New look PPRuNe

[FullOppositeRudder]

Thanks to all those who been involved in the "new" PPRuNe upgrade. A whole new look, but still quite familiar - useful indeed for the old codgers like Iself.

Looking forward to the other features as time goes on....

Thanks again,

FOR :ok:

[Capn Bloggs]

Finally got my cursor back "due to long-running script". :cool:

When I'm reading a thread and get to the bottom, on the old Prune, I could just click the "Go" button and be taken back to the sub-forum, say Tech Log. This no longer happens. "Thread Jump" doesn't do anything. I assume the "Go" is now for going to a page number. The only way I can get back to the table of contents of sub-forum I'm in is to scroll all the way back to the top then click the page site link. Jumping to another sub-forum, say "Rumours and News", is no problem, open the dropdown then click the sub-forum. :=

CPU is being hammered by all the new scripts and ads; gotta make money somehow, eh?! :cool:

[pithblot]

I guess so Bloggs. Shame, I liked it the way it woz.

[Fark'n'ell]

I guess so Bloggs. Shame, I liked it the way it woz

Likewise.The adds in the middle of a page annoy me.

[NRU74]

I’m using an ipad.
What’s the best way of getting rid of the ads?

[ExSp33db1rd]

I’m using an ipad.
What’s the best way of getting rid of the ads?

Sell the iPad.

[Bull at a Gate]

And the ads are often videos which take up my precious internet allowance here out in the Australian bush.

i hate it!

[ea200]

Keeping an open mind, but how do I get it to use the whole screen instead just the 1st 2/3? Not mobile.

[jimjim1]

I could just click the "Go" button and be taken back to the sub-forum, say Tech Log. This no longer happens.

Sounds like that was an accident.

I navigate using the Forum structure list at the top of the page.

https://www.pprune.org/images/misc/navbits_start.gif (https://www.pprune.org/computer-internet-issues-troubleshooting/608157-new-look-pprune.html#) PPRuNe Forums (https://www.pprune.org/) > Misc. Forums (https://www.pprune.org/misc-forums-4/) > Computer/Internet Issues & Troubleshooting (https://www.pprune.org/computer-internet-issues-troubleshooting-46/)
https://www.pprune.org/images/misc/navbits_finallink_ltr.gif (https://www.pprune.org/computer-internet-issues-troubleshooting/608157-new-look-pprune.html) > New look PPRuNe
OOOH - I was expecting the above to be pasted as pure txt and to have to explain that. I simply copied and pasted it. :-)

Click on the one you want to go to.

[BEagle]

Can someone please tell me how to get the pages looking as close to their former style as possible?

Adverts in the middle of the pages are infuriating - is there a way to kill them?

[paulc]

much preferred the old look as well

[WHBM]

Keeping an open mind, but how do I get it to use the whole screen instead just the 1st 2/3? Not mobile.
This appears to be because a right hand margin has been allowed for vertical format advertsiments, which have not been sold yet.

[ea200]

WHBM. Yes, that's what I thought it might be for. Doesn't make things easier to read.

[spekesoftly]

Can someone please tell me how to get the pages looking as close to their former style as possible?

Adverts in the middle of the pages are infuriating - is there a way to kill them?

The nearest I can get to the former style (on a desktop PC using Firefox) is by selecting PPRuNe NG on the 'Quick Style Chooser'.

I could be mistaken, but to me the overall visual appearance (darker blue bands etc?) is vaguely reminiscent of its appearance many years ago when Danny was in charge, although subsequently tweaked before he moved on.

Regarding the ads, the only solution I'm aware of is one that I believe you are unwilling to use. It does get rid of ads in the middle of the pages, and leaves a blank border on the RHS.

[NutLoose]

What a retrograde step, I realised advertising is required to fund the site, but when that advertising overwhelms the site it is funding as it does on my iPad, it feels like I am on a shopping channel with a bit of aviation stuff squeezed between to fill the gaps.

[LTNman]

Now getting narrow threads and one third adverts. Horrible!

[Highway1]

Perhaps I'm doing something wrong but I quite like the new layout and I dont notice any more ads on the new site than I had on the old. Using Ubuntu Budgie and Chromium

[VP959]

There is definitely a problem with scripts hanging on some pages. I've just sat for thirty seconds of so watching the page try to load then gave up. A quick look showed that it was a script hanging. There seem to be major issues with embedding things in posts too, with big blank spaces where people have supposedly posted things like links to photos or YouTube videos.

The text sizes seem to be all over the place too. Some devices are showing the pages with overlapping text, making things unreadable, others are either defaulting to a very tiny font size (can be manually fixed by zooming the browser, but a PITA) or an overly large font size, again which can be fixed by zooming the browser out.

It looks like there are some bugs in the display side of the new upgrade that need some fine tuning to get a consistent look across all devices/browsers, I think, plus a fix is needed for the stuff that no longer shows up in posts, although does if the post is quoted. Probably teething troubles from the upgrade that will hopefully get sorted as soon as the causes are found and the settings tweaked accordingly.

FWIW the forum does seem to look a LOT better on a Linux box than it does on either a Windows PC or an iPad. On the latter it's pretty close to being unusable, doesn't bother me as I don't use one, but I did a quick check with my wife's iPad last night and there are definitely serious issues with overlapping text etc. I've yet to check it with my tablet, which runs LineageOS, but expect it'll be OK on that, as it's essentially Linux underneath it all.

[WHBM]

What a retrograde step, I realised advertising is required to fund the site,
The unfortunate thing is that Bulletin Boards are increasingly a 20th Century concept, and social media has moved on, initially to Facebook and Twitter of course, but now even leaving those behind for SnapChat, Instagram, etc - and the advertising revenues have followed. Advertising rates per 1,000 views of Bulletin Boards have declined, as have the number of views. You don't get a lot of new members any more to replace the old codgers. All the recommendations of flying schools etc for new Wannabees are increasingly on these other media, which the Wannabees themselves have been familiar with since schooldays.

[Highway1]

The text sizes seem to be all over the place too. Some devices are showing the pages with overlapping text, making things unreadable, others are either defaulting to a very tiny font size (can be manually fixed by zooming the browser, but a PITA) or an overly large font size, again which can be fixed by zooming the browser out.

Interesting. I haven't seen any glitches at all - is it an OS issue or a Browser issue?. Is it any different if you view using Firefox on Linux or Firefox on Windows?

[VP959]

Interesting. I haven't seen any glitches at all - is it an OS issue or a Browser issue?. Is it any different if you view using Firefox on Linux or Firefox on Windows?

I'm running Firefox on everything, Windows 7, two flavours of Linux and LineageOS on a tablet, and all showed variations in text size and formatting, with the Linux machines giving what looks to me to be the best text size etc. The only other browser I've tried is whatever an iPad uses. I don't use one, but I tried to see what the site looked like on my wife's iPad last night (which had the problem with the overlapping text etc).

Not sure why scripts are hanging on some pages either - the hang seems permanent, as in it locks the page up and just shows a pair of black arrows rotating clockwise at the bottom of the page. I left it like this for around 10 minutes and it stayed the same.

When you get a page that hangs with a locked up script, it looks like this, but with the black arrows rotating clockwise:

https://www.pprune.org/members/59439-vp959-albums-vps-photos-picture1181-stuck-script.jpg

[Evanelpus]

I personally don't like it but, hey ho, it is what the owners want, not us!

Danny must be spewing.

[BEagle]

I'm continually getting an IE pop-up stating: This page is accessing information that is not under its control. This poses a security risk. Do you want to continue?
I'm using IE11 on a Win7 computer on an hotel WiFi hotspot.

Never had that problem with the last software version!

Please sort this out!

[funfly]

I suppose we have to accept the increased adverts, but are there any retailable information from us, the posters? is this site now generating user profiles?

[IBobi]

When I'm reading a thread and get to the bottom, on the old Prune, I could just click the "Go" button and be taken back to the sub-forum, say Tech Log. This no longer happens. "Thread Jump" doesn't do anything. I assume the "Go" is now for going to a page number. The only way I can get back to the table of contents of sub-forum I'm in is to scroll all the way back to the top then click the page site link. Jumping to another sub-forum, say "Rumours and News", is no problem, open the dropdown then click the sub-forum. :=



You can do that, or you can click the FORUM JUMP button and select the forum you want to see.

[IBobi]

There is definitely a problem with scripts hanging on some pages. I've just sat for thirty seconds of so watching the page try to load then gave up. A quick look showed that it was a script hanging. There seem to be major issues with embedding things in posts too, with big blank spaces where people have supposedly posted things like links to photos or YouTube videos.

The text sizes seem to be all over the place too. Some devices are showing the pages with overlapping text, making things unreadable, others are either defaulting to a very tiny font size (can be manually fixed by zooming the browser, but a PITA) or an overly large font size, again which can be fixed by zooming the browser out.

It looks like there are some bugs in the display side of the new upgrade that need some fine tuning to get a consistent look across all devices/browsers, I think, plus a fix is needed for the stuff that no longer shows up in posts, although does if the post is quoted. Probably teething troubles from the upgrade that will hopefully get sorted as soon as the causes are found and the settings tweaked accordingly.

FWIW the forum does seem to look a LOT better on a Linux box than it does on either a Windows PC or an iPad. On the latter it's pretty close to being unusable, doesn't bother me as I don't use one, but I did a quick check with my wife's iPad last night and there are definitely serious issues with overlapping text etc. I've yet to check it with my tablet, which runs LineageOS, but expect it'll be OK on that, as it's essentially Linux underneath it all.

I'll see if anything can be done about the long page loads.

If you can link me to a post where there are blank spaces that should be videos, or photos, it would help, thank you.

RE: overlapping text, same -- please post a screen shot/link as I am not seeing this behavior. PLEASE NOTE: if you are using a mobile device with the full desktop version of the site, you will see some small text/inconsistencies. The mobile skin is optimized for mobile devices and we highly recommend using it.

[IBobi]

I'm continually getting an IE pop-up stating:
I'm using IE11 on a Win7 computer on an hotel WiFi hotspot.


I have no such issue when browsing on IE. Can you tell me what you are doing when this happens? Screen shot would help too.

[VP959]

I'll see if anything can be done about the long page loads.

If you can link me to a post where there are blank spaces that should be videos, or photos, it would help, thank you.

RE: overlapping text, same -- please post a screen shot/link as I am not seeing this behavior. PLEASE NOTE: if you are using a mobile device with the full desktop version of the site, you will see some small text/inconsistencies. The mobile skin is optimized for mobile devices and we highly recommend using it.

The mobile version may well be OK on a small screen, but is pretty dire on a large format tablet, where by default I (and probably anyone else with a big screen tablet) will set the default to the "normal" version. It's when the browser (in my case Firefox) is set to default to the big screen version (because the tablet has a big screen, so it's daft to just have a "letter box" mobile phone type view) that the fixed position header overlap seems to create a problem. The mobile skin isn't really usable on a big screen tablet, unfortunately (this may well be why I had problems when I tested it out using my wife's big screen iPad, too, perhaps).

This thread consistently has the lock up problem with the rotating black arrows at the bottom: https://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/411282-uk-politics-hamsterwheel-729.html which is being reported as being a stuck script (according to Firefox).

This post illustrates the big blank box issue, where some embedded content doesn't display in the post, but does pop up if you quote it, for some reason: https://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/608143-macron-parlez-vouz-anglaise-2.html#post10129598

Getting a screen grab from the tablet to show the fixed forum header blanking out the posts which scroll behind it is a bit challenging, but I'll see if I can get one if it may help sort things out.

Finally, for some reason the Private Flying sub-forum is still in the older format, it seems: https://www.pprune.org/private-flying-63/

I hope the above is useful, and I do appreciate the work that goes on behind the scenes to keep this forum going!

[Gertrude the Wombat]

This appears to be because a right hand margin has been allowed for vertical format advertsiments, which have not been sold yet.
Some now have. Exceedingly tedious flashing ads, and most of the ones I've seen so far have been scams.

However it's simple enough to move the browser window so that they're off the right hand side of the screen.

[BirdmanBerry]

Use Chrome and install Ghostery, you can refuse all the cookies and pop ups :8

[IBJoel]

Keeping an open mind, but how do I get it to use the whole screen instead just the 1st 2/3? Not mobile.

Could you post a screenshot of this?

[IBJoel]

Can someone please tell me how to get the pages looking as close to their former style as possible?



Do you have Infinite scroll still enabled? That is to say, does it look like there are bars on the top and bottom of your screen?

[IBJoel]

I'm running Firefox on everything, Windows 7, two flavours of Linux and LineageOS on a tablet, and all showed variations in text size and formatting, with the Linux machines giving what looks to me to be the best text size etc. The only other browser I've tried is whatever an iPad uses. I don't use one, but I tried to see what the site looked like on my wife's iPad last night (which had the problem with the overlapping text etc).

Not sure why scripts are hanging on some pages either - the hang seems permanent, as in it locks the page up and just shows a pair of black arrows rotating clockwise at the bottom of the page. I left it like this for around 10 minutes and it stayed the same.

When you get a page that hangs with a locked up script, it looks like this, but with the black arrows rotating clockwise:

https://www.pprune.org/members/59439-vp959-albums-vps-photos-picture1181-stuck-script.jpg

Looks like a result of having Infinite Scroll on. Go here: https://www.pprune.org/profile.php?do=editoptions
Click "Disable Infinite Scroll" and save at the bottom.

[IBobi]

The mobile version may well be OK on a small screen, but is pretty dire on a large format tablet, where by default I (and probably anyone else with a big screen tablet) will set the default to the "normal" version. It's when the browser (in my case Firefox) is set to default to the big screen version (because the tablet has a big screen, so it's daft to just have a "letter box" mobile phone type view) that the fixed position header overlap seems to create a problem. The mobile skin isn't really usable on a big screen tablet, unfortunately (this may well be why I had problems when I tested it out using my wife's big screen iPad, too, perhaps).

This thread consistently has the lock up problem with the rotating black arrows at the bottom: https://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/411282-uk-politics-hamsterwheel-729.html which is being reported as being a stuck script (according to Firefox).

This post illustrates the big blank box issue, where some embedded content doesn't display in the post, but does pop up if you quote it, for some reason: https://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/608143-macron-parlez-vouz-anglaise-2.html#post10129598

Getting a screen grab from the tablet to show the fixed forum header blanking out the posts which scroll behind it is a bit challenging, but I'll see if I can get one if it may help sort things out.

Finally, for some reason the Private Flying sub-forum is still in the older format, it seems: https://www.pprune.org/private-flying-63/

I hope the above is useful, and I do appreciate the work that goes on behind the scenes to keep this forum going!

Thank you!

I've reported the YT links issue to tech.

We are still working on the formatting so I have no idea why some forums may appear in Infinite Scroll and others do not. I'll see what is going on.

[goudie]

I have adblocker on my iPad and never see adverts. We all love what’s familiar but nothing ever stays the same. Pprune is no exception. So far it’s working ok, just different!

[fleigle]

Well, I like the "brighter" appearance but HATE the ads.
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[IBobi]

The mobile version may well be OK on a small screen, but is pretty dire on a large format tablet, where by default I (and probably anyone else with a big screen tablet) will set the default to the "normal" version. It's when the browser (in my case Firefox) is set to default to the big screen version (because the tablet has a big screen, so it's daft to just have a "letter box" mobile phone type view) that the fixed position header overlap seems to create a problem. The mobile skin isn't really usable on a big screen tablet, unfortunately (this may well be why I had problems when I tested it out using my wife's big screen iPad, too, perhaps).

This thread consistently has the lock up problem with the rotating black arrows at the bottom: https://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/411282-uk-politics-hamsterwheel-729.html which is being reported as being a stuck script (according to Firefox).

This post illustrates the big blank box issue, where some embedded content doesn't display in the post, but does pop up if you quote it, for some reason: https://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/608143-macron-parlez-vouz-anglaise-2.html#post10129598

Getting a screen grab from the tablet to show the fixed forum header blanking out the posts which scroll behind it is a bit challenging, but I'll see if I can get one if it may help sort things out.

Finally, for some reason the Private Flying sub-forum is still in the older format, it seems: https://www.pprune.org/private-flying-63/

I hope the above is useful, and I do appreciate the work that goes on behind the scenes to keep this forum going!

YT links are fixed.

[Highway1]

Some now have. Exceedingly tedious flashing ads, and most of the ones I've seen so far have been scams.

However it's simple enough to move the browser window so that they're off the right hand side of the screen.

Why not just use an adblock extension? - no more ads

https://www.pprune.org/members/475048-highway1-albums-pics-picture1183-screenshot-2018-04-25-14-25-55.png

[WHBM]

Exceedingly tedious flashing ads, and most of the ones I've seen so far have been scams.
Most of the ones I have seen there are for flying training organisations.

Of course, we could both be referring to the same thing ... :)

[grizzled]

Why not just use an adblock extension? - no more ads

https://www.pprune.org/members/475048-highway1-albums-pics-picture1183-screenshot-2018-04-25-14-25-55.png

As Highway 1 suggests, use an Ad Blocker. I have one that works well for almost all my surfing -- including pprune.

I too am finding the layout a bit daunting at first but perhaps that's just the tendency to be grumpy about change in general these days...

The best news as far as I'm concerned is the statement that posting of photos will finally be less frustrating an experience than it was in the past. I had stopped participating in some of the photo intensive fora for that reason. Perhaps I'll try again.

[ExAscoteer]

Quite frankly the fact that the page is now 2/3 of the screen owing to an Ad panel on the right, coupled with the change in colours, coupled with the change in font means that the forum now looks like a sack of *****.

[stagger]

The unfortunate thing is that Bulletin Boards are increasingly a 20th Century concept, and social media has moved on, initially to Facebook and Twitter of course, but now even leaving those behind for SnapChat, Instagram, etc - and the advertising revenues have followed.

It's a real shame. Bulletin boards provide a structured and searchable forum for discussions. Facebook groups tend to be just a repetitive stream of inane comments. It's almost impossible to have a serious discussion about anything.

[cats_five]

Keeping an open mind, but how do I get it to use the whole screen instead just the 1st 2/3? Not mobile.

You need to persuade them it needs a responsive design - one that fits itself to the size of the window it's displayed in. If you make the window narrower and narrower the data doesn't adjust.

[Pontius Navigator]

I created a thread in Jet Blast. Got a reply and then replied to that. The tread not occurs twice, the original and reply and the original, reply and my response. I tried refreshing the one with only one reply but that did nothing.

[Katamarino]

IBobi - I've tried the forums on both my tablet and phone using Android/Chrome, and there are no navigation buttons on long threads. It's impossible to view anything past the first page unless you manually add "-2" or so on in the address bar. Having no way to view anything after the first 20 posts on a thread seems like a pretty major screw up, can you address?

[Capn Bloggs]

Originally Posted by Capn Bloggs https://www.pprune.org/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (https://www.pprune.org/showthread.php?p=10129411#post10129411)
When I'm reading a thread and get to the bottom, on the old Prune, I could just click the "Go" button and be taken back to the sub-forum, say Tech Log. This no longer happens. "Thread Jump" doesn't do anything. I assume the "Go" is now for going to a page number. The only way I can get back to the table of contents of sub-forum I'm in is to scroll all the way back to the top then click the page site link. Jumping to another sub-forum, say "Rumours and News", is no problem, open the dropdown then click the sub-forum.
You can do that, or you can click the FORUM JUMP button and select the forum you want to see.
No, the problem is as I described. Say I'm reading a thread in Rumours and News. I've finished reading that thread (ie I'm at the bottom of the page) and I want to go back to Rumours and News. On the old site, "Rumours and News" would be visible in the dropdown list box, with a Go button just beside it. I could click Go and go straight back to Rumours and News TOC.

With the new site, there is no dropdown lost box and no Go button. I have to click on Forum Jump (sorry, I called it Thread Jump in my original post), which presents a list of all the forums, but when I click on Rumours and News (ie the forum I am currently in), nothing happens. This only works if I want to go to a different forum. I could go to the top of the page and click on Rumours and News on the site navigation link, but that means scrolling. Maybe I could hit the back button? This wastes time and makes the experience much worse.

Reduced functionality.

[WHBM]

Reduced functionality.
Definition of an IT upgrade :

A means of introducing bugs into programs that previously worked OK.

[El Bunto]

Here's your comment on Firefox 59 / Linux. Messy.

I appreciate that ads are considered necessary when there's no subscription offered, but on a site like this the users contribute the content. Drive-away the users and there's no... content.

[BEagle]

IBobi, the security alert I've been getting happens every time I load a PPRuNe page using this hotspot, so it might be a local issue.

DON'T BOTHER WITH ANY PUERILE 'LIKE' BUTTON!!! It was tried before, was very divisive and was removed due to user complaints.

Seriously though, this is not a good 'upgrade' - slow page loading, advertising is far too intrusive, moving image adverts in particular should be banned.

Reply font options are unacceptably limited.

Old site back PLEASE!!!

[retreating blade]

This upgrade is a terrible mistake.
i think that I will just sign off and go somewhere else.

[IBJoel]

I created a thread in Jet Blast. Got a reply and then replied to that. The tread not occurs twice, the original and reply and the original, reply and my response. I tried refreshing the one with only one reply but that did nothing.

Sorry, I don't understand. "The tread not occurs twice"?

[IBJoel]

IBobi - I've tried the forums on both my tablet and phone using Android/Chrome, and there are no navigation buttons on long threads. It's impossible to view anything past the first page unless you manually add "-2" or so on in the address bar. Having no way to view anything after the first 20 posts on a thread seems like a pretty major screw up, can you address?

Can you please attach a screenshot of the bottom of the page? Auto-loading seems to be working OK on my Android.

[IBJoel]

With the new site, there is no dropdown lost box and no Go button. I have to click on Forum Jump (sorry, I called it Thread Jump in my original post), which presents a list of all the forums, but when I click on Rumours and News (ie the forum I am currently in), nothing happens. This only works if I want to go to a different forum. I could go to the top of the page and click on Rumours and News on the site navigation link, but that means scrolling. Maybe I could hit the back button? This wastes time and makes the experience much worse.

There is indeed a dropdown box at the bottom of the page.

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[FullOppositeRudder]

After a few days using the new format PPRune, I feel I must be missing something. It works fine for me; it's as fast as it was before, pages load instantly, and I'm sorry, but I really can't find too much wrong with it. But then my requirements are simple, and by no means am I a 'power user'. I've only used it on my W7 desktop. My primary browser is Firefox, but I have sampled it using Chrome - my reaction there is essentially the same. Advertisements? Well there is a fix for that, and I've using it for years in Firefox. I do see the ads in Chrome but I can't really complain about their placement or frequency.

Normally I'm very reluctant to find much good about software revisions which come my way. Perhaps I'm missing something. Perhaps I'll find the problems others report when I get out the laptop or fire up the amateur radio computers. But for the present anyway, it ticks the boxes for me.

Thanks to the mods and the others behind the screens who are working on the reported issues :ok:.

FOR
PS. Please be careful in even thinking about incorporating a "like" button. That probably means there will have to be a "dislike" button too. This could in time turn the site into the sort of punchup which happens on many Facebook type sites where things go off the rails very quickly. This board style site has a lot going for it.

[BEagle]

FullOppositeRudder wrote: PS. Please be careful in even thinking about incorporating a "like" button. That probably means there will have to be a "dislike" button too. This could in time turn the site into the sort of punchup which happens on many Facebook type sites where things go off the rails very quickly. This board style site has a lot going for it.

Indeed! That's what happened when the stupid 'like' / 'dislike' was tried before. It isn't needed, so don't do it.

PLEASE GET RID OF THE RHS ADVERT PANEL, MOVING IMAGE ADVERTS AND ADVERTS INTRUDING INTO THE BODY OF THREADS!

[Katamarino]

Can you please attach a screenshot of the bottom of the page? Auto-loading seems to be working OK on my Android.

https://s7.postimg.cc/6jy4ochjb/Screenshot_20180427-132952.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/6jy4ochjb/)

https://s7.postimg.cc/iltiihj1z/Screenshot_20180427-133204.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/iltiihj1z/)

[VP959]

After a few days using the new format PPRune, I feel I must be missing something. It works fine for me; it's as fast as it was before, pages load instantly, and I'm sorry, but I really can't find too much wrong with it. But then my requirements are simple, and by no means am I a 'power user'. I've only used it on my W7 desktop. My primary browser is Firefox, but I have sampled it using Chrome - my reaction there is essentially the same. Advertisements? Well there is a fix for that, and I've using it for years in Firefox. I do see the ads in Chrome but I can't really complain about their placement or frequency.

Normally I'm very reluctant to find much good about software revisions which come my way. Perhaps I'm missing something. Perhaps I'll find the problems others report when I get out the laptop or fire up the amateur radio computers. But for the present anyway, it ticks the boxes for me.

Thanks to the mods and the others behind the screens who are working on the reported issues :ok:.

FOR
PS. Please be careful in even thinking about incorporating a "like" button. That probably means there will have to be a "dislike" button too. This could in time turn the site into the sort of punchup which happens on many Facebook type sites where things go off the rails very quickly. This board style site has a lot going for it.

You've probably got a reasonably fast internet connection. I tried it on my tablet with a decent 4G connection (meant driving half a mile to get a signal...) and it works as you describe, pages load reasonably quickly with no major issues.

However, at home on our pretty slow broadband the forum is barely usable, because the myriad of adverts between posts, those with moving graphics etc, all seem to have to load before any page content will full display. In some cases pages were just hanging, and not loading at all.

Switching an adblocker on fixes things, and the forum then works pretty well, but that seems a bit unfair, as it's the ads that pay for this forum now. The ads weren't a problem with the old version, but something related to this upgrade seems to have caused the ads to have priority over the content, slowing things right down when you only have a slow connection.

Interestingly, it doesn't seem directly related to connection download speed, but more related to latency. Typically every page on this forum has a script that seems to send around a dozen or more requests to servers other than the host server for PPRuNe. Most of those requests are calls for adverts from advertising servers. Some of those advertising servers seem to be slow to respond if you have a slow connection, which then seems to cause the page to stall, whilst the ad server gets it's act together and sends the full ad. Once the ad that's been holding things up loads, then the page loads OK, but this can ten tens of seconds, or even longer (I had one page that took over ten minutes and still hadn't loaded).

So the fix that a lot of those users on slower connections are going to adopt is to install an adblocker, which works very well, but seems a bit like cheating to me, and trying to get something for nothing.

It does seem that most of the changes that are annoying some are directly related to increasing the number and frequency of adverts. The bar down the right hand side it just advertising space, and it seems to be the adverts inserted between posts on a thread that are causing most of the slower page load times.

In my view I'd have thought that there has to be a balance between adverts that are seen, so generate revenue for the forum, against adverts that are so intrusive that they slow things down to the point where people start routinely using an adblocker just to get the forum to work, so the multitude of ads then never get seen, thus depriving the forum of revenue.

[Capn Bloggs]

There is indeed a dropdown box at the bottom of the page.
No, there isn't! This is the bottom of a page from Rumours and News on my PC:

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No "Go" button which used to take me back to the sub-forum Table of Contents.

IBJoel, the screenshot of yours above is what the old site looked like, with the current sub-forum shown, with the Go button right beside it. That does not exist on the new site pages.

[Highway1]

No, there isn't! This is the bottom of a page from Rumours and News on my PC:

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No "Go" button which used to take me back to the sub-forum Table of Contents.

IBJoel, the screenshot of yours above is what the old site looked like, with the current sub-forum shown, with the Go button right beside it. That does not exist on the new site pages.

The 'Forum Jump' takes you to another forum but if you simply want to go back to the top of the current forum and see the list of threads you can click on the hotlink at the top of the page.

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[Danny42C]

speke softly (#14),

Danny is a free spirit, and not in charge of anything - only marginally of himself !
Danny was quite happy with the old layout, and can see no need to change.
If PPRuNe needs more money, why not ask the people for more money ? - Wiki seems to manage very well on that basis.

Or has Danny missed something ?

[IBobi]

FullOppositeRudder wrote:

Indeed! That's what happened when the stupid 'like' / 'dislike' was tried before. It isn't needed, so don't do it.

PLEASE GET RID OF THE RHS ADVERT PANEL, MOVING IMAGE ADVERTS AND ADVERTS INTRUDING INTO THE BODY OF THREADS!
If you are on a mobile device and use the desktop skin, and zoom, this will happen. Use the mobile skin and it won't ;)

[WHBM]

Danny was quite happy with the old layout, and can see no need to change.
If PPRuNe needs more money, why not ask the people for more money ?
Or has Danny missed something ?
The fact is that the value of the site is in the contributions by the posters. That is what gets the clicks. The site owners ride along with that and are able to facilitate this and then gain all the advertising revenue. But it's like a newspaper having free journalists. Because if it wasn't for the journalists' copy, nobody would read the paper, and nobody would then see the ads. So let's not pretend the contributors owe the site owners anything. In fact, the reverse is true.

[Capn Bloggs]

The 'Forum Jump' takes you to another forum but if you simply want to go back to the top of the current forum and see the list of threads you can click on the hotlink at the top of the page.

That's my point; doing that is a nuisance. The old Go button was just sitting there, right where the end of the thread was, so to click back to the forum was easy. No so any more.

[Capn Bloggs]

Adfender works well with IE11 and Win 7. It'll cost me a small amount, an amount I would be willing to donate to use Prune. But now I have all my browsing ads blocked. :ok:

[pax britanica]

Ads arte annoying butt hey pay for things-personally i think targeted digital ads are the next financial disaster area as they are so annoying that people will soon find ways around them and bingo no more revenue.

Badly laid out buttons like finding last page and reply are almost hidden at bottom of page with small buttons.

Overall layout is cleaner and softer and more modern whatever that means but all in all its the usual product of digital media , make a lot of changes and let the users find all the problems to save us spending cash on quality control and doing the job properly. Think for a moment Mr or Ms internet brands , the aviation industry does not work this way because peopel would die -here they will just get fed up and go somewhere else

[dogsridewith]

The moving high-byte ads are off-putting to this forum's demographic, particularly those off-topic to pilots and/or in video form. Readers might respond well to advertising in the form of simple and accurate-to-subject links.

[Evanelpus]

The more I look at it, the more I hate it!

Trust me, these changes are not for the members, it's financial reasons.

Sorry but that's my opinion.

[rog747]

i'm not keen - its same platform as flyertalk and a couple of railway forums

the one thing needed please is on the unmovable bottom margin we need a 'TOP' button - say next to forum jump so we can get back to the top the page PDQ

currently you have to scroll maybe a whole page up or down to get back to the TOP button which is currently located at the bottom of the threads but it is hidden unless fully scrolled to the last one - tedious

[TURIN]

Well isn't this horrible!

What idiot thought this looked good? My eyes hurt.

[nonsense]

The moving high-byte ads...

There are ads?

There are things you can do about that on your own machine, such as AdBlockPlus.

[dogsridewith]

(long delay before quick reply accepts or shows the cursor bar required to make letters appear when tapping keys on the keyboard...What.....is......it......doing?)

An advertisement blocker would be another entity on my computer waiting to be hacked, disseminating the personal information of millions of users to unknow actors and saying "We didn't think that would happen." Then giving some free coverage by Equifax, which, in making application, attempts to collect more personal information than anyone else (so it can differentiate you from a hacker?)...and then itself is hacked and belches its records on a couple hundred million users.

[ZFT]

This is doing my nut in.

Viewing on Samsung phone in Chrome and whenever I click on a thread I've previously read it will always jump to post 1 and not to where I'd last been reading the thread. Irritating on the threads with many pages.

My major irritant too on a Blackberry with Firefox

[IBJoel]

Guys, I'll ask for breadcrumbs (like at the top of the page) to also be placed at the bottom. No promises.

[tdracer]

When I'm typing a reply, there is still a major lag between when I hit the key and when it shows up. That's bad enough, but sometimes the key strokes get recorded, other times they get lost. I can type fast normally, but now I have to type at the speed that the key strokes appear - which often takes several times as long to write something. Worse, half the time it crashes before I finish - if it wasn't for the auto-save restore I'd probably just say the heck with it and quit. I'm close to that as it is...

[IBobi]

Maybe clear your browser cache and log out and log back in, and run your AV program. Sounds like your machine is running very slow.

[macdo]

Had lots of issues with the latest Pprune. Have disabled the Infinite Scroll thing and things are nearly as good as the old version. Clearing the cache helped too. Using on a Win7 Chrome 38mbps connection.
Still unusable on my ancient Ipad on a hotel connection, so one less thing to look at downroute!

I understand that the website has to generate revenue from ads., but the right side bar is overkill.