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FlyingElmo
16th Apr 2018, 17:49
Hi all,
I have a question I hope you guys can help me with. I'm considering to convert my easa atpl (H) to an NZ CAA issued atpl. Unfortunately the NZ CAA won't accept my multi engine type ratings (H175 and H155, as they are not on the NZ CAA's register. This will be an issue for the NZ ATPL Skill test.
Does anyone have an idea on how to tackle this problem?
Is there someone who has gone through this process before?
An option is to get an additional easa multi engine type rating (on a AS355, BO105 etc no easa OSD's yet $$$.) Unfortunately I havent found any being NZ IFR certified...
Looking forward to reading your suggestions.
Thanks!
FE
What about EC135? It is pretty common in the EU and NZ. At least in the EU and US it is IR certified and used a lot in that role.
IFR ME Types in NZ.
AW 139, AW 109 E + S
EC135 + H145 and some BK117 IFR maybe??
B222 + 212?
Not all would be available to hire of course.
Outside of an IFR Operator it may be hard to schedule any sort of skills test unless you work for the operator.
Plus you will need to do Mountain and Sling if not done already - it is part of the licence and not optional.
KiwiNedNZ
16th Apr 2018, 20:24
Talk to Keith Stephens at Advanced Flight. They work closely with one of their VIP owners who has an IFR AS355N. They might be able to help you out.
SuperF
16th Apr 2018, 21:46
No 212's or 412's in NZ any more, unless Oceania happen to have one that they are moving through.
Helitranz may be able to help with i think a IFR 109??
Keith at Advanced probably has 429's available as well.
Otherwise you are probably going to have to look at rescue operators with 76, 117/145, 109, 222
Your better off converting to Australia CASA licence and then , follow the TTRMA process , it’s just a paperwork swop.
Those 2 helicopters are on the CASA register
ricksheli
17th Apr 2018, 03:13
Welcome to a truly F***d system, 17 years ago they wouldn't accept my multi time on AS355 and Bo105, as they claimed it needed to be on a type that "required" 2 crew (not many helicopter types require 2 crew, but they had transposed this from fixed wing, believe they have amended this now). At the time many Kiwi pilot's had not long received their ATPL(H) on a grandfather type method (in the packet of corn flakes)!!! Settled for just a CPL, but was somewhat pissed off as I'd gone to a great deal of effort/expense to obtain my UK ATPL(H). For me this hasn't been a problem, but I have sympathy for your position as it may limit your employment options.
Evil Twin
17th Apr 2018, 04:24
Your better off converting to Australia CASA licence and then , follow the TTRMA process , it’s just a paperwork swop.
Those 2 helicopters are on the CASA register
Seconded, the easiest way by far, if convoluted
Fareastdriver
17th Apr 2018, 06:52
You will still have to do a flight check for a CASA licence on an IFR equipped helicopter.
I converted a CAA ATPL(H) to a CASA one and it took me a month of study and dodging around the country to find a test computer to sit in front of.
https://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/419023-rotary-nostalgia-thread-84.html?highlight=Wenzhou
Posts 2503, 2504.
fadecdegraded
17th Apr 2018, 08:47
You maybe on the right track by doing the Australian licence then TTMRA, but if NZ is where you want to use it you will still have to do a IR flight test to validate it.
So that would be two flight tests may be cheaper to just do a type Rating and do the one flight test.
Not knowing any of the expense involved of course.
havick
17th Apr 2018, 09:16
You maybe on the right track by doing the Australian licence then TTMRA, but if NZ is where you want to use it you will still have to do a IR flight test to validate it.
So that would be two flight tests may be cheaper to just do a type Rating and do the one flight test.
Not knowing any of the expense involved of course.
Agreed, the TTMRA is a good work around until you start throwing in type ratings/IPC’s on the cASa system. If you try to do it via the casa system and TTMRA it across then you will likely be chasing your tail.
Unfortunately the cheapest way is likely to find the cheapest IFR twin in NZ and do the relevant missing pieces in that.
FlyingElmo
17th Apr 2018, 16:15
Thank you all for your suggestion! Much appreciated!
The TTMRA is indeed a interesting option. (with its own difficulties 3 exams + atpl skill test...) Unfortunately it still gives me a rather empty NZ CAA issued atpl as they still wont accept the ec155 or ec175.
Finding a NZ IFR certified helicopter that I can 'borrow' for the skill test is nearly impossible.
Evil Twin
18th Apr 2018, 00:23
Thank you all for your suggestion! Much appreciated!
The TTMRA is indeed a interesting option. (with its own difficulties 3 exams + atpl skill test...) Unfortunately it still gives me a rather empty NZ CAA issued atpl as they still wont accept the ec155 or ec175.
Finding a NZ IFR certified helicopter that I can 'borrow' for the skill test is nearly impossible.
Just curious then? Why do you need them on your NZ licence if there are none on the NZ register. Or is it that you would rather do the skills test on one of those types? No agenda, just curious.
FlyingElmo
18th Apr 2018, 08:16
Hi Evil Twin,
There are several reasons why I like to add them on my NZ licence (any licence).
One is that I dont have to go true the Multi Engine IR (H) SP/MP things all over again. I rather have them lapsed but registered somewhere than doing the full type rating training again. ($$$) You never know when they come in handy again.
It is very expensive to get type ratings on multi engine machines (especially in EASA-land). I cant just pick an new type rating and hope for the best.
Btw the NZ CAA's argument for not recognising them is that they are not on the NZ register and because they are not on the register there is no possiblity to do the test.
Although they recognise a few overseas training facilities (like airbus germany), they dont seem to recognise the most important one. Airbus Helicopters Training Service in France...Where I did my factory training... Chicken-Egg
Edit: Just read some material from NZ CAA regarding TTMRA;
'Australian command type endorsements may be eligible to be transferred into the NZ system if the aircraft type is listed on the NZ Civil Aircraft Register.'
Circle complete...
fadecdegraded
18th Apr 2018, 09:21
Hi Elmo
In NZ land it won’t make any difference to your IR (H) SP or MP ratings if you have those type ratings on your NZ licence or not.
The long and the short of it is that if there are none of those types on the NZ register then there is no benefit to have them on your licence, if that type were to be put on the register at some stage in the future it is a very simple process to transfer your EASA type rating to NZ licence.
As far as the SP/ MP ratings go, there are none for Heli’s in NZ.
You get tested to single pilot or two pilot standard when you do your IR flight test.
If you are going to fly in NZ IFR there is no getting away from doing a type rating on a type that is used for IFR in NZ.
You may get away with doing just a NZ law exam for ATPL if you can prove you have 500 hrs or more of ATPL time ( PIC in a multi crew).
If not it will be a flight test for IR first then a ATPL flight test.
It’s buried in the ACs on the NZCAA website but think I have basicly right.
Looking on the bright side it will be a lot easier to convert from EASA to NZ than the other way around.
FlyingElmo
27th Apr 2018, 13:22
Thank you all for your reply.
Unfortunately I'm still at the same position as a few weeks ago. recap; EC175, EC155 not an option, not on NZ register. EC145,Ec135,AW139,429 due to EASA OSD to costly :( .
AS355 IR registered in NZ not available for NZ ATPL (H) Skill test.
BO105 no IR registered aircraft in NZ.
BK117 available in NZ, not in Europe...
:ugh:
@fadecdegraded; The problem is that I have do the ATPL (H) skill test on a multi engine machine in NZ. If I fly them ever again that is a completely different story...
Going for a NZ CPL (H) is an option but different rules apply.
fadecdegraded
27th Apr 2018, 19:52
I,m not sure I fully understand why you need to have a type that you are rated on in EASA land to do your conversion in NZ.
The long and the short of it are you will need to be rated on the machine that you need to use for your test regardless of where the rating was issued.
Anyway there are S76s in EASA and there are S76s in NZ that are operated IFR and are used for ATPL flight tests.
It may be worth calling NEST (Northland Emergency Services Trust) and asking about what you want to do.
They also have a certified sim up there for IFR training as well.