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ORAC
16th Apr 2018, 06:57
I thought I’d open this thread as, listening to BBC R5L this morning nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing about this is being reported. Whilst it would seem it major enough to be considered as at least the equivalent of Thatcher vs the miners - or 1968?

This, of course, ignores the ongoing railway strikes......

Thousands of riot police fight losing battle against anarchists (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/thousands-of-riot-police-fight-losing-battle-against-anarchists-g3vjk380z)

Police fought pitched battles with left-wing activists across France yesterday as President Macron’s attempt to face down anarchist groups veered into chaos. The groups are occupying 15 universities around the country and a tract of countryside near Nantes in the west, where the main struggle between the state and those defying it is being fought out.

More than 2,500 riot police were deployed for the sixth day running in an attempt to restore order to the fields in Notre-Dame-des-Landes that have been described as an anarchist utopia. As in previous days, officers clashed with activists trying to maintain a camp that sprang up almost a decade ago and which they have named a Zone à Défendre (ZAD), or defence zone. Riot police officers came under a hail of stones and other projectiles and one was taken to hospital with wounds after being hit by a homemade explosive device.

The camp was originally set up by protesters seeking to block the construction of an international airport to serve the Atlantic coast. Mr Macron scrapped the project in January but said he would dislodge the anarchists who have turned the site into their home. They are refusing to budge. Mr Macron’s decision to order a police intervention in Notre-Dame-des-Landes was seen as a key test of his authority. He wanted to prove that he was made of tougher stuff than François Hollande, his feeble Socialist predecessor, who failed to stop anarchists taking root in the camp.

However, the initiative is not going to plan. Although police have been trying to dislodge the anarchists all week, there are now more than 700 of them at the site in Notre-Dame-des-Landes, compared with about 250 when the intervention started. Officers were attacked by about 300 protesters, some armed with petrol bombs, who attempted to gain access to rebuild squats at the camp yesterday morning. About 3,000 to 4,000 people later flocked there for a peaceful rally defending the camp, police said.

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General Richard Lizurey, director-general of the gendarmerie, said the operation to clear the camp had been undermined by the presence of “the far-left” including “black bloc” protesters, demonstrators dressed in black who often clash with police at protests around the world. Ouest France, the regional daily, said that Mr Macron’s initiative had turned into a fiasco. “More than 4,000 stun grenades have been fired [in Notre-Dame-des-Landes] and at the end of the day, the situation has not improved at all,” the newspaper said. “On the contrary, it has become worse.”

A total of more than 45 gendarmes and about 150 activists have been injured in confrontations at the camp. Worse still for the president, the police failure to dismantle the camp has encouraged protests elsewhere.

Students are protesting against his plans to reform the university admission system to channel school-leavers towards subjects in which they are likely to succeed, rather than whatever they wish to study as is the case now. They are occupying about 15 universities, including a site at the Sorbonne in Paris, proclaiming their own ZADs among the lecture theatres. Many of the Zadists, as they are known, hope to foment an uprising of the sort that occurred in France in May 1968 by joining forces with striking railway workers.

In Montpellier, in the south of the country, on Saturday, about 2,000 activists fought running battles with police in a protest organised to defend students occupying universities and the anarchists of Notre-Dame-des-Landes. Shop windows were smashed, projectiles rained down on police and 51 people were arrested.

There were similar scenes in Nantes where 6,700 people held a protest on Saturday against Mr Macron’s attempt to dismantle the anarchist camp. Gérard Collomb, the interior minister, denounced the violence and said 12 people had been arrested in Nantes.

French police injured in clashes with anti-government protesters | News | DW | 15.04.2018 (http://www.dw.com/en/french-police-injured-in-clashes-with-anti-government-protesters/a-43393396)

meadowrun
16th Apr 2018, 07:37
Anarchists.


Don't really hear much about them these days.
Is it just a Ffrance thing or Europe?
How does an anarchist support themself?
Just what exactly does your typical anarchist want? Is it better?

vapilot2004
16th Apr 2018, 08:39
Just what exactly does your typical anarchist want?

Something a bit further round the bend from the Libertarians, perhaps.

sitigeltfel
16th Apr 2018, 08:48
1500 hundred bikers were holding a peaceful demonstration in Aix-en-Provence yesterday against the proposed introduction of a 80kph speed limit on some roads.
Peaceful that is, until two men of "North African" appearance tried to force their way through in a car.
One of them pulled out a large knife and slashed two of the bikers until Karma stepped in and he accidentally stabbed his mate the driver in the leg, requiring him to be rushed to hospital with severe bleeding.

https://medias.laprovence.com/rSiYaijF7BuFKViP70PQumOEsKo=/850x575/top/smart/817e31c5787e475f9320a6a43a81887b/20180416_1_2_1_1_1_obj17287723_1.jpg

strake
16th Apr 2018, 09:44
Pft! Comme d'habitude for the cities - the Gendarmerie see it as a bit of useful exercise. Meanwhile in the countryside, life continues as normal. Spring is welcomed and everyone gets on with everyone else.

Tankertrashnav
16th Apr 2018, 09:47
Listened to an interesting programme on Radio 4 this morning about the student protests in Paris in 1968. One point made was by far the vast majority of "soixante-huitards" (1968ers) eventually became the sort of people they were protesting about, gradually slipping into comfortable jobs in the civil service and commerce. Seems this is a French thing, and this lot are merely reliving their history which goes back via 1968, the Paris commune of 1871, the events of 1830 and the original revolution of 1789.

Seems to me that present day feather bedded French workers and students have little to protest about, with terms and conditions undreamt of in the rest of the developed world. They remind me of spoilt kids who, the more you indulge them, the worse behaved they get.

I am pretty sure Macron will crumble, as all his predecessor have done.

Ogre
16th Apr 2018, 10:04
Listened to an interesting programme on Radio 4 this morning about the student protests in Paris in 1968. One point made was by far the vast majority of "soixante-huitards" (1968ers) eventually became the sort of people they were protesting about, gradually slipping into comfortable jobs in the civil service and commerce. Seems this is a French thing, and this lot are merely reliving their history which goes back via 1968, the Paris commune of 1871, the events of 1830 and the original revolution of 1789.

Seems to me that present day feather bedded French workers and students have little to protest about, with terms and conditions undreamt of in the rest of the developed world. They remind me of spoilt kids who, the more you indulge them, the worse behaved they get.


I think that sounds like teenagers / early 20's anywhere in the world. All those 60's hippies who wanted to abandon the establishment are now running big businesses and retiring with a fat pension, all the 70's punk rockers are now middle managers with a semi-detached and 2.4 children...

Looking at some of the events in universities in the US and Canada, the students over there are just as bad with their gender pronouns and safe spaces, in general it's "I want something so I'll kick and scream until I get it" everywhere you look.

In the UK in the 80's and 90's it was the new age travellers skipping from protest to protest (usually bypasses for some reason) stopping only to pick up their dole money and fill the transit van with petrol. I remember watching a very interesting documentary about a sub-class of professional protestors who moved from cause to cause just for the agro. When the cold war ended and the Berlin wall came down they couldn't protest the bomb anymore so they moved into bypasses, now their kids are carrying on the family tradition.

I did like the protest against the plan to "channel school-leavers towards subjects in which they are likely to succeed, rather than whatever they wish to study as is the case now", good show it might get rid of some of the mickey mouse degrees you can study now.

As for the anarchists, I used to be told that the one bunch of uniformed thugs you didn't want to cross were the French riot police.

strake
16th Apr 2018, 10:12
As for the anarchists, I used to be told that the one bunch of uniformed thugs you didn't want to cross were the French riot police.

A little known fact is that the French CRS are generally employed as lifeguards on beaches in July and August - and remarkably friendly they are too. Possibly, because someone isn't aiming a scaffolding bar at their head...

Barksdale Boy
16th Apr 2018, 10:20
Daniel Cohn-Bendit is now the establishment.

wiggy
16th Apr 2018, 11:03
A little known fact is that the French CRS are generally employed as lifeguards on beaches in July and August - and remarkably friendly they are too.

+1...and down near us they also the specialist mountain rescue people...

Tankertrashnav
16th Apr 2018, 11:25
As an aside why would bikers protest against an 80 kph speed limit? (post #4)

Since when did bikers anywhere pay the slightest attention to speed limits? ;)

sidevalve
16th Apr 2018, 12:52
For some here, protesting is a rite of passage.
I saw a demo here a few years ago, a bunch of self-conscious schoolkids aged about 14, holding up banners and one with a loud-hailer doing the old "What do we want" and "When do we want it" schtick. They lolloped around town trying to look "en colère" before going home for lunch.
Tick VG..

sitigeltfel
19th Apr 2018, 11:19
There is a large demonstration in Marseille today organised by the communist CGT union to protest against Macron's reforms. The CGT has announced that 65,000 people are taking part while independent monitors reckon the crowd to be around 5,700.
Socialists, always guaranteed to create inflation!

sidevalve
19th Apr 2018, 11:56
I passed a large 'manif' outside Castorama here this morning.. the usual CGT rent-a-mob were out in force..

meadowrun
19th Apr 2018, 11:59
Can't they wait until their three month summer holidays to do this stuff?