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WHBM
21st Mar 2018, 15:26
Boeing division thinks the Malaysian national flag is a "terrorist flag defacing the US one"

Lawsuit after Malaysian flag reported as 'IS symbol' in US - BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43484681)

of all the US companies who deal with Malaysia, Boeing must be the No 1 for export trade there by value. Yet they seem to have no idea of the country. To add insult to injury, this is the flag that Boeing actually paint on the fuselage side of Malaysian's extensive 737 fleet, fuselages which are manufactured by the Boeing Spirit plant in question.

I suspect that Airbus may be getting a phone call from Kuala Lumpur sometime soon.

Jet Jockey A4
21st Mar 2018, 16:38
Boeing division thinks the Malaysian national flag is a "terrorist flag defacing the US one"

Lawsuit after Malaysian flag reported as 'IS symbol' in US - BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43484681)

of all the US companies who deal with Malaysia, Boeing must be the No 1 for export trade there by value. Yet they seem to have no idea of the country. To add insult to injury, this is the flag that Boeing actually paint on the fuselage side of Malaysian's extensive 737 fleet, fuselages which are manufactured by the Boeing Spirit plant in question.

I suspect that Airbus may be getting a phone call from Kuala Lumpur sometime soon.

Unbelievable... How stupid can you be? Sometimes I have to wonder how the Americans can still be world leaders.

Herod
21st Mar 2018, 17:46
IF they actually looked, which I doubt, they would have seen that the Malaysian flag has fourteen bars, representing the 14 states. The flag of the United States has 13, representing (I believe) the original 13 states at the time of the War of Independence. But why bother looking, when you can be both ignorant and bigoted?

Cynical Sid
21st Mar 2018, 17:48
Unbelievable... How stupid can you be? Sometimes I have to wonder how the Americans can still be world leaders.
I would not tar everyone with the same brush. This will probably be traced back to one idiot who is probably not having a very good day right now.

DaveReidUK
21st Mar 2018, 18:16
Boeing division thinks the Malaysian national flag is a "terrorist flag defacing the US one"

Lawsuit after Malaysian flag reported as 'IS symbol' in US - BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43484681)

of all the US companies who deal with Malaysia, Boeing must be the No 1 for export trade there by value. Yet they seem to have no idea of the country. To add insult to injury, this is the flag that Boeing actually paint on the fuselage side of Malaysian's extensive 737 fleet, fuselages which are manufactured by the Boeing Spirit plant in question.

About Us
Spirit Boeing Employees’ Association

A non-profit, member owned organization and our Mission is:
To serve our members by providing them with:
A.) social, recreational and athletic activities
B.) entertainment opportunities
C.) cost saving purchases and services

https://beatoday.com/about-us/

I don't see how Boeing can be held responsible for what its employees' social club gets up to.

But don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.

beamender99
21st Mar 2018, 18:44
Unbelievable... How stupid can you be? Sometimes I have to wonder how the Americans can still be world leaders.

This may account for some of it

There is a myth, found easily online, that only 10% of Americans have passports. While that was true in 1994.......
Is it true only 10% of Americans have passports? - BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42586638)

A well traveled President ??
Everywhere Trump Traveled Before Air Force One
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-03-19/what-michael-flynn-could-tell-the-russia-investigators

tdracer
21st Mar 2018, 19:10
WHBM
Spirit isn't a "Boeing Division" - hasn't been for over a decade after Boeing sold it. Spirit is an independent major supplier to various aerospace companies, including Boeing and Airbus. And Spirit doesn't paint those fuselage components - they are shipped to Renton covered with a puke green protective covering - painting is usually the final step after the assembled aircraft rolls off the line (often, they are not even painted until after the first flight).
But sure, let's slam Americans for being "uninformed" :rolleyes:

WHBM
21st Mar 2018, 19:51
WHBM
Spirit isn't a "Boeing Division" .
I rather doubt it would be called the "Spirit Boeing Employees Association" if there was no relationship with Boeing. Membership comprises those who work for either (which are still very much joined at the hip).

https://beatoday.com/members/

And all the employees in question have had a long tradition of making a good income building Boeing aircraft fuselages for Malaysia.

vapilot2004
21st Mar 2018, 20:50
Unbelievable... How stupid can you be? Sometimes I have to wonder how the Americans can still be world leaders.

It should be noted the event occurred in that bastion (NOT) of racial equity and religious acceptance and tolerance. Kansas, while some conservatives may say otherwise, is far from being representative of America. While the population is no doubt full of good, solid, hard-working people, there are racist and bigoted elements. Here's just one example of how conservatism has gone bad in flyover country:

In 2012, the governor of Kansas decided to experiment with 'his' state. He cut the top tax rate for wealthy individuals and over 300,000 businesses. His goal was to prove the conservative "trickle down" model, among other out of date tropes. This ended in disaster, with a loss of job growth and state revenue deficits mounted in the billions of dollars. State funded programs for schools and the population had to be drastically reduced - basically a redistribution of wealth - back to the wealthy.

When the state courts ruled many of Gov. Brownback's (R) changes were against the constitution, including the draconian cuts to the public education system, police and fire services, the governor and his cronies went AFTER the judges - I kid you not and literally gutted the state's judicial system through legislation and funding cuts - and they got away with it.

Since that time, the GOP controlled state legislatures finally recognized their mistake, and repealed or adjusted several of the tax cuts, in an attempt to slow the fiscal hemorrhaging. The governor has the 2nd lowest approval rating of the 50 state's governors, behind the ever-bombastic Gov. Christie (R) of New Jersey.

Kansas reminds me of the old joke:

"Hello again from the flight deck, this is the captain. We are starting our descent into Birmingham Alabama, where the local temperature is a balmy 74 degrees and the local time is 1962."

Jet Jockey A4
21st Mar 2018, 22:03
I would not tar everyone with the same brush. This will probably be traced back to one idiot who is probably not having a very good day right now.

Maybe but... As per the article...

It took some time for the FBI to close their investigation, really how long can it take the FBI to figure it was the Malaysian flag?

Then I guess the "Employee Association" wasn't happy with the FBI's conclusion and hired a private investigator...

We are not talking one person here anymore but the Employee Association!


"The FBI closed its investigation the following month, but the law suit alleges that the employee association then hired a private investigator to look into the incident, and ended Mr Zanial's rental privileges without informing him."

galaxy flyer
21st Mar 2018, 22:07
vapilot2004,

We get it—you, like most Democrats, hate the middle of the country.

GF

A Squared
21st Mar 2018, 22:17
I would not tar everyone with the same brush. This will probably be traced back to one idiot who is probably not having a very good day right now.

If it was just "One idiot" it would never have gone much further than that one idiot. If the article is to be believed, the Malaysian employee had his privileges to use the employee association facility suspended ... for what, exactly?

Jet Jockey A4
21st Mar 2018, 22:21
vapilot2004,

We get it—you, like most Democrats, hate the middle of the country.

GF

GF... Why do you Americans always have to turn a subject into the Democrats/liberals versus Republicans/conservatives thing?

Frankly if you cannot admit there is a problem here in what happened with this person and the association then your country is really in trouble.

But then perhaps you deserve that idiot at the top of your government.

A Squared
21st Mar 2018, 22:26
GF... Why do you Americans always have to turn a subject into the Democrats/liberals versus Republicans/conservatives thing?

Probably for very similar reasons that so many here are unable to resist turning a subject into a UK/USA thing. While I don't dispute your observation, it looks like different examples of the same thing to me.

vapilot2004
21st Mar 2018, 22:51
vapilot2004,

We get it—you, like most Democrats, hate the middle of the country.

GF

Firstly, I am not a registered Democrat, but have both Liberal and Conservative beliefs. That's the GOP narrative, but in fact, if you read my post, you will discover my steadfast belief that most Americans have way more in common with each other, than they do with Washington politicians, typically millionaires with agendas that don't include consideration for Joe Pork Chop in Topeka, Kansas any more than they do for Betty Soy Latte in Seattle, Washington.

Our current political system is far from the uniting entity it claims to be - in the age of your party's Trump, it has become even more divisive. We are stronger united than divided. That much we know for sure. We can get a lot more done working together rather than carping from the sidelines. Part of that progression includes moving beyond our (sometimes) shameful past, but that must include an honest look at our shared history, good and bad, first.

Frankly if you cannot admit there is a problem here in what happened with this person and the association then your country is really in trouble.


Despite the typical narrative coming from overseas, America is not a homogeneous block of people. That was my purpose in posting. We range from somewhere to the right of the Kaiser to well left of Lenin in our political views.

But then perhaps you deserve that idiot at the top of your government.


Indeed. At least half the country, with part of the other half to be blamed for failing to try harder and actually pay attention and vote!

galaxy flyer
21st Mar 2018, 23:02
Jet Jockey A4,

It’s a private organization, they can do what they want, as far I’m concerned. It is it short-sighted, rude or stupid? Yes, but it’s their property.

Off to the discuss in JB.

GF

A Squared
21st Mar 2018, 23:16
Jet Jockey A4,
Itís a private organization, they can do what they want, as far Iím concerned. It is it short-sighted, rude or stupid? Yes, but itís their property.


You're correct that it is not "owned" by either company, but I'm skeptical that the employee association for the employees of 2 publicly held corporations, for whcih dues are withheld from employees paychecks at those respective companies would be considered by the courts to be "private" in the same way that (for example) a motorcycle club with no affiliation of any kind with any company is "private".

CONSO
21st Mar 2018, 23:20
If it was just "One idiot" it would never have gone much further than that one idiot. If the article is to be believed, the Malaysian employee had his privileges to use the employee association facility suspended ... for what, exactly?


The SBEA is just like a typical ' homeowners ' association--sooner or later a few authoritarian idiots rise to the top and starts imposing stupid policies and decisions - which eventually go to court- and which courts absolutely HATE. This is because of the wide ( enough to fly a 747 line abreast fleet thru ) latitude in the local county or state laws. While many ( most of the members ) are well meaning, the rise to power and ' by MY book' persons who have never in their working life ever had such authority is a virtual hallmark of many such organizations.

In the wunnerful socialist republic of Washington state- which luckily had a long defunct homeowners association, a neighbor was reported for flying a confederate flag - upsetting the local snowflakes. Problem was it was NOT a confederate flag - but a norwegian flag in honor of a norwegian olympic win
Norwegian Flag Mistaken for Confederate Flag in Seattle | Time (http://time.com/5171239/woman-assumes-norwegian-flag-is-confederate/)
"
Woman Assumes Olympics Fan Is Flying a Confederate Flag. It Was Norwegian.

cant make this up

Apparently Kansas has its share of snowflakes at least one who has like pond scum floated to the top.

Zip to do with Boeing as a company !:mad:

tdracer
22nd Mar 2018, 01:00
I rather doubt it would be called the "Spirit Boeing Employees Association" if there was no relationship with Boeing. Membership comprises those who work for either (which are still very much joined at the hip).

https://beatoday.com/members/

And all the employees in question have had a long tradition of making a good income building Boeing aircraft fuselages for Malaysia.

From your own link:
Who Can Be A SBEA Member?

Anyone who works or has retired at Spirit Aerosystems or Boeing can be a member of the SBEA.
In other words, some members of SBEA may have worked for Boeing over a decade ago.
From the Spirit website:
History - Spirit AeroSystems (http://www.spiritaero.com/about-spirit/history/)
In 2005, Boeing sold its Wichita Division and Oklahoma operations. The new company, Spirit AeroSystems, began the transformation from a single-source supplier into an independent global supplier with multiple customers and platforms.

The following year, Spirit AeroSystems acquired the Aerostructures business unit from BAE Systems, including its facilities in Prestwick, U.K. This operation is now known as Spirit AeroSystems (Europe) Limited. Spirit Europe is one of the largest airframe suppliers to Airbus and is a key supplier of major wing structures. Spirit Europe also produces wing structures for Boeing programs.
So, in short, Boeing sold all their holdings in Kansas in 2005 and hasn't had an official presence there since. For the last 13 years Spirit has been an independent supplier to a large number of aerospace companies, which happens to include Boeing and Airbus.
Yet you stated (and seem to stand by) -and I quote- "Boeing division thinks the Malaysian national flag is a "terrorist flag defacing the US one"", even though the organization in question was never a part of Boeing, even before they sold Spirit.
I have to had it to you though, it takes some Moxie to criticize others for being uninformed - and then stand by that criticism - after it's been pointed out that the whole basis of your criticism is demonstrably false and 'uninformed'.

galaxy flyer
22nd Mar 2018, 01:17
CONSO,

That’s the People’s Republic of Kent Co. Go east of the mountains, not a Democrat in sight.

GF