Easy no GO!

[Goforfun]

easyJet are already managing to **** the Go community off by trying to take away OUR staff travel. Wrong. Petitions are already doing the rounds- the day after completion i'm sure the sickness rates will rise rapidly.

...........God that awful program on ITV- do we really have to bow to the lowest of the low?

[Groundhog Night]

As Bamber Gascoigne would say;

' Thats your starter for ten '.

Set the groundrules early guys and girls, as a colleague said to me recently ' You can't have meaningful dialogue with a crocodile!'

:eek: :eek: :eek:

[Seriph]

I would have thought that 'going sick' because you're not getting your own way was the behaviour of the lowest of the low.

[tailscrape]

Seriph,

I notice you handing out your own particularly obnoxious brand of advice too regularly. Such as on the Pilot salary thread on Wannabees......

I also notice you don't tell us about you on your profile. Perhaps you are too embarrassed to tell us you only have a ??L? Or can only fly a C1???

So, Seriph. Why don't you just leave the adults to their own discussions and back off pal?

The guys at go-fly are being treated with the stick method, and they are defending themselves.

If you have any decent profile, tell us. Until then, just keep your high brow comments to yourself and grow up.

Cos I suspect you are a teenage wind up merchant with little or no experience of the real world. Just my thoughts of course.

[Tinytim]

Having just gone through the effective take-over of Brymon with its half-decent management by BRAL with its egocentric, aggressive and domineering management to create CitiExpress I would like to offer a few words of advice to you Goguys.

1. Get yourselves strongly organised and make sure everyone knows whats going on.

2. Stand up to bullying aggression. A victory or two at an early stage will ensure that you are treated with more respect later on when the substantive issues are discussed. In the case of staff travel...Consider saying NO. Look at your contracts. Do they have the right to remove it? Consider industrial action even at this stage.

3. Try to form a close alliance with your counterparts In Easy. The merger maniacs thrive on the principal of divide and rule. They love to crow that objection is just based upon a lack of willingness to accept a new culture.

4. Aggressively fight to protect what is good about your company...and there is much which is. Otherwise you'll just be swallowed up and squashed which is largely what has happened to us. Result, queues for the exit doors, sickness rates soar and a demotivated hacked off workforce who despises its management.

Good luck! You'll need it.

[kriskross]

But according to our side, everything is staying the same until at the earliest next March...?

[outofsynch]

Hmmm call me a sucker...

But I thought it was all staying the same until March too, and then likely improving... from subload to positive!

Easyjet cant aford the disruption of a significant proportion (30%???) of the cabin crew walking out coz they cant get to work!

:confused: :confused: :confused:

[Capt PPRuNe]

Tailscrape, suggest you edit your post about Seriph before we here at PPRuNe Towers have to.

FYI, resorting to insults and abuse shows a lack of maturity and just encourages the likes of Serph to continue winding you up. At least show that you think Seriphs comments didn't mean a thing to you and if possible, provide a sensible and meaningful counter argument. Resorting to playground insults and presumtions about being a PPL or whatever only show that you have been severely wound up and have no valid counter argument.

Just because you don't like the statement that Seriph made, which was a valid one, doesn't mean you can dictate who is and isn't allowed to make comments on an open forum like this. I and many others are getting fed up with people who are so easily baited that they just end up flaming someone because they don't like being shown up as not having a cohesive response.

If you want to throw insults such as the one you have made above then use the private message facility, not the open forum!

[tailscrape]

Captain PPRUNE,

I have moderated my post. What is there is as far as I am prepared to go. Seriph has made insulting posts in the last 24 hours on two posts.

If his insults are valid comments, then I am gobsmacked. Check out his posting on wannabees in the Salary thread and see if you can't see where I am coming from...........

If you are happy running a playground, with wind up merchants so be it. However, this site would be fantastic if it had not got so big with people of dubious authenticity posting utter nonsense.

I know we are all guilty of it sometimes, but before you dress me down in public why don't you look at the causes of the issues on this site?

If you are so sick of people flaming out, that is because you allow too many people on here with no connections to being a PROFESSIONAL PILOT, and quite a few people on here have no connection to reality at times.

Global domination by PPRUNE is not going to happen Danny, so in my humble opinion you should start charging people for this forum.

The serious members of the flying world would pay, just to be kept away from insulting comments like Seriph's.......remember one of your moderator's who has a lot of good sense works for go-fly and yet you are happy to hear him and his colleagues called the lowest of the low?

If you want to flame someone, why don't you reread Seriph's post and have a think?

I slapped him down. He is ONE person, whereas he sees fit to slate an entire workforce!!!

Think about it. He is the wind up merchant who shows no pedigree on profile, and he is the type that needs to be expunged from this community before people like him allow your business to become an absolute farce.

There you go Danny, my thoughts on a single side of A4.

What is an excellent resource is being wrecked by kids with no idea at all...............

[tailscrape]

Seriph,

In response to Captain PPRUNE's defence of your post, I will put down exactly why your comment is a nonsense.

Scenario:

You are in a quality airline and you get taken over.

You are in an airline with BALPA recognition.

You have a contract of employment with no clauses outlawing industrial action.

Your terms and conditions are breached.

You have a legal ballot and perhaps take industrial action.

Some people may go "sick" , however this is a short term argument.

To have your lifestyle eroded perniciously without consultation is an absolute disgrace, and should be resisted at all costs.

To call people the lowest of the low is really a VERY BOLD statement.

You may not conscience such action, however I doubt you have the choice.

Real sickness and feigned sickness are indistinguishable if for less than 6 (I think) days i.e. no doctor's note needed...... To be able to sort out genuine or feigned illness under six days you would have to be a very devious manager........or perhaps live elsewhere where the law is different.

If you think they are the lowest of the low, I take you would not want to work there?

You talk in previous threads about other people's spelling and abilities and now the lowest of the low.......waxing lyrical on two very emotive subjects...............

I trust you are near the top of an airline doing the hiring and firing then?????

[Wee Weasley Welshman]

Well I've seen no petitions in my crewroom. Far as I can tell its going to be same job, same money, different livery. Big deal.

WWW

[Jet Man]

I agree, all pilot groups should be involved. Why don't you get the two BALPA crew councils to have a chat?

[Stan Woolley]

WWW

I didn't realise GO did a load of night flying, suffered outrageous rosters and were treated with contempt.

Fair enough, ENJOY.:rolleyes:

[paperpusher]

Both Easyjet and Go management, be it Flt Ops, Ground Ops, Pax Svces, Accnts, in fact all areas have been meeting with one another for sometime now trying to find the best way forward, I don't think it will be easy and the feeling on BOTH sides is of unease, but thats to be expected. Generally, we here are STN are moving on, and forward, we continue to do the best we can, and I'm sure that will continue..Low cost yes, Cheap NO the staff are all Platinum top grade people, don't care what anybody else says.
Onwards and Upwards
Rgds PP

[whisperbrick]

Capt PPRUNE you are spot on,
tailscrape, it is vastly condescending to keep referring to posters as kids:some of your replies indicate you were a CTC person, so I guess you are not that old yourself.

Your vastly immmature swipe at seriph's profile gives you away:what does it matter if he flies a 172 or is a ppl:everyone is allowed an opinion in this country mate.

I had thought that pilots were an intelligent bunch but i am constantly amazed on this forum.

[Wee Weasley Welshman]

Flanker - well I just hope then that the takeover involves taking over the no night flights, rock stable rosters and sense of community that we currently enjoy. It will be a shame if the first airline I joined was also the best I ever knew.


WWW

[twistedenginestarter]

So it was you, Seriph, you b******.

I wondered who was flying their C1??? over my house.
:rolleyes:
:rolleyes:
:rolleyes:

[pilotofjet]

I think it is fair to say that morale amongst flight crew at easy is low at the moment. The more people I meet from Go, the more I realise what a happy company it was or hopefully still is. The main concern amongst the easy workforce is that we will drag Go morale down to our level rather than have ours lifted to the Go level.

If there is a genuine push to keep what is good from both companies, it is difficult to imagine what remnants of easy will remain after the integration.

[Capt PPRuNe]

Tailscrape, thanks for moderating your post. Whilst i was not defending Seriph or his comment, your reply to the post did nothing to help your cause. Whilst you may think it is easy managing 50K+ registered users out of which nearly 3,000 actually make posts, every one an individual with a style all of their own, you will understand why some people are more 'acidic' than others in their tone.

Seriph manages to upset a lot of people just as 411A does but so far all I have seen is replies to comments made by other contributors and not direct abuse. There is a difference between abuse and caustic comments which I think everyone on PPRuNe needs to understand. It is what makes these forums so interesting for most people because of the debate and not the venom.

I can guarantee that as soon as I even think about charging for access to PPRuNe you would find 99% of readers going elsewhere for their daily dose of rumour and debate because most people, pilots especially are cheapskates when it comes to the internet. Also, if you have access to your company private forum you will be aware that forums populated only by airline pilots can be very boring indeed.

Also, don't take what someone has in their profile for granted. I can assure you that there are many people on here who do not blow thir own trumpets when posting on PPRuNe. Just because someone does not put anything intheir profile does not mean that they are not qualified to make a comment. Unlike the Guvnor who used multiple ID's and made grandiose claims to be an airline pilot of many types including the L1011 we all knew he had no such experience or even professional licence.

Anyway, back to the debate.

[twistedenginestarter]

Capt P

That's all very polite and conciliatory of you but there is a very strong argument that Seriph was actually 100% correct. In over 26 years of work I've not had one day of sick. Why do people think taking time off fraudulently is an acceptable or honorable way to behave? If you disagree with what the people who tell you what to do are telling you what to do then you can confront them, organise resistance or leave. Stealing from them is difficult to support.

[Stan Woolley]

What's the saying?

I used to be modest but now I'm perfect.

.......or one of my favourites:-

I'd give my left dick to be normal. ?:)

[Blue Bay]

A bit naive WWW. BC has gone. Her personality is irreplacable. We will certainly notice a difference and quite possibly a big one! Fingers crossed though!

[Mr Moustache]

I really do hope that the merger of easy and Go will produce something better than the the situation in which I now find myself. I never realised that morale in a relatively sucessful airline could go so low as it is at present in easyJet. The poorly managed introduction of a precision pairing crew roster system has just shattered what little morale previously existed. What many people are hoping for is that the current EZY rostering team are cast into the outer darkness and replaced by the Go lot. However the fear that predominates is that in the takeover the dominant partner, well, dominates. Orange culture should be a great force for the wellbeing of all but somehow it has got so distorted that to be 'orange' is to now to represent the enemy. I joined EZY with such high expectations that, perhaps, I was riding for a fall. Now I am beginning to feel like my foot is caught in the stirrup and I am being dragged over some pretty rough country.

[khasabman]

I have been with easy for a good few years. In my opinion it is not a bad company(not a particularly people friendly one) but I have known worse.
In its zeal and singleminded crusade for efficiency and profit it OFTEN forgets that it is the people within the organisation which is its most important commodity. There is a lack of thought and finesse in its dealings with the workforce so perhaps our compatriots at GO should think twice before they give up any of their conditions of service.
I do hope that the merger will bring out the best in both cultures but it will not be without tears I'm sure.

[Stan Woolley]

Sadly Khasabman, it's my belief that certain key figures do not believe in, or care about, people at all.

Lets keep fingers crossed that somebody from GO can convince them that just maybe its time to move into the twenty- first century.:rolleyes:

[dik dastardly]

I've heard stories of many crew resignations at Easy lately. Pilots and cabin crew. Things not going so well these days?

[khasabman]

I haven't and I work for eJ !!!

[paperpusher]

If your part of Easy or Go then the latest edition of Changing Times might help, it outlines some of the things Easy do that will be kept and some of the things that Go do that will be kept, and if it continues this way it bodes well. BC may have left the building but the people here continue with the same spirit, long may it continue. A very strong point IMHO is we have daily, face to face contact with the crews. This has proved to be benificial to both Ops and Crew alike. here's to the future
Rgds PP

[cheer up]

It seams that the only care for crew that exists is that they are an expense to the company, not an asset. Until that management philosophy is changed then you will see more of the situations that occured two days ago with 10% of Captains and First Officers reporting sick at a large base.:(

[dik dastardly]

I wasn't trying anything. Just passing on what I heard.

[Flap 5]

So can someone provide a sensible answer? or are personal jibes all that you can come up with?

[A300Man]

Doesn't EZY actually have one of the best staff loyalty and retention rates compared with other similarly sized European carriers?

The certainly DO say this at their famour recruitment "roadshows". Interesting to see if anyone has any evidence to contradict.

[no sig]

There is indeed an genuine desire to capture the best of both easyJet and Go and, as paperpusher pointed out, the decisions are already being made. The go school of flight scheduling around crew patterns is under close review in easyLand and following Go's summer schedule will be considered for our combined airline.

[khasabman]

C.U News of my death has been exaggerated!
So far as Airbus qualification goes within eJ, at the last count we had almost 100 Airbus bodies. That should do for a starter!!
The other points mentioned re salary negotiations etc are true but will no doubt be sorted in time.

[Stelios]

The truth is that most of us are p****d off with the airline. Nothing that was promised has been delivered and apart from the steady passenger figures (yield?????) we have cr*p rostering, a bloody hard life and not enough time off to spend the hard earnt money either. If I was on the outside today, I would certainly look elsewhere. Somewhere where the pilots are more appreciated for their hard work.

[twinjet]

lots of resignations but mostly on ground. Only know of three pilots

[AMEX]

There was five in June. Two going two Dragon Air, 1 Giving up and 2 going I don't know where.
Also supposed to start a 73 course, two turned up the first two days but declined to show up on the third day (and never to be seen at EZ ever again). One went back (seem to remember)with the RAF the other one to flying heavies.
I hear as well that a few guys ex BD are ready to move back.... Only rumours of course.