candidates will be engaged on a Fixed Term contract initially for a period of two years, which is extendable subject to performance of the candidate and the Company’s requirement.

Emoluments:

i) During period of line training or read as hours building, the candidates will be given a stipend of USD ($) 500. per month.

ii) After successful completion of 300 hours of flying (night qualification added) and during the first year of the engagement; first officer will draw monthly salary and allowances of USD ($) 4050. per month apart from free accommodation (with or without family) transportation, daily allowances (per Diem), food (on duty) etc.

iii) There will be an increment of 12% monthly salary from second year onward.

You will find more details with the employment contract.

Following are the process to the program:


Administrative Department will communicate with the applicant.
Administrative Department will ask more documents from applicant time to time.
Deposit required fess.
Upon receiving the fees; invoice, offer letter, Employment cum hours building contract will be issued. To sign

the contract;


may visit our office at Jayapura, Papua, Indonesia (once Covid 19 related travel restrictions are

lifted for foreigners, availability of post at that time) or

2. soft copy can be send through e-mail for applicant's signature.



May forward us following documents to proceed further (only if you have understood the terms and conditions and agree with it);


your signed CV with recent passport size photograph on it.
copy of your CPL/ATPL (including the page in which type/s are endorsed).
copy of your current Class I Medical Certificate.
first two pages, last two pages and the page/s in which type is entered with official seal/ stamp of your logbook.
front and last page of your passport.
copy of your any photo identity card.
filled and signed attached application form, kindly fill all column, clearly mention the type of aircraft you are opting for and write "Hours building/ First Officer" (see "POST APPLIED FOR" column, also mention particular type of aircraft).

You are requested to send exactly those above mentioned documents only.

We will proceed to next step of preparation of employment cum hours building contract once we receive your reply mail and mentioned documents.

Please feel free to contact us should you need any clarification.



Best,

Captain Sithara Dilakshana (TRE/IRE)

Training Captain, V.P, Training & Administration,


A. Yani No. 18-27, Bali Tower, Jayapura 99111, Papua. Indonesia.



Fees (includes 300 plus on type hours*):


Airbus A 320 : USD 25.000





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squarecrow
1st Dec 2022, 11:10
Hope you didnt get scammed out of any money as well.

emiratesa380
29th Dec 2023, 08:11
Hello everyone,

I am receiving email from Captain Sithara from Bali Air, can anyone confirm if this is a scam or no please?

Climb150
31st Dec 2023, 16:37
Hello everyone,

I am receiving email from Captain Sithara from Bali Air, can anyone confirm if this is a scam or no please?

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