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james ozzie
12th Apr 2018, 04:12
We (2) are travelling eco. on Emirates to Dubai/UK next week. Our cheap tickets mean that we cannot choose a seat; we do not know where we have been placed or even if we are together. Mrs JO won't pay the ransom money to choose a seat and instead feels we should take our chances on the 48 hour check-in. On the other hand, I do not relish the prospect of 14+7 hours in the metal tube Y class and would rather be scammed to choose a seat, exactly as the airline intended.

Oh yes, it will be Friday night so I guess that means full.

What do the seasoned travellers here advise?

I do feel a resentment at this hidden price gouge; really as a matter of principle. Here in Australia, they have banned the practice of charging a separate credit card fee on an on-line ticket purchase when it is the only way you can pay. I wonder if the seat-choosing scam will one day be similarly viewed?

Someone rumoured that US carriers deliberately split up parties to encourage payments.

Sultan Ismail
12th Apr 2018, 04:51
May I advise you to check-in when the 48 hour bell rings. My usual carriers Malaysian and Singapore send an email.
Then get on the Emirates site, you will have an option to "Change your seat", look for a pair of seats,take it from there.
I presume you are both on one booking (PNR) in which case check-in is a very quick process.
DON'T print your boarding passes until you are totally satisfied, that's a one-way door.
Good luck

Ovation
12th Apr 2018, 05:49
I'd be surprised if you don't already know, but aisle seats near toilets are the worst, followed closely by the galley area. There's a site called seatguru that will wise you up.

megan
12th Apr 2018, 06:30
Have always refused to pay to select a seat. Found, even on Emirates, that if you check in together you will be seated next to each other, never worried about the 48 hour thing, just rocked up to the airport, never had a problem.

Sultan Ismail
12th Apr 2018, 06:51
A blast from the .... toilet.
I would agree with Ovation above, however I was more than surprised on a long haul last week in an A350 that there is no "whoosh" outside the toilet, a big exercise has taken place in sound proofing.
I was on Singapore, next week it's Malaysian's A350 to London. I will compare.

Totally agree about Galley area, Overture for Timpani :(

sitigeltfel
12th Apr 2018, 07:32
Nah, the worst seat is the one next to the grossly obese smelly bloke. :yuk:

B Fraser
12th Apr 2018, 07:55
That can happen in club or first. A word with the CSD on the quiet usually works.

Scams such as speedy boarding or seat selection only work because sheeple pay for it. There's nothing funnier than watching smug people in the fast queue being first on the bus to the aircraft. They are inevitably the last off. It's the same on arrival where most pax are quick to jump up and stand in the aisle dodging the avalanche of bags being pulled from lockers.. I sit there reading my book until the plane begins to empty. The checked bags rarely win the race to the collection hall.

Ancient Mariner
12th Apr 2018, 07:58
Never had a problem with Emirate's 48 hour rule. Always been able to find aisle seat for wife and I.
Last time from Denpasar via Dubai to Oslo on triple-7 we had the front two seater at the rear. Very nice, only problem being last off, still had to wait for luggage.
Per

ImageGear
12th Apr 2018, 08:10
The flight component of the ticket is the loss leader, seat selection and extra baggage reach 99% pure profit. (Contribution to bottom line.)

The airlines generate maximum revenue from components where the margins are best. These days it is appropriate to balance the complete offering against total cost.

Also consider what economy looks like on Qatar or Emirates compared to BA or Thompson. Legroom, comfort, service, food, number of toilets available There is a reason why Qatar is almost at the top of economy carriers, while BA is down around 17th and it is not based on seat cost.

IG

Anilv
12th Apr 2018, 08:11
Back in the gold old days.. the ground staff would go thru the flight and assign seats to the passengers who are traveling in groups, Special needs, frequent traveler cards etc. Not so much that they were good guys but this was found to be the best way to avoid long drawn out conversations at the check-in counters. Nothing worse than a single parent with 3 small kids scattered throughout the cabin.

Also on some aircraft load-distribution is a factor. No load-sheet man like to find all the passenger seated in the front of the aircraft when he does the loadsheet so he might instruct the counter supervisor on how to manage the passengers. As an example, on the 747 combi we used to be pretty heavy to the rear and we sometimes had to get as much pax into the forward pax zones to give us better margins.

Even when seat-selection became a paid-for privilege, the staff would do their best to pre-seat everyone if the flight was more than half full. Of course on a overbooked flight this was not always possible but the ground staff would always try to clean up the name list as much as possible to save time.

bug

Pontius Navigator
12th Apr 2018, 08:45
Last flight we booked seats as soon as booking opened - 4 of us so went tandem pairs. Those who had not booked were allocated tandem singles.

As for smelly blokes. Had one Emirates flight, convinced the asswipe next to me had never done it. The pungent aroma was stronger that a simple gas release.

tezzer
12th Apr 2018, 09:17
Isn't travel glamorous these days ?

ExSp33db1rd
12th Apr 2018, 09:31
I do feel a resentment at this hidden price gouge; really as a matter of principle. Here in Australia, they have banned the practice of charging a separate credit card fee on an on-line ticket purchase when it is the only way you can pay.

Please tell that to Air New Zealand, they still do that.

Also refuse to pay for "special" seat selection, total rip-off.

We often select the non-extra charge last row, this sometimes reduces to 2 abreast window and aisle only, ( no one else to disturb) due to shape of fuselage, the seats recline just as much as all the other ones and there is no one behind to object, and as the wearer of a colostomy bag I am near to the toilet should I need it in a hurry and have to wave my "Get out of jail free " card ( you don't want to know) should I desperately require the toilet during seat belt illuminated times.

UniFoxOs
12th Apr 2018, 10:19
Yes, we used to go for those whenever we could, most a/c seem to have a couple of rows of only 2 abreast at the back and, strangely enough, they get to the destination at exactly the same time as the ones at the front. And nearer to the galley if you want to try and scrounge an extra brandy after dinner.

Krystal n chips
12th Apr 2018, 11:55
That can happen in club or first. A word with the CSD on the quiet usually works.

Scams such as speedy boarding or seat selection only work because sheeple pay for it. There's nothing funnier than watching smug people in the fast queue being first on the bus to the aircraft. They are inevitably the last off. It's the same on arrival where most pax are quick to jump up and stand in the aisle dodging the avalanche of bags being pulled from lockers.. I sit there reading my book until the plane begins to empty. The checked bags rarely win the race to the collection hall.

Same as being on a bus going into Derby bus station then....the bus isn't actually going any further ( hopefully ) when it stops at the stand, but, no matter, the exodus preparation often commences on entry to the bus station anyway.

Back to the angst of seating and fellow pax and why being near the galley is marginally more aromatic than the toilet...

cattletruck
12th Apr 2018, 12:02
My 2018 EK ticket cost me > $2K. They gave me free seat selection on the way up, and I paid $20 for a single seat selection on the longest sector on the way down.

Departing at the start of school holidays I feel it's better to be safe than sorry. But it's a lottery - they take your money and you can only hope for the best.

Kiltrash
12th Apr 2018, 12:15
On a similar vein of added extras, we are going to Mexico and from Canada and the best flights for timings were also the cheapest and included Hold Baggage and seat allocation

The from Mexico into US and onto Canada there are no options that include hold baggage or Seat Allocations so end up as a extra

I appreciate different firms different policy but why can there not be a standard price structure?... ease of comparison

ps If Seat Selection is not included I just check in at the start of the free period and we have always (unfortunately) been sat together... even LoCo

Pontius Navigator
12th Apr 2018, 17:44
Yes, we used to go for those whenever we could, most a/c seem to have a couple of rows of only 2 abreast at the back and, strangely enough, they get to the destination at exactly the same time as the ones at the front. And nearer to the galley if you want to try and scrounge an extra brandy after dinner.
On one flight high numbers boarded at the rear. On arrival this pax pushed his way passed me to get to the back. I tried to stop him but he would have nothing of it. He was determined to get there first. Sadly only the front steps were there ,:)

old,not bold
12th Apr 2018, 18:46
OK Pontius, I give up. Could you add a few words to explain that again?

james ozzie
12th Apr 2018, 19:35
OP here. Thanks for the input, everyone. It looks like the 48hr check-in is an OK option and will keep Mrs JO happy too.

highflyer40
12th Apr 2018, 19:36
We (2) are travelling eco. on Emirates to Dubai/UK next week. Our cheap tickets mean that we cannot choose a seat; we do not know where we have been placed or even if we are together. Mrs JO won't pay the ransom money to choose a seat and instead feels we should take our chances on the 48 hour check-in. On the other hand, I do not relish the prospect of 14+7 hours in the metal tube Y class and would rather be scammed to choose a seat, exactly as the airline intended.

Oh yes, it will be Friday night so I guess that means full.

What do the seasoned travellers here advise?

I do feel a resentment at this hidden price gouge; really as a matter of principle. Here in Australia, they have banned the practice of charging a separate credit card fee on an on-line ticket purchase when it is the only way you can pay. I wonder if the seat-choosing scam will one day be similarly viewed?

Someone rumoured that US carriers deliberately split up parties to encourage payments.

Not really a “hidden” cost though is it.

I don’t see the problem with it. If you are fussed you save money if you want a seat pay for it. It’s not a surprise hidden cost you have to pay before you board.

I quite like HBO fares as almost always travel with hand baggage only, even long haul.

Pegpilot
12th Apr 2018, 21:57
Do Ryanair drivers have to pay to reserve 0A and 0B ? It wouldn't surprise me.....

ExSp33db1rd
13th Apr 2018, 01:00
On my last flight, travelling alone, and having selected - at no extra cost - my favourite rear row aisle seat and printed my boarding card, I arrived at the airport and was issued a different seat, due, they said to " Security reasons". Turned out that two pax. were being deported and the "escorts" demanded that the whole of the rear row port to starboard was unoccupied, except for themselves and their prisoners.

In the end, at the boarding gate, I was allowed to have my first choice as the "security" no longer applied, they didn't board, so I ended up being the only occupant of that row, and enjoyed two seats to myself.

Thinks - had I paid for a premium seat, would they have refunded the charge had the "security" reason still prevailed ? knowing Air NZ I bet not.

Slightly different, but still price gouging. I flew Air NZ from Auckland to my home regional airport, and was just unable to guarantee making the 11.00 am flight, so booked the 4.00 pm one.

Events changed and I arrived at the airport at around 10.30 am and asked if seats were still available on the 11.00 still boarding, and any chance ? Yes, but pay us $50. for Admin costs. 'ang on a minnit, wot Admin. charges ? Had I asked you to change my booking before I arrived, then yes, there might be some work to do, but here I am, with my ticket, no baggage to load, no Imm. or Secuity to delay my boarding, just let me run to the gate, and if you let me take one of the seats you are about to send off empty you might be able to re-sell my 4.00 pm set again ? Cannot.

In the end I sat facing this knucklehead for 4 hours, reading my book and occasionally glaring at him.

By contrast, in the USA, similar timings but booked on the earlier flight, it was "suggested" that I might be interested in helping their embarrassing overbooking problem and accept a $200 voucher for future travel if I stayed behind for the later flight. I enjoyed that stay at the airport. Southwest.

krismiler
13th Apr 2018, 01:40
In the event that you have a tight connection on a through ticket, you will often be allocated a seat towards the front of the aircraft automatically so save your money.

On short flights under about 2 hours it doesn’t really matter so I won’t pay. On a long haul over about 8 hours especially if it’s a night flight, I might consider the extra cost worthwhile.

If flying low cost, then definitely pay for a premium seat as the standard of the other passengers can be less than desirable and these people won’t pay a penny more than they have to. An extra few pounds to sit in the front row away from the chavs and football hooligans is well worth it.

Pontius Navigator
13th Apr 2018, 08:39
Kris miller, not necessarily true.

One flight we booked premium economy, similar to short haul business class.

First two rows were filled with Fatarsers who would not fit in economy seats. In addition to trying to drink the bar dry they broached their carry on duty free too. Sad to say, the FAs treated them to a first rate service. Maybe a tactic to ensure they stated well oiled and malleable.

goudie
13th Apr 2018, 15:00
What or wherever you book a seat it’s a bit of a lottery. I flew to the USA in premium economy earlier this year. Across the aisle a baby cried for most of the journey. I envied the lot at at the back, in economy!

beamer
13th Apr 2018, 15:06
I'm flying to Greece later in the summer with the Company I used to fly for until retirement - Thomson/Tui. Damned if we are going to pay extra to choose a seat....its a scam, con, whatever you want to call it. We shall take the chance on the day and if its seperate seats, so be it and we'll spend the money on a decent meal !

Fliegenmong
14th Apr 2018, 01:31
Did the online 24 hour check on Air Vanuatu very recently.....please to see Mrs Fliegs and I had been allocated an exit row, no charge!

Heading up to CPH later in the year with AY....def. pay the extra for the front 2 seats on their magnificent A350.... :)

36050100
14th Apr 2018, 17:40
I think there's a potential flight safety issue associated with splitting up families just because they wouldn't pay to be seated together. If Dad is at one end of the aircraft whilst Mum & kids are elsewhere, he might be in my way whilst I'm trying to get off in an evacuation.

Just saying.

pax britanica
14th Apr 2018, 19:08
Not always a scam . American airlines offer a sort of basic economy which is not appealing but pay for the standard or classic economy and I got loads of extra leg room and priority boarding on US domestics MIA -SJU and SJU-PHL . And it was was a modest price.

Worst for this scam- of course it is BA , Alex Cruz is just scum there really is no other word for him the way he treats staff and pax , one can only hope his evil deeds catch up with him.

As for no glamour in flying any more-well that can be true but there is no smoking either which for a non smoker was worse than sitting near the galley and next to the fat smelly woman ( cannot be too sexist these days)

oscarisapc
14th Apr 2018, 22:33
I've just booked a return flight for two to France this summer peak time for £280 total. Ryanair offered a 20% discount on the price if I allowed them to allocate us any random seats and restrict us to one item of hand baggage - unheard of generosity! Many folk would gladly take them up on their offer. We didn't, but nor do we regard the total package price of our trip as a rip off or scam.

Pontius Navigator
15th Apr 2018, 08:53
Pax Britannia, we find that with the smoking ban our sensitivity to smoke is greatly increased :(. Before we had the smoke. Now we have the stink even when they aren't smoking.

BlankBox
16th Apr 2018, 02:51
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDgWUf36Buw

...just couldn't resist..:p