EK Leaving question

[pumpkin]

To clarify as I cannot find the answer in the resignation thread... if your last actual day of flying is for example Sept 1, then 1. Does the company give you Sept 2nd-4th or 2nd-6th to get your paperwork done (some say 3 days, some say 5 days in the past) ? 2. Do they consider the last day of service then the 1st or the 5th? 3. Does the repatriation ticket have to be booked 30 days from the 1st or the 5th? 4. What day do they actually hand over "the cheque"?
Thanks

[Desdihold]

You will be given three working days in which to turn in your passport for visa cancellation.

As an example.

Your last flight arrives in Dubai on a Sunday morning.
The company will schedule you to have three working days off for visa cancellation, Mon Tues wed .

Wednesday will be your last day on payroll.

If your last flight arrives in Dubai on a Tuesday then you will still be scheduled for three working days off but it will look like five due to the weekend.
As an example,wed and Thursday are working days , Friday and Saturday are not and therefore not part of your three days..... Sunday is the 3rd working day.

Hopefully this explains why some people are given three days off at the end and some five.
Everyone gets three working days off.

[Desdihold]

Repat ticket....
It can be booked right at the end of the 90 days if you need the extra time in Dubai.
You can also schedule the ticket up to 28 days after the last day of service.... Don't feel like you are required to leave dxb the next day.
The 28 day limit maybe a 30 day limit,buts it's pretty close.
A friend just went through this and I kept notes.

[Desdihold]

The cheque.... Or as they call it , the final settlement is given to you when you return to pick up your passport.

You can go to nbd bank downstairs and cash it on the same day if you wish.

There is no requirement to close any bank account or for ek to collect your residence card either.

[pumpkin]

Repat ticket....
It can be booked right at the end of the 90 days if you need the extra time in Dubai.

A friend just went through this and I kept notes.

Thanks for the reply. Just to clarify do you mean your 90 day notice period? My understanding is you have 30 days from last day of service (the day they take your visa) to use that ticket (I suspect it lines up with how long anyone after their visa is cancelled to leave the country)- are you saying I could book a repatriation leaving Dubai more than 30 days after LDS?

[pumpkin]

You will be given three working days in which to turn in your passport for visa cancellation.

As an example.

Your last flight arrives in Dubai on a Sunday morning.
The company will schedule you to have three working days off for visa cancellation, Mon Tues wed .

Wednesday will be your last day on payroll.

If your last flight arrives in Dubai on a Tuesday then you will still be scheduled for three working days off but it will look like five due to the weekend.
As an example,wed and Thursday are working days , Friday and Saturday are not and therefore not part of your three days..... Sunday is the 3rd working day.

Hopefully this explains why some people are given three days off at the end and some five.
Everyone gets three working days off.


Yup that makes sense . Thanks for that !:ok:

[Desdihold]

You are correct,
The 30 day clock starts from the last day of service, book the ticket before your last day of service and use it within 30 days of your last day of service.

I modified my post above to hopefully clarify this.

Your repat ticket is the same as an ALT... It is confirmed... Business for cpts and economy for first officers with the possibility of upgrading .

[pumpkin]

You are correct,
The 30 day clock starts from the last day of service.

I modified my post above to hopefully clarify this.

Your repat ticket is the same as an ALT... It is confirmed... Business for cpts and economy for first officers with the possibility of upgrading .

Thanks , makes sense. So when you resign do you specify your last day of service or your last day available to operate? (sorry for the semantics but need to stretch as close to the 30 day mark as flying out of DXB and then transiting back through on day 28 or 29(enroute to home) and worried if I am banking on telling them my last day of flying is day X and they just happen (unlikely these days) to not book me right up to day X, that the LDS will be brought forward my 30 day mark will be earlier than when I transit through.

Sorry for the questions-just want to be able to use my repat tickets. Cheers!

[Desdihold]

You tell them what your last day of service will be in your resignation letter.

You should be ok but I understand that you want to be extra careful.

[pumpkin]

You tell them what your last day of service will be in your resignation letter.

You should be ok but I understand that you want to be extra careful.

Yeah that is what I thought. Thanks again.

[RK Blue sky]

Good luck Pumpkin. Hopefully there will be loads more pilots following you out of this dump.

[givemewings]

Don't worry, the EoS is the most efficient and helpful team you will ever encounter in EK.

Everything will go so smoothly you'll spend your time wondering when something will go wrong... :E

Says a lot really!

[desertcamel]

PAYROLL dept. will be the only one holding you back. They need to calculate every Fils you may owe them, before they calculate your end of service benefits. And only after that, they start on the Visa Cancellation process.(UAE and all US VISA issued under Emirates request).

EOS staff are very helpful in guiding you through the Leaving Process.

You are Lucky if you get your Passport and Provident Fund Cheque exactly at your LDS (last day of Service). Normally, a delay on Visa cancellation takes an extra 2 days. The company provides the pilot 2 nights FREE hotel Accomodation at the Holiday Inn express besides EGHQ after the LDS.

About the Repat Ticket, you can always rebooked it later as you like. but you need to exit the UAE 30 day after your Visa is cancelled.

With your LDS set and you have made up your mind how to claim your PROVIDENT. If by cash, I suggest you visit the NBD branch at the Mezzanine and set a date to Encash your cheque specially with a big amount, if over a million dirhams. They might not have enough CASH in one day, specially if there are 2 pilots encashing at the same time.

[pumpkin]

PAYROLL dept. will be the only one holding you back. They need to calculate every Fils you may owe them, before they calculate your end of service benefits. And only after that, they start on the Visa Cancellation process.(UAE and all US VISA issued under Emirates request).

EOS staff are very helpful in guiding you through the Leaving Process.

You are Lucky if you get your Passport and Provident Fund Cheque exactly at your LDS (last day of Service). Normally, a delay on Visa cancellation takes an extra 2 days. The company provides the pilot 2 nights FREE hotel Accomodation at the Holiday Inn express besides EGHQ after the LDS.

About the Repat Ticket, you can always rebooked it later as you like. but you need to exit the UAE 30 day after your Visa is cancelled.

With your LDS set and you have made up your mind how to claim your PROVIDENT. If by cash, I suggest you visit the NBD branch at the Mezzanine and set a date to Encash your cheque specially with a big amount, if over a million dirhams. They might not have enough CASH in one day, specially if there are 2 pilots encashing at the same time.


ah good to know about the Repat ticket- that is helpful, thanks.

Also re the NBD issue- it is rather terrifying, the prospect of encashing a cheque and wandering over to the money exchange with almost 1.5 million AED. I would assume I would have to also arrange an account ahead of time with Al Rostamani at EGHQ ... I may just ask for the Provident fund to be directly transferred from Offshore to my account back home- just wondering if anyone ran into any hiccups doing that- seems more reassuring to have that transfer receipt from Al Rostamani in my hands.. decisions, decisions..

[BANANASBANANAS]

ah good to know about the Repat ticket- that is helpful, thanks.

Also re the NBD issue- it is rather terrifying, the prospect of encashing a cheque and wandering over to the money exchange with almost 1.5 million AED. I would assume I would have to also arrange an account ahead of time with Al Rostamani at EGHQ ... I may just ask for the Provident fund to be directly transferred from Offshore to my account back home- just wondering if anyone ran into any hiccups doing that- seems more reassuring to have that transfer receipt from Al Rostamani in my hands.. decisions, decisions..

I know a few people who have had the Prov Fund directly transferred and no problems reported.

I will be having my Prov Fund directly transferred too and have opened a US$ account to accept the funds so I can transfer into local currency at the timing of my choice.

[DCS99]

I know a few people who have had the Prov Fund directly transferred and no problems reported.

I will be having my Prov Fund directly transferred too and have opened a US$ account to accept the funds so I can transfer into local currency at the timing of my choice.

Thanks!
I have the same plan but do Emirates NBD convert to USD at the official 3.673 rate?

If they use the rate of 3.76 which seems to be the norm for Credit Card payments that's several 000 USD down the pan.

[BANANASBANANAS]

Thanks!
I have the same plan but do Emirates NBD convert to USD at the official 3.673 rate?

If they use the rate of 3.76 which seems to be the norm for Credit Card payments that's several 000 USD down the pan.

Good question and I don't know the answer.

In my naivety, I thought that as the Prov Fund was denominated in $ and I had arranged a $ account to accept the funds then the $ value of the Prov Fund at closure would be transferred in full, in $, to my offshore $ account without ever passing through a AED account.

Or is that too sensible?

[pumpkin]

Good question and I don't know the answer.

In my naivety, I thought that as the Prov Fund was denominated in $ and I had arranged a $ account to accept the funds then the $ value of the Prov Fund at closure would be transferred in full, in $, to my offshore $ account without ever passing through a AED account.

Or is that too sensible?

That is my assumption too for the direct transfer as the funds are held offshore in USD and would be transferred directly to your USD acct overseas- I can't see any reason why they would need to transit the funds via UAE. Only if you took your final cheque here for the provident fund and deposited in a local bank would this be an issue surely? But ha ha sensibility is not a prevalent theme with this company.

[Desdihold]

The funds are held in USD but you can nominate which currency you want the payout to be at that days exchange rate ( this related to a transfer directly to your bank account)

As as example, if you want to be paid in euros then you will have the equivalent of your USD account transferred in euros.

As always confirm the above, the folks at mondal are helpful in such matters.

[bia botal]

My exit went smoothly enough, I had already set up a usd dollar account with an off shore bank and had my last cheque once cleared and my prov fund sent there, if your going contracting and expect to get paid in usd it’s not a bad idea. Only hitch I had was getting back my bond on the villa, I had given the bank details I wanted it paid into as requested on the portal but it never showed up, I tried to log into my bank account to see if it had been sent there but could no longer log in, emailed EOS but got no response. A few months later I had a friend go through DXB on a layover, gave him my card and low and behold the cash was there!

[pumpkin]

The funds are held in USD but you can nominate which currency you want the payout to be at that days exchange rate ( this related to a transfer directly to your bank account)

As as example, if you want to be paid in euros then you will have the equivalent of your USD account transferred in euros.

As always confirm the above, the folks at mondal are helpful in such matters.

So I wonder what method gives you the better exchange rate- the direct transfer where I am assuming the offshore bank that holds the Provident fund investments decides the exchange rate or getting the money encashed into UAE dhs then transferred at Al Rostamani ?

I wonder if anyone has figured that one out- kinda matters when dealing with big amounts.

[nolimitholdem]

Too many variables to make a blanket answer. It would depend on which receiving bank the money is sent to and what final currency you wish the funds to be in. If your home currency is not one of the major ones, perhaps an exchange house in Dubai may offer a particularly favourable rate, would have to check around.

But for sure the less conversions, the better. Even if your final currency is not USD it's almost certainly better to wire it directly in USD, then convert to whatever you want. Rather than convert USD to AED to currency X.

[Highway1]

Good question and I don't know the answer.

In my naivety, I thought that as the Prov Fund was denominated in $ and I had arranged a $ account to accept the funds then the $ value of the Prov Fund at closure would be transferred in full, in $, to my offshore $ account without ever passing through a AED account.

Or is that too sensible?

No - that is exactly what I did. I have a USD account with HSBC in Jersey and had the Provident Fund transferred to them with no problems, it just took about 5 weeks.

[Joker11]

PAYROLL dept. will be the only one holding you back. They need to calculate every Fils you may owe them, before they calculate your end of service benefits. And only after that, they start on the Visa Cancellation process.(UAE and all US VISA issued under Emirates request).

EOS staff are very helpful in guiding you through the Leaving Process.

You are Lucky if you get your Passport and Provident Fund Cheque exactly at your LDS (last day of Service). Normally, a delay on Visa cancellation takes an extra 2 days. The company provides the pilot 2 nights FREE hotel Accomodation at the Holiday Inn express besides EGHQ after the LDS.

About the Repat Ticket, you can always rebooked it later as you like. but you need to exit the UAE 30 day after your Visa is cancelled.

With your LDS set and you have made up your mind how to claim your PROVIDENT. If by cash, I suggest you visit the NBD branch at the Mezzanine and set a date to Encash your cheque specially with a big amount, if over a million dirhams. They might not have enough CASH in one day, specially if there are 2 pilots encashing at the same time.

Yeah met with a mate of mine yesterday who resigned. Payroll had done him over properly!

[rocketsurgeon]

PAYROLL dept. will be the only one holding you back. They need to calculate every Fils you may owe them, before they calculate your end of service benefits. And only after that, they start on the Visa Cancellation process.(UAE and all US VISA issued under Emirates request).

EOS staff are very helpful in guiding you through the Leaving Process.

You are Lucky if you get your Passport and Provident Fund Cheque exactly at your LDS (last day of Service). Normally, a delay on Visa cancellation takes an extra 2 days. The company provides the pilot 2 nights FREE hotel Accomodation at the Holiday Inn express besides EGHQ after the LDS.

About the Repat Ticket, you can always rebooked it later as you like. but you need to exit the UAE 30 day after your Visa is cancelled.

With your LDS set and you have made up your mind how to claim your PROVIDENT. If by cash, I suggest you visit the NBD branch at the Mezzanine and set a date to Encash your cheque specially with a big amount, if over a million dirhams. They might not have enough CASH in one day, specially if there are 2 pilots encashing at the same time.

The "Free" hotel accom is only paid if in Company accommodation. If you are out - you're on your own...

RS

[pumpkin]

Yeah met with a mate of mine yesterday who resigned. Payroll had done him over properly!

Care to elaborate?

[Joker11]

Care to elaborate?

He resigned before the end if the month so they deducted as much as they could. 10 years sevice and no flight benefits will be honoured etc. But they asked him if he wants to keep his lanyard. (He is ground staff by the way.) He is just happy he is leaving. Bright smile. Tanned. Looking forward to spending time with the family.

[CaptainProp]

Posting here as I’m guessing there are a few 777 rated people here with right to work in the US who might be looking at coming home. Comlux looking for US based 777 VIP captain. Not 100% sure but I’m guesing this is for Crystal Cruises / Aircruises. Good luck.

CP

[pumpkin]

He resigned before the end if the month so they deducted as much as they could. 10 years sevice and no flight benefits will be honoured etc. But they asked him if he wants to keep his lanyard. (He is ground staff by the way.) He is just happy he is leaving. Bright smile. Tanned. Looking forward to spending time with the family.

Sh@t that sucks! Was he within 10 years of his normal retirement age? Because they should have honored it - I didn’t think which part of the mont matters for resignation but rather being within 10 years of NRA(?)

[fatbus]

They are cold hearted ! 10 years is 10 years and they don't care.
Have to have completed 10 years and be within 10 of CRA.
If 10 years not completed then nothing!

[Joker11]

Sh@t that sucks! Was he within 10 years of his normal retirement age? Because they should have honored it - I didn’t think which part of the mont matters for resignation but rather being within 10 years of NRA(?)

He planned his resignation in such a way that he would get his 10 years. But they didn't honour it at all. He even stayed a year longer so that he could get his benefits!

[mmmbop]

Who is really surprised?

A former #1 seniority number (RIP) lost all his CAPT benefits when he decided to work as an SFI after retirement. That's after pretty much being one of the first pilots employed by EK.

Anybody who thinks EK gives a sh1t about anyone is circling Pluto.

[g109]

A question. Is it possible to keep your UAE bank account open after resigning and having left dubai, or do you have to close evething down?

Cheers

[Joker11]

Who is really surprised?

A former #1 seniority number (RIP) lost all his CAPT benefits when he decided to work as an SFI after retirement. That's after pretty much being one of the first pilots employed by EK.

Anybody who thinks EK gives a sh1t about anyone is circling Pluto.

Unbelievable. My previous airline I worked for handled it differently. She worked for sister company which received the same benefits as the main company. She left for a few years and then rejoined the main company. They still calculated the years of non-service as service years and now receives her full benefits.

[desertcamel]

A question. Is it possible to keep your UAE bank account open after resigning and having left dubai, or do you have to close evething down?

Cheers

It is possible to leave the account open.
But the bank requires a minimum maintaining balance. And below the minimum balance, the bank starts charging you a 25 dirham penalty every month. And thats with NBAD ,when I asked them prior to me leaving.

[pumpkin]

On another note- has anyone EVER successfully used their leftover SRCS In the two years post retirement? I have yet to hear of anyone successfully pulling it off. And i wonder about getting on with such low seniority of retirees. Trying to decide if staying the extra 8 months for the tickets is worth it.

[guts]

On another note- has anyone EVER successfully used their leftover SRCS In the two years post retirement? I have yet to hear of anyone successfully pulling it off. And i wonder about getting on with such low seniority of retirees. Trying to decide if staying the extra 8 months for the tickets is worth it. Yep probably worth it, I've used my src's. You are too close to give it up. Drink all the best wine in first makes it worth staying. But not a day longer!

[fatbus]

I ve done the same. Glass out of each!!! Also used the SRCs strategically.

[pumpkin]

Ok good to know there is light at the end of the tunnel :)
Thanks