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YPJT
5th May 2018, 05:51
There was only a brief mention on the radio news this morning and this article (https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/full-body-scans-for-domestic-airports-in-major-security-overhaul-20180504-p4zdg8.html) in the SMH.
Looks like getting through screening is about to become just a little more painful.

i would hazard a guess that the reason the AAA, Qantas and Virgin declined to comment was there was no warning by the department of a government announcement.

IsDon
5th May 2018, 06:56
Great.

More expensive white elephants.

Create the the illusion of security for the ignorant masses while leaving gaping holes you can, literally, drive a catering truck through.

I’m seriously over this.

I hope we don’t have a hijacking or terrorist incident in this county. But if we do I seriously hope the politicians that allow these security companies to screw millions out of the taxpayers for zero net gain are held to account.

Its a rort.

Rated De
5th May 2018, 07:13
Was it fact that check in staff (pre-screening) rejected the said 'bomb'?

More theatre and as the world deteriorates, the Orwellian state grows Obergruppenführer Dutton ponders the goose step for his super secret department!

How many more milliseiverts will operational staff have to endure?

IsDon
5th May 2018, 08:01
Was it fact that check in staff (pre-screening) rejected the said 'bomb'?

More theatre and as the world deteriorates, the Orwellian state grows Obergruppenführer Dutton ponders the goose step for his super secret department!

How many more milliseiverts will operational staff have to endure?



Apparently yes RD.

No amount of full body scammers (sorry scanners) would have foiled the plot.

Duck Pilot
5th May 2018, 09:08
Another useless and absolutely stupid decision driven by the shiny bums in Canberra.

Bet they slap another few bucks in taxes on every passenger ticket to pay for this thieving policy. Few jobs for a few mates and more bouncers at airports!!!!

Who is the Minister’s Aviation Advisor now? Appears that a lot of rubbish is being fed up steam from people with no Aviation knowledge or more importantly experience!!!!

Propstop
5th May 2018, 09:44
Would it not be a better idea to ID passenger with the boarding pass, at least the manifest will for the first time be 100% correct, guaranteed.

Duck Pilot
5th May 2018, 10:38
Would it not be better to treat every passenger with respect and dignity, opposed to treating everyone as being a potential threat, it’s insulting having to endure this rubbish as a loyal and law abiding person. Assuming we are all potential criminals is an insult.

It will only be a matter of time before we have bouncers in white shirts at every access point on every airport/airstrip.

mustafagander
5th May 2018, 12:04
While ever pax can check in on line and produce no ID at the gate, everything else is a WOFTAM.

It is hilarious - last week I checked in at a major airport through the self serve kiosk and boarded with no ID check at all. For the return trip from a regional airport a few days later it was manual check in with real live humans and I needed to show a photo ID. Bizarre!!

YPJT
5th May 2018, 13:18
There was going to be positive ID check at boarding. QF allegedly squealed like stuck pigs and it was dropped

Capn Bloggs
5th May 2018, 13:26
If I go through before the FA s and then turn around, will I see...

YPJT
5th May 2018, 14:11
If I go through before the FA s and then turn around, will I see...

only a stick figure

Eddie Dean
5th May 2018, 21:19
We live in a time of fabricated fear.

peuce
5th May 2018, 22:33
.... Assuming we are all potential criminals is an insult.

Just wondering ...if not "we", who should be assumed to be a potential threat then? Should we begin profiling? Only screen those in thongs perhaps? Those with a dark beard perhaps? ....or perhaps, no one?

Checklist Charlie
5th May 2018, 23:20
Ohhhh there's a shadow over there, quickly everyone jump.

Let's now create a security law against shadows.

Smoke and mirrors will fix the threat. Been working up till now.

CC, yawwwwn

SIUYA
6th May 2018, 05:00
:ugh:Well, if we ARE to have increased screening, perhaps the lunatics in charge of the asylum might consider implementing a pre-check system here like the TSA Pre system in the US. I'd happily pay the equivalent fee for a 5-year membership.

I'd suspect though that it will never happen here, because it's way too advanced for the bureaucrats that (mis)manage our security system. ::{

Capt Fathom
6th May 2018, 05:29
Only reason Airlines want a photo ID is if the name on the ticket is different, they'll charge you for the change!

morno
6th May 2018, 08:13
Gents I’m curious, for those who are so anti any further security requirements;

1. What is the problem with an ID check before entering a secure area? If you want security, then best you know who’s onboard your aircraft

2. What exactly do you propose they do with catering trucks etc.?

3. Security is unfortunately a part of our industry, even pre 9/11. Drop the security too far, you’ll very quickly lose the right to flights to the US. Do you just want everyone to waltz on through without any checks at all?

Tankengine
6th May 2018, 08:21
Security screening is needed, but:
After going through “Xray” scanner : security guy; “ you are showing something top left side of chest, empty pocket.”
me ; “you don’t think it might be these metal [email protected]($#&(() wings?”, empty pocket of paper roster and plastic comb!

(I didn’t really swear, but FFS!)

Icarus2001
6th May 2018, 08:41
Do you just want everyone to waltz on through without any checks at all? What you mean like the baggage handlers and engineers do, perish the thought.

What is the point of screening with body scanners to make sure pointy things and blades bigger than 6cm are not taken on board when such tools are already on board? (I am being vague here for obvious reasons.)

The world trade centre attacks would not have been stopped by body scanners, read all about it.

5179
6th May 2018, 08:55
We all ( well most of us ) know just how well the ASIC card maintains regional security. How aviation savy folks can't expose the farce to percieved security, beggers belief. The ASIC is pure rubbish.

swh
6th May 2018, 09:21
Need to change the title “Increased security costs for domestic flights”

morno
6th May 2018, 15:58
What you mean like the baggage handlers and engineers do, perish the thought.

What is the point of screening with body scanners to make sure pointy things and blades bigger than 6cm are not taken on board when such tools are already on board? (I am being vague here for obvious reasons.)

The world trade centre attacks would not have been stopped by body scanners, read all about it.

I asked the security guys in Sydney about this one day. They didn't know what I was talking about and said that the baggage handlers go through security as well, it's just through a different entrance.

I know the engineers at my company went through security.

Tankengine
7th May 2018, 00:35
I asked the security guys in Sydney about this one day. They didn't know what I was talking about and said that the baggage handlers go through security as well, it's just through a different entrance.

I know the engineers at my company went through security.

Where do the security guys go through security? Who checks them ?;)
Let us not even consider racial profiling!

Icarus2001
7th May 2018, 02:00
They didn't know what I was talking about and said that the baggage handlers go through security as well, Just because they believe that the baggage handlers go through does not mean that they do. The engineers definitely do not as they start their day at the hangar and then end up airside at the terminal in either a car, a tug or in an aircraft under tow.

As a related point, I went through Heathrow, Bangkok and KL in the last few weeks. I made a point of checking in the airside cafes and restaurants...some very nice kitchen knives in them, in the sterile area, not chained or housed, sitting on a bench.