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GLIDER 90
13th May 2018, 08:48
Morning All

When Just Jane NX611 Lancaster eventually gets back into the air, Will they be doing airshows around the UK or will it just be local flying, will they also be have passengers paying for flights to help in the upkeep of the aircraft and running costs?

Glider 90

DaveReidUK
13th May 2018, 15:53
I fear those questions may turn out to be academic ...

Though I hope not.

Groundloop
13th May 2018, 17:44
I think the idea of paying passengers is a complete no-no. The chances of getting any permission/certification from the CAA would be virtually non-existent.

N707ZS
13th May 2018, 19:02
The Canadian example took passengers when it was here.

rolling20
13th May 2018, 20:36
I would imagine after the Vera inflight fire and BBMF one, which was more serious, the CAA will impose some pretty harsh safety requirements.

India Four Two
13th May 2018, 20:42
Just buy a cheap flight to Canada and then a more expensive one in VERA. :)
Vintage Aircraft Flight Purchase Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum (http://www.warplane.com/aircraft/flights/buy-a-flight/form.aspx?AircraftId=4)

About 2000. Cheap at half the price!

Bonus if you’re a Canadian tax-payer - you get a charitable tax deduction.

N707ZS
14th May 2018, 18:04
When did Vera have an inflight fire? Only know about the engine change in the UK.

treadigraph
14th May 2018, 19:15
PA474 had an engine fire three years again...

DaveReidUK
14th May 2018, 20:25
When did Vera have an inflight fire? Only know about the engine change in the UK.

That was it.

https://i2-prod.gazettelive.co.uk/incoming/article7691868.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/JS45059323.jpg

treadigraph
15th May 2018, 09:20
https://youtu.be/uJ2IeEIcKa8

DaveReidUK
15th May 2018, 15:33
Very pretty.

But there's a world of difference between a pristine static display/ground running specimen and an airworthy article.

I hope Just Jane makes the transition, but I'm not holding my breath.

Groundloop
15th May 2018, 17:30
The Canadian example took passengers when it was here.

So Canadian regulations may allow it in a Canadian registered aircraft but highly unlikely ever to happen under UK regulation.

N707ZS
15th May 2018, 17:31
VERA wasn't an engine fire, from what I saw the supercharger blades disintegrated and went through the engine, along with quite a bit of oil thus the smoke.

22/04
15th May 2018, 21:40
US regulations seem much more relaxed. I flew in a Huey (no doors) and a DC3 at last years TICO Warbird show and flights in a Cobra were on offer. Have heard of B29 and B17 rides.

Great fun and we know we are taking an increased risk. Why are the CAA so much more conservative?

dixi188
16th May 2018, 10:12
UK CAA, aka, "Campaign Against Aviation"
IIRC, The Air Navigation Order, (The Law), has a section that starts with the words: "AN AIRCRAFT SHALL NOT FLY ", and then lists all the conditions that have to be met to allow it to fly.

b1lanc
17th May 2018, 01:34
Very pretty.

But there's a world of difference between a pristine static display/ground running specimen and an airworthy article.

I hope Just Jane makes the transition, but I'm not holding my breath.

They seem to be making progress. Couple of sites with some pics and status below.
Lancaster ?Just Jane? Nearing Flight (http://warbirdsnews.com/warbird-restorations/lancaster-just-jane-nearing-flight.html)
Donation to Avro Lancaster NX611 - Donations - Donation & the RIVET Club - Lincolnshire Aviation Heritage Centre (http://www.lincsaviation.co.uk/store/donation/donations/donation-to-avro-lancaster-nx611.htm)

Funds needed.

b1lanc
17th May 2018, 01:38
US regulations seem much more relaxed. I flew in a Huey (no doors) and a DC3 at last years TICO Warbird show and flights in a Cobra were on offer. Have heard of B29 and B17 rides.

Great fun and we know we are taking an increased risk. Why are the CAA so much more conservative?

Yes, Fifi is coming to an airport near me and offering rides on two days. Collings Foundation gives rides in their B-17, B-24, B-25, and TF-51D. Vera has been in the US offering rides - that one I would do if Vera came to my area.

Pontius Navigator
25th May 2018, 07:36
Just Jane on the circuit?

Pure speculation, the principal purpose of getting JJ airborne is as a memorial to their brother. Money raised from taxy runs has been toward that aim and mutual support with the museum.

Unlike PA374 , JJ is the major exhibit at the museum. Any tour away from base would have a negative effect on the museum. In comparison with the Vulcan, fuel costs will be minimal at 200 gal per hour, but then of course slower transit speeds would n reflected in cost per mile.