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vctenderness
2nd Apr 2018, 14:19
A Corbyn supporting group known as Labour for Democratic Socialism has a new definition of ‘democratic’.

With regard to Theresa May they posted on social media that “what she needs is a .45 bullet in the back of the head”.

Now call me old fashioned but I thought democratic meant that you removed the opposition at the ballot box in order to elevate your chosen candidate to the position of PM.

Ohhh Jeremy Corbyn:ugh:

racedo
2nd Apr 2018, 14:44
A Corbyn supporting group known as Labour for Democratic Socialism has a new definition of ‘democratic’.

With regard to Theresa May they posted on social media that “what she needs is a .45 bullet in the back of the head”.

Now call me old fashioned but I thought democratic meant that you removed the opposition at the ballot box in order to elevate your chosen candidate to the position of PM.

Ohhh Jeremy Corbyn:ugh:

Group nobody ever heard of makes a statement on Social Media and somehow person they are supporting is supposedly responsible for what they say........................

National Front once made a statement in support of Maggie T, somehow you would reverse this and now Maggie T was a supporter National Front !!!!
Even I would bother making that conenction.

Its Social Media where people are duped into putting personal stuff so it can be monitised and sold to someone who wants to understand what boring lives we all lead.

funfly
2nd Apr 2018, 15:08
Welcome to false news

vctenderness
2nd Apr 2018, 15:58
Did I say Corbyn was responsible?

The point of my post was the use of the word DEMOCRATIC.

there is no doubt that this group support Corbyn.

ShotOne
2nd Apr 2018, 16:15
Unfortunately it’s nothing new. Calls for murder of political opponents has been a Labour staple, going back to Mrs Thatcher and more recently Esther McVey (“lynch the bitch”). No need to look at loosely connected fringe groups It comes straight from the top

TURIN
2nd Apr 2018, 16:28
The establishment must be getting very concerned by this Corbyn chap. All I hear is more and more so called media types slagging him off left right and centre.

Is support for JC really growing that much?

Unfortunately it’s nothing new. Calls for murder of political opponents has been a Labour staple, going back to Mrs Thatcher and more recently Esther McVey (“lynch the bitch”). No need to look at loosely connected fringe groups It comes straight from the top

Gods forbid that anyone on JB should demand the head on a plate of (insert politician here). That would never happen.

Gertrude the Wombat
2nd Apr 2018, 16:36
Gods forbid that anyone on JB should demand the head on a plate of (insert politician here). That would never happen.
As part of their personal safety training politicians are taught to report all death threats to the police.

(I only received one, and instead of calling the police straight away I called the housing office first, this being a council tenant. They told me he was a known nutter, but very carefully did not say "harmless nutter", just in case they were wrong about that bit.

Thing is, the council did circulate an "avoid" list of known potentially violent people, but this was completely useless because it was "tell nobody else and eat after reading, because of data protection".)

ShotOne
2nd Apr 2018, 19:17
“God forbid anyone on JB should demand....”. The point is, it wasn’t anyone on JB but John McDonnel. To this day no retraction nor any breath of apology. Nor the slightest censure from anyone in the party.

Rail Engineer
2nd Apr 2018, 19:48
“God forbid anyone on JB should demand....”. The point is, it wasn’t anyone on JB but John McDonnel. To this day no retraction nor any breath of apology. Nor the slightest censure from anyone in the party.Double standards, lies, hypocrisy, manipulation of facts, the use of disingenuous statements, misuse of statistics, and the repetition on downright known untruths and lies are the staple diet of the Left.

For perfect example is the so called "Bedroom Tax". A tax is raised against earnings or other unearned income. The changes to housing benefit reduced the "benefit level" paid and thus was not tax raising by any interpretation. We still continue to hear Labour and LibDem representatives using this term when it is clearly wrong.

Other manipulations include comparing new and previous changes to benefits for example so as to appear to demonstrate a disadvantage. I was told last week of a recent case where what in effect became an increase in income for many people was being portrayed by Labour and the Left by the use of out of date figures calculated in a different manner which had the impact of suggesting that the increase was actually a decrease.

This was put to bed by one of the fact checker sites but the fact that the Left continue to lies and distort I find a disgrace, and sadly not one of them has the balls to stop it - or enter a debate using correct facts and figures and a little honesty. :yuk:

DaveReidUK
2nd Apr 2018, 20:07
Gosh, who would have thought that politicians distort statistics for their own ends?

racedo
2nd Apr 2018, 20:26
Gosh, who would have thought that politicians distort statistics for their own ends?

Wonder when Boris is going to give the NHS £350 M extra per day or was it week.................. really doesn't matter as it was always fake.

Gertrude the Wombat
2nd Apr 2018, 20:36
For perfect example is the so called "Bedroom Tax". A tax is raised against earnings or other unearned income. The changes to housing benefit reduced the "benefit level" paid and thus was not tax raising by any interpretation. We still continue to hear Labour and LibDem representatives using this term when it is clearly wrong.
You'll find LibDems (not all perhaps but certainly some) using the term "spare room subsidy". It goes roughly like this:

(1) People who can't afford somewhere to live get some money called "housing benefit" towards their rents.

(2) Once Upon A Time this was paid at a rate depending on the actual rent they were paying, regardless of whether they were renting a vast mansion well above anything they could ever dream of affording on their own.

(3) Labour brought in a rule which said that you only get housing benefit for the size of house you would be allocated as a council house, ie according to your housing "need", as defined by regulation. But they only applied this to private tenants, and carried on paying council tenants for however many bedrooms they'd managed to acquire. This reduction in the subsidy for spare bedrooms for private tenants only got called "the bedroom tax".

(4) The coalition, claiming fairness, applied these rules to council tenants as well as private ones, causing vast faux outrage from Labour, who'd invented this "bedroom tax" in the first place.

Having said all of which, there is (quite apart from the hard edge cases[#]) an issue around the definition of "need". Left to themselves, people who provide their own housing mostly decide, when they can afford to do so, to spend money on over-housing themselves to the extent of one spare bedroom (and they spend any additional money they've got on other things, rather than additional spare bedrooms). So there is a theory, which nobody will implement because it's unaffordable, that if housing benefit is to house people to the same standards as they would house themselves then it should aim at one, rather than no, "spare" bedroom.

[#] There was quite a substantial chunk of central government cash available to housing authorities to deal with the hard edge cases on a discretionary basis. What councils did with this appears to fall into two groups:

(a) apply the money to ensure that none of the hard edge cases end up being unreasonably hard done by

(b) apply no discretion at all, and apply the rules as strictly as possible, so that as many hard edge cases as possible are badly hit by the change (and, as you will by now have guessed, these are Labour councils, hurting people deliberately so that they can blame it on the Tory government).

sitigeltfel
2nd Apr 2018, 20:38
Wonder when Boris is going to give the NHS £350 M extra per day or was it week.................. really doesn't matter as it was always fake.

The £350m per week was an underestimation. That figure was never promised to go to the NHS, it was the amount the UK sends to Brussels. Those interpreting it as such are either fools or liars, possibly both. Desperate, desperate stuff.