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Smeagol
3rd Mar 2018, 19:18
I know it comes from the Daily Wail:

"Thousands of 'unnecessary' road signs face being taken down around Britain after Government report concludes they are 'pointless'"

but it does highlight the number of utterly pointless signs proliferating on our UK roads. Care to share some of those YOU have seen?

I'll start with:

Street lights not in use

If it's daylight it is irrelevant
If it's dark it will be pretty obvious

DType
3rd Mar 2018, 19:27
Sorry, not on a road, but in a field in the Tweed valley a few years ago:-

"It is an offence to shoot at this sign"

which text filled the sign, i.e. the sign served no other purpose.

I'm still trying to figure it out!

Donkey497
3rd Mar 2018, 19:36
How about "No Road Markings" either end of a 20 foot section of re-laid carriageway on an A-class road.

I mean........ If you can't join the dots in these circumstances, should you be behind the wheel?

DON T
3rd Mar 2018, 19:41
Now I know that the signs in Wales are in Welsh and English but when you have chevrons on a bend, do we really need two rows of chevrons. Which one is English and which one is Welsh?

ORAC
3rd Mar 2018, 19:41
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/14/article-2048696-013D7E6900001005-640_634x439.jpg

http://www.stilwell-llp.co.uk/img_jpg/StreetClutter.jpg

Smeagol
3rd Mar 2018, 19:45
Orac

Overkill rather than pointless, but a certain amount of photoshopping I suspect. Unless you know differently......

mikemmb
3rd Mar 2018, 20:00
(Speed) .... "Camera Not In Use"

Kiltrash
3rd Mar 2018, 20:32
Regularly seen on British Motorways

Sign not in use ..... why not leave it blank?

J15 35minutes ..... Do they want you come off the Motorway and f$$k up the local roads?

Tired? take a break ...... always just before services where you can buy a over priced snack and only park for 2 hours?

Speed Limit 60 ......when you are actually at a standstill

Donkey497
3rd Mar 2018, 20:57
On a similar note when heading south on the M90 just north of Kinross a couple of weeks ago

Caution M74(S)
5 min delay
south of A71.


What's the point of this notice when it takes three separate motorways from where the message is displayed even to get to the M74 and over an hour / around 65 miles distance to get to whatever was causing the hold up? FWIW - It was not displayed any closer to the incident whatever it might have been.

Fair enough if the road is completely shut, but do I really care about a five minute hold up happening now that's an hour's drive away?

jimtherev
3rd Mar 2018, 21:03
Yup, I've seen on the A38 near Derby: "M5 blocked North of Exeter"
Hmmmm. Must avoid that bit, then.

hiflymk3
3rd Mar 2018, 21:09
Driving towards the Blackwall Tunnel in a luton I commented to my passenger that there's too much signage here. BANG I hit the strips that hang from a gantry warning of the height restriction. Took a chunk out of the fibreglass roof. :mad::ugh:

ORAC
3rd Mar 2018, 21:12
Driving towards the Blackwall Tunnel in a luton I commented to my passenger that there's too much signage here. BANG I hit the strips that hang from a gantry warning of the height restriction. The strips are set at the same height as the roof of the tunnel.

Hitting the sign damages your roof and chips the sign. Hitting the tunnel roof closes the road and can do millions of pounds worth of damage.....

hiflymk3
3rd Mar 2018, 21:15
The strips are set at the same height as the roof of the tunnel.

Hitting the sign damages your roof and chips the sign. Hitting the tunnel roof closes the road and can do millions of pounds worth of damage.....
I know, I sometime learn the hard way. :{

Sallyann1234
3rd Mar 2018, 22:25
Illuminated signs on A1, M1, M11 etc heading towards M25.

"Delays clockwise on M25 Jxx to Jyy"

I want to go round the M25 to Gatwick.
Is that on my route? The signs are useless unless you know all the junction numbers by heart.

b1lanc
3rd Mar 2018, 23:32
This sign has depth!
4336

b1lanc
3rd Mar 2018, 23:45
So does this one.
4337

Krystal n chips
4th Mar 2018, 04:13
Regularly seen on British Motorways

Sign not in use ..... why not leave it blank?

J15 35minutes ..... Do they want you come off the Motorway and f$$k up the local roads?

Tired? take a break ...... always just before services where you can buy a over priced snack and only park for 2 hours?

Speed Limit 60 ......when you are actually at a standstill

To add to which.

Permanently displayed coming North on the M6

"M6 Toll Clear "...presumably to entice you to part with your money.

"Fog" ....in either perfect viz or..... when stating the proverbial obvious

As seen on the M5 about 3 years ago.

"M5 closed between Jnc3 and Jnc2.....this sign helpfully located between both Junctions.... with traffic flowing freely

Hokulea
4th Mar 2018, 04:18
One from near me:

http://www.hawaiihighways.com/kalapana-062890-embedded-slsign-large.jpg

Chuck Glider
4th Mar 2018, 05:49
New road layout ahead
The locals know this because they have had 6 months disruption whilst it was being built and most strangers probably didn't know what it was like before, so what's the point?

It may have stopped now but there was a spell of putting up 3 countdown signs to the speed limit signs approaching villages. Just expensive clutter.

We also have huge illuminated 'information' signs which most of the time have nothing to impart, so some idiot has decreed, or allowed, that they carry stupid, meaningless messages.
"Drive on the left" in three languages!
"Don't take drugs and drive" suggesting it's OK to take them if you're not going to drive.
"Check road conditions before your journey" and gives a web address, this to a driver in a vehicle already en-route!

Flypro
4th Mar 2018, 05:52
BABY ONBOARD.


So ?

Hokulea
4th Mar 2018, 05:59
My understanding is that the baby onboard sign is meant to inform emergency services that there is a baby in the car in the event of a crash, not to inform the general public about the driver's children.

Flypro
4th Mar 2018, 06:19
If the baby is legally restrained in a proper seat the sign is pointless.

I much prefer Grumpy Old Man Onboard:O

Hokulea
4th Mar 2018, 06:33
Interesting. I did some looking up. My thought that the sign was meant to inform the emergency services was historically incorrect. On the other hand, it is used by those services in case there may be a baby on board in the event of a bad crash.

Ambulance Today (http://www.ambulancetoday.co.uk/news-item/baby-on-board-sticker-urban-myth-turns-out-to-be-true/)

DaveReidUK
4th Mar 2018, 07:29
Interesting. I did some looking up. My thought that the sign was meant to inform the emergency services was historically incorrect. On the other hand, it is used by those services in case there may be a baby on board in the event of a bad crash.

That sounds like nonsense.

It implies that if there is no baby sticker then the emergency services will do a less-than-thorough search for all the occupants of an accident vehicle.

blue up
4th Mar 2018, 07:32
Just up the road from me...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/The_way_ahead_Llantwit_Major.jpg/800px-The_way_ahead_Llantwit_Major.jpg

Saintsman
4th Mar 2018, 07:33
I do get annoyed by the motorway signs that proclaim some event ahead and tell you to reduce speed. These go on for several miles until you come to a new sign that tells you that the road is clear, which it had been all the time.

It is hardly surprising therefore that people ignore them, defeating the whole point of the warnings.

treadigraph
4th Mar 2018, 07:34
Illuminated signs on A1, M1, M11 etc heading towards M25.

"Delays clockwise on M25 Jxx to Jyy"

I want to go round the M25 to Gatwick.
Is that on my route? The signs are useless unless you know all the junction numbers by heart.

Agree, I can't even remember the junction number for my local one (6 or 7). Bit like using ICAO codes instead of airport names.

Flypro
4th Mar 2018, 07:38
Another pointless sign on a car is that silly Jesus fish thing.

Hat...Coat...

anchorhold
4th Mar 2018, 07:40
I think the baby on board is down to a peception that people will drive more safely, or perhaps the parents feel they have an elevated status.

I did once see 'gametes on board'!

Pontius Navigator
4th Mar 2018, 07:46
Motorway:

Junction 16, 22 miles 19 minutes.

Totally meaningless. I would guess 90% of the population couldn't do the time-distance-speed calculation, and 100% of truck drivers can only think I Wish.

I was going to say 18 minutes but too easy :)

Pontius Navigator
4th Mar 2018, 07:49
I think the baby on board is down to a peception that people will drive more safely,
Yeah right, on the daily commute car when Tarquine is actually being ferried to school in a tank.

Pontius Navigator
4th Mar 2018, 07:52
Near us, A1 South Closed, follow diversion.

No it isn't and there is no diversion sign.

Hokulea
4th Mar 2018, 08:00
That sounds like nonsense.

It implies that if there is no baby sticker then the emergency services will do a less-than-thorough search for all the occupants of an accident vehicle.Well, from Snopes:

https://www.snopes.com/horrors/parental/babysign.asp

I agree but I'm not saying the emergency services won't do a thorough search, I'm simply talking about the history of the sign. I thought it was to help the emergency services and it seems that wasn't the case.

ExSp33db1rd
4th Mar 2018, 08:10
Reporting the Persons On Board, as required, to ATC one day, my Captain told me to add one to the total. You might be trapped somewhere, and they'll think that they have missed one, and go on looking. Was his reason.

VP959
4th Mar 2018, 08:23
Another pointless sign on a car is that silly Jesus fish thing.

Hat...Coat...

Like this one:

https://cdn.trendhunterstatic.com/phpthumbnails/31/31552/31552_6_800.jpeg

Ogre
4th Mar 2018, 08:37
That sounds like nonsense.

It implies that if there is no baby sticker then the emergency services will do a less-than-thorough search for all the occupants of an accident vehicle.

If that was the case then they should take it off the window when the baby isn't on board, to save am emergency service operative from risking their live looking for said baby.

And while you're at it take the L plates off when the learner is not at the wheel.....

DaveReidUK
4th Mar 2018, 08:46
And while you're at it take the L plates off when the learner is not at the wheel.....

Now that one IS annoying.

There's nothing worse than foregoing the opportunity to cut somebody up, because you think they are still learning to drive, and then realising that they'd have done the same to you given the chance. :O

andytug
4th Mar 2018, 08:50
Another pointless sign on a car is that silly Jesus fish thing.

Hat...Coat...

No, it's to tell you that the car will proceed at 37mph everywhere, no matter what the limit is!

Blues&twos
4th Mar 2018, 08:56
Some of these signs are useful.
"New road layout ahead" - good if you infrequntly use a local junction, especially approaching in the dark.

Jct 12 10 miles 45 mins - if you are a regular commuter andknow it normally takes 10 mins, you can get off earlier and avoid adding to the queue. If you know that 60mph is a mile a minute, you know there is a problem. If you don't know either of these things it is less helpful.

Krystal n chips
4th Mar 2018, 09:00
No, it's to tell you that the car will proceed at 37mph everywhere, no matter what the limit is!

A Panama hat on display generally alerts you to the same driving principle....

FullOppositeRudder
4th Mar 2018, 09:08
"RAILWAY CROSSING NOT IN USE"

A relatively recent development, but I see these everywhere in our part of South Oz. In most instances the lines were scrapped when the trains stopped running thirty years ago! In some places where there was a railway crossing, digging up the rails and supporting infrastructure would have meant reforming the entire roadway at that point, so they simply left them there.

Hence the sign apparently.

Most re-assuring, and very thoughtful of them..... :rolleyes:

FOR

Pontius Navigator
4th Mar 2018, 09:24
Jct 12 10 miles 45 mins - if you are a regular commuter andknow it normally takes 10 mins, you can get off earlier and avoid adding to the queue. If you know that 60mph is a mile a minute, you know there is a problem. If you don't know either of these things it is less helpful.That am true and clearly at a speed of less than 15 mph so applies to all. Telling you the time when the speed required is between 60-70 clearly applies to fewer vehicles.

Junction 15, 45 minutes, 15 mph might be more informative.

Where the speed is in the 60-70 range I think better no display as there will always be that German car owner who sees it as a target to beat.

Ken Borough
4th Mar 2018, 09:27
One frequently seen sign around Sydney is one that advises 'Police targeting seat belt use'. How counter-productive is that? I didn’t think the coppers were so stupid.

Allan Lupton
4th Mar 2018, 09:49
How about this one then, Mateys?

Fareastdriver
4th Mar 2018, 09:53
"RAILWAY CROSSING NOT IN USE"

Does that mean the railway is dug up or you cannot cross the railway.

Pontius Navigator
4th Mar 2018, 09:54
How about this one then, Mateys?
You need another sign pointing to the first aid station.

Bit like Wet Paint. When was it wet? When will it dry? You can guarantee some bloke will touch it (women aren't that stupid)

under_exposed
4th Mar 2018, 09:58
I quite like http://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Darwin_fish.png
A few colleagues say the baby on board sign is a warning to other drivers of potentially erratic driving.

KelvinD
4th Mar 2018, 10:12
Motorway signs some distance from the scene do have their benefits, if one is prepared to use the info provided. On Monday this week, I left my brother's house on the Wirral at 04:30, heading south. I gave up the standard motorway route some time ago and have been using the M53, A483 to Wrexham, A5 to the M54, joining the M6 just north of B'Ham, M5 to M42, to M40 to A34 to Newbury and home to Basingstoke.
On this morning, I thought that, as I was so early setting off, the motorway to B'Ham wouldn't be so bad so reverted to the standard route. Immediately upon joining the M56, there was a sign warning of closures on the M6 at J12 and another south of that. I thought they would be fixed by the time I got that far south so I decided against changing my route. Press on regardless! A serious lapse of judgement. I ended up doing a magical mystery tour through the centre of Stafford and a 4.5 hour journey took 9.5 hours! If only I had taken proper notice of the warning signs. Between the M6 & the A34, there were 4accidents, involving something like 2 or 3 fatalities, which put my moans into context pretty quickly.

dixi188
4th Mar 2018, 10:33
On the A31 westbound just after you leave the M27 there is a turning to the left for Minstead, with 17 road signs telling you all the restrictions in the New Forest, all for an 8ft wide road. Surely there could be one generic National Park sign to cover everything.
On GE there is also a for sale sign to add to the clutter.

vapilot2004
4th Mar 2018, 10:41
On Southern California roads, this sign seems like a waste of aluminum and paint:















https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSYbQq28T7lhPtNaR52V1BWUJxf6uA9KuVXSe-jidPQsVddlf9EDQ

NutLoose
4th Mar 2018, 10:43
Had one near me, road works on going and 40 MPH temp speed limit signs up, end of speed limit sign erected 2 foot in front of national speed limit applies sign.

Krystal n chips
4th Mar 2018, 10:46
Press on regardless! A serious lapse of judgement. I ended up doing a magical mystery tour through the centre



Kelvin D

Don't worry, you are far, far from alone in trying to navigate through Stafford. The A518 coming from the East is especially "interesting" thanks to lane signs that put you in the wrong lane opposite ASDA and going the other way is equally "fun". The A34 is just a guessing game if you don't know the cunning plan devised by the planners to ensure you see the delights for some considerable time.

How did you end up in Stafford though ?

NutLoose
4th Mar 2018, 10:49
https://www.traveltalkmag.com.au/cms-content/articles/scaled-body_wet_when_raining.jpg

https://boiseguardian.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/old/images/Unsafe%20Rd.jpg

NutLoose
4th Mar 2018, 10:51
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_gKQKwLZ8XUs/TAfHyoFXM7I/AAAAAAAAC5A/9tjHzyhMhro/s800/Funny-Signs-Fine-57.jpg

NutLoose
4th Mar 2018, 10:54
http://cdn1-www.craveonline.com/assets/mandatory/legacy/2015/05/man_file_1058822_signs1.PNG

Hokulea
4th Mar 2018, 11:04
No need for winter tyres.

http://www.hawaiihighways.com/lava-surrounding-CCR-noparkingsign-40103-large.jpg

KelvinD
4th Mar 2018, 11:19
K&C: The diversion through Stafford was due to the M6 closures that morning. Sadly, although the M6 had been closed for a couple of hours, there were no diversion signs through Stafford so I just followed the big wagons!

SMT Member
4th Mar 2018, 11:41
Let's face it, the English love signs and think they're the end all and be all to every issue which may occur.

I've had the distinct displeasure of working for a UK owned company, in a safety capacity, and every time we had a an incident they'd ask if the 'danger' had been signposted. Well, no, in this neck of the woods we tend to believe people are born with a brain. Therefore, putting up a sign 'water is hot' on a water boiler is nothing short of inane.

For anyone visiting the British isles, the welcome one gets in immigration and customs is a forrest of signs, most of them telling you it's an offence to be a complete idiot. It's really no wonder this also translates into traffic signs.

Pontius Navigator
4th Mar 2018, 11:58
In sequence, national speed limit, slow down bends, bends sign, bend chevron boards, 40 limit as the road was like a roller coaster.

Another, unrestricted, 30, School, unrestricted, and 300 yards on 40, then ducks crossing, junction and level crossing. The footpath from the school was in the 60 zone. At one point one of the signs blocked the footpath.

WingNut60
4th Mar 2018, 12:19
That sounds like nonsense.

It implies that if there is no baby sticker then the emergency services will do a less-than-thorough search for all the occupants of an accident vehicle.

Or conversely, since the sticker is permanent (or not easily removable) it implies that there is a baby permanently resident in that particular vehicle.

What are emergency services meant to do if there is a sticker and no baby?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVRcmnVYlLI

paulc
4th Mar 2018, 14:42
SMT member, many of the inane signs come from the litigious nature of other countries when it comes to product liability laws. You only have to see the number of tv adverts for personal injury lawyers to see which way things are going here. If companies have to put warning labels on hot drinks saying that they may be hot or that a packet of airlines peanuts may contain nuts it is because if there were not there somebody would take legal action if they got burnt etc.

RAT 5
4th Mar 2018, 14:45
This is not pointless sign, because it might be true. Seen on the entrance to a lawyer's office.

"Beware, entering here can seriously damage your wealth."

ShyTorque
4th Mar 2018, 15:37
Another pointless sign on a car is that silly Jesus fish thing.

Hat...Coat...

In the 1960s, that used to mean the owner had fitted a "Minnowfish" carburettor.

Minnow Fish Carbs (http://www.historicvws.co.uk/technical/minnow_fish_carb/minnow_fish.htm)

Or at least, I thought it did.

ShyTorque
4th Mar 2018, 15:44
Overhead gantry signs on motorways

"Don't drink and drive".

A bit late by then, I'd have thought.

b1lanc
4th Mar 2018, 15:56
Not really a street sign but...
4348

b1lanc
4th Mar 2018, 15:59
One of the disadvantages of painting signs onto the roadway...
Got an eraser?
4349

Blues&twos
4th Mar 2018, 16:40
I have a domestic smoke detector which has this on a label on the back -
"Warning: alarm is non-operational with battery removed".
It also states "Use only the specified batteries". There's a long list of different brands, the last one being "other batteries".
Brilliant advice.

ShyTorque
4th Mar 2018, 16:58
I use to stay in a certain hotel in the USA. The hair driers in that hotel had a label saying "Do not use hairdrier in shower".

I'd have thought that would have been a bit pointless anyway.

DType
4th Mar 2018, 17:33
Overhead gantry signs on motorways

"If you can't read this, you shouldn't be driving"

Ah, sorry, FType tells me it actually says:-

"Test your eyesight is fit to drive"

ZOOKER
4th Mar 2018, 17:56
Shy Torque,

Or in Scotland,

"Don't Take Drugs And Drive"

Saw it several times.

unclenelli
4th Mar 2018, 17:59
Seen on a bumper sticker in Prestwick:
"Is Ayr Town Centre a racing driver?"

rotornut
4th Mar 2018, 17:59
Deer can read signs according to this lady:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgGSLybhFOc

unclenelli
4th Mar 2018, 18:38
Permanently located "Icy Roads" signs!!!

In July/August in UK!!?!?!?

(Yes, I know, they can get frost North of the Border.....)

Kiltrash
4th Mar 2018, 20:03
Any of the blue plaques on the walls in London informing you that someone vaguely famous lived there..... Who gives a s$$t... they are long dead and anything of value will be long gone

racedo
4th Mar 2018, 22:18
Motorway:

Junction 16, 22 miles 19 minutes.

Totally meaningless. I would guess 90% of the population couldn't do the time-distance-speed calculation, and 100% of truck drivers can only think I Wish.

I was going to say 18 minutes but too easy :)

I like these because you know traffic moving at a decent rate.............. when its Junction 16, 22 Miles, 91 minutes then I know I have issues.

garyscott
4th Mar 2018, 22:31
:ok:

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/49/45/46/494546d55ebfb82bf2c7658a58afbd07--funny-street-signs-funny-road-signs.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/17/0b/e8/170be86e2657f98f7f3509b33bcdba49--funny-road-signs-stupid-signs.jpg

Not road signs, but funny all the same . .
http://www.strangebusiness.com/images/content/3973.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/7c/97/57/7c9757f1b5b2f5fdeda3615cf78a2c8d.jpg

Loose rivets
5th Mar 2018, 00:36
WE NEED MORE SIGNS!!!


Mind you, after seeing this, I wouldn't care if someone ran over the narrator. Supercilious . . . chap.

At 11.20 ish, the police car goes down a small road in Colchester. I used to push my way through that lot in 1958. My boss was on the path one day when a car came towards him with two wheels on the path. It had a finger indicator out and he snapped it off claiming it could have decapitated him.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th0v_CqIprM&sns=fb

Anilv
5th Mar 2018, 00:58
"Hold stick near centre of its length. Moisten pointed end in mouth. Insert in tooth space, blunt end next to gum. Use gentle in-out motion."

Douglas Adams.

llondel
5th Mar 2018, 03:43
How about the Prop. 65 signs found in California. Pretty much every building, and most of the products in use, contain chemicals known to the state to cause cancer.

tdracer
5th Mar 2018, 04:00
How about the Prop. 65 signs found in California. Pretty much every building, and most of the products in use, contain chemicals known to the state to cause cancer.
The most worthless warning ever - and as noted it's on nearly everything.
Perhaps they fixed it now, but California used to ban the sale of off-road vehicles intended for minors that used lead-acid batteries since they contained hazardous amounts of lead.

Pontius Navigator
5th Mar 2018, 06:46
I like these because you know traffic moving at a decent rate.............. when its Junction 16, 22 Miles, 91 minutes then I know I have issues.

Racedo, that true, but the French Trafic Fluide or some such was far more expressive.

Junction 16, 20 miles 88 minutes would indeed tell a better story.

ATNotts
5th Mar 2018, 07:17
On UK motorways, when the matrix signs are set to 40mph you can be pretty sure that is you aren't already stationary, you will be very shortly. Has anyone ever seen a matrix sign set at less than 40mph?

Staying with motorway signage - the word "incident" and a speed limit reduction, one would assume might mean that one or more lanes may be closed; but now, it's because there's a vehicle stationery on the hard shoulder, which, if it is stationery, is exactly where it should be!!

The erroneous use of these signs just encourages drivers to ignore them, which is fine, until one of them is flagging up something serious, and the traffic is barrel-arsing towards it far too fast.

ShyTorque
5th Mar 2018, 07:53
Staying with motorway signage - the word "incident" and a speed limit reduction, one would assume might mean that one or more lanes may be closed; but now, it's because there's a vehicle stationery on the hard shoulder, which, if it is stationery, is exactly where it should be!!

Probably just a paper exercise.....

uffington sb
5th Mar 2018, 07:56
Loose rivets.

An interesting video. Surprisingly it seems that road users and pedestrians today are far more disciplined than in the 50’s.

Sallyann1234
5th Mar 2018, 08:36
Probably just a paper exercise.....
The vehicle had been written off.

Wyler
5th Mar 2018, 09:08
A&E

Ignored by the average moron with a runny nose.

NutLoose
5th Mar 2018, 09:11
I was looking at one today, it read "light sequences changed", call me old fashioned, but you still go at Green and stop on Red regardless.

gemma10
5th Mar 2018, 12:41
LR Nearly fell asleep waiting for video to start

eal401
5th Mar 2018, 12:57
I think the baby on board is down to a peception that people will drive more safely, or perhaps the parents feel they have an elevated status.


We briefly had "baby on board" signs on our car. When we realised it made the Thomas Hamilton Fan Club drive even more aggressively near us, we stopped.

uffington sb
5th Mar 2018, 13:03
Thomas Hamilton?

RAT 5
5th Mar 2018, 13:36
The motorway signs that tell you the motorway information displays are out of service. I suppose if they were blank, you could assume there is no problem, when in fact.........but it does't change anything. You will still motor on regardless.

cavuman1
5th Mar 2018, 14:07
Where Interstates 75 and 85 combine into ten (10!) lanes in either direction as they course through my hometown of Atlanta, Georgia, the southbound roadway takes a rather abrupt and highly banked left turn through a poorly-lit tunnel. This road feature occurs immediately north of downtown - if one looks up immediately prior to entering a darkened underpass, one drinks in the majestic skyline of the City That's Too Busy to Hate. One might also be sufficiently distracted to be Too Busy to Brake or Steer. (Happens all the time!) :eek:

But wait, there's more! Mounted on the overpass which crosses 75/85 as one enters the aforementioned left jog is a huge radar-activated brightly lit sign that says (are you ready?) TOO FAST FOR CURVE WHEN FLASHING! One need not be a psychologist to guess the net behavioral effect: almost everyone speeds up to activate the sign! Like Pavlov with dogs, bells and food, like Skinner with rats, mazes and cheese, the cretins at the Highway Department have brought the conditioned response thrill of a cheap amusement park to Georgia's hectic highway system. :E

Atlanta's symbol is the Phoenix: a mighty city which arose from the ashes of the Civil War. On a smaller but no less accurate scale, "The Curve" is full of ashes and broken glass and hubcaps and bent frames. Tow and wrecker truck operators love it and call it "Suicide Corner" and "Deadman's Curve". I intended corresponding with the authorities to suggest an automated figure waving checkered flags at the curve's exit, but never got around to it... :8

- Ed :D

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Tankertrashnav
5th Mar 2018, 14:38
My nephew recently tripped over a sign and gashed his leg really badly. He needed a trip to casualty and loads of stitching, and a couple of months off work.

The sign, positioned carefully about a foot off the ground and subsequently obscured by grass, read:

"Please take care - dangerous slope".

He had been passing by that area without mishap for at least 40 years until somebody stuck up a sign telling him to be careful!

DaveReidUK
5th Mar 2018, 16:52
Thomas Hamilton?

Aggressive driver = mass murderer.

Possibly a slight over-reaction.

Gertrude the Wombat
5th Mar 2018, 17:19
I know it comes from the Daily Wail:

"Thousands of 'unnecessary' road signs face being taken down around Britain after Government report concludes they are 'pointless'"

but it does highlight the number of utterly pointless signs proliferating on our UK roads.

Many of them are simply outdated, and haven't been taken down because nobody has voted the budget to do so.

We ran a £10k/year programme to remove redundant road signs for a few years, but I can't see very many councils being able to afford to do that now.

Smeagol
5th Mar 2018, 17:34
Gertrude, you said:

"....but I can't see very many councils being able to afford to do that now"

Well it seems Norfolk have the budget to install NEW pointless signs, I saw a contractor putting up new ones not a mile from me this very morning!

racedo
5th Mar 2018, 18:24
On UK motorways, when the matrix signs are set to 40mph you can be pretty sure that is you aren't already stationary, you will be very shortly. Has anyone ever seen a matrix sign set at less than 40mph?


M25 20mph.......

DType
5th Mar 2018, 18:25
Got a lot of abuse a couple of years ago for driving the wrong way into and along a one way street. Fearing that this geriatric had missed a/some signs, I re-visited the site on foot. Not a single no entry/one way/no left turn sign anywhere. Wrote to the Council, who agreed, and said they'd fix it when they got the budget. I'm still waiting!
But thousands of "20" signs have now been installed everywhere.
Pet hate:- Temporary "Flood" signs in situ 365 days a year, just in case.

Gertrude the Wombat
5th Mar 2018, 19:14
But thousands of "20" signs have now been installed everywhere.
Pain, that - most of the cost of introducing 20mph limits/zones is the lines and signs, and central government insists you put in lots of them. I strongly suspect, however, that the 20 roundel painted on the road directly outside my house was not actually essential but was a piss-take by council officers (20mph in Cambridge was my project).

We didn't, however, put anything much in the budget for renewing the signs, in the hope that by the time they needed renewing 20mph in residential areas would have become the norm and the requirements for quite so many signs would have been dropped.

SWBKCB
11th Mar 2018, 08:51
Pain, that - most of the cost of introducing 20mph limits/zones is the lines and signs, and central government insists you put in lots of them. I strongly suspect, however, that the 20 roundel painted on the road directly outside my house was not actually essential but was a piss-take by council officers (20mph in Cambridge was my project).


Local councilors round me are pushing for a 20 limit - can't see a reason for it and no evidence provided to justify the expense, so suspect it's more "look at me" and the next lot of election leaflets.

If there is a road safety issue it would be down to the amount of on street parking, but can't see them having a go at that issue...

G-CPTN
11th Mar 2018, 09:43
In our village (and the nearby town) a lack of parking is the major topic of dissatisfaction.
This is despite the retail businesses in the nearby town continuing to die - said by many to be due to the lack of parking, yet the greatest outcry is from those who work in the town.

sitigeltfel
11th Mar 2018, 09:50
But thousands of "20" signs have now been installed everywhere.
"30kph zone" markings were painted on the roads in our town. Within weeks traffic had worn them away.

4mastacker
11th Mar 2018, 10:01
............
If there is a road safety issue it would be down to the amount of on street parking, but can't see them having a go at that issue...

Slight drift away from signs.

I would suggest that potholes are the flavour of the month...in this town at least. In our town potholes have potholes..but you're right, lots of hot air from the council but an unwillingness to deal with the problem.

ZOOKER
11th Mar 2018, 10:20
Cheshire has some of the largest and deepest potholes i have ever seen. Driving a Mini with low profile tyres is hard work, and your attention is constantly distracted from watching other traffic etc.

Back to signs, and again, Cheshire has hundreds of signs obscured by by tree branches and thick algae build up.

Gertrude the Wombat
11th Mar 2018, 10:42
If there is a road safety issue it would be down to the amount of on street parking, but can't see them having a go at that issue...
Yes, adding on street parking to increase road safety by slowing down the traffic is indeed a thing, but there are often other reasons why additional on street parking is a bad idea, so there are limited circumstances in which this works.

Pinky the pilot
11th Mar 2018, 10:43
Cheshire has some of the largest and deepest potholes i have ever seen

Port Moresby Papua New Guinea, back in the early 90's had some beauties!!:E:E:mad:

Believe that these days they even swallow whole cars!:eek:

FullOppositeRudder
11th Mar 2018, 11:32
Does that mean the railway is dug up or you cannot cross the railway.

In several instances the railway line is still there, just that there hasn't been a train along it for decades. In point of fact, many of these crossings had STOP signs for road vehicles, and those signs remained long after the trains stopped running. Eventually they were taken away after lengthy community protest.

Some time later the current RAILWAY CROSSING NOT IN USE signs appeared. I guess it saves one looking for a train that doesn't exist.

FOR

DType
11th Mar 2018, 12:10
Many of the new "20" signs installed in our area have been located in the depths of existing hedges/trees/etc. Now we await the instruction to trim our offending flora.

And the sign "Uneven road surface ahead" actually means that there is not any road SURFACE left.

Gertrude the Wombat
11th Mar 2018, 12:26
Many of the new "20" signs installed in our area have been located in the depths of existing hedges/trees/etc. Now we await the instruction to trim our offending flora.
If private plants encroach on public space it's not unexpected that you will be asked to sort them out. The most extreme cases I've had to deal with have been hedges that take up so much of the pavement that there's no room left to get a wheelchair past. Worst case at the end of the day the council will do the work and sue for the cost.

Where the owner of the property is not physically capable of doing the work themselves and not rich enough to pay private contractors, the council may offer a cheaper service. Or perhaps not - many council services which provided free or subsidised gardening help to aged or infirm poor people have had to be cut in recent years. But if you are aged or inform and on appropriate passporting benefits it might be worth asking the council whether there is still a service.

radeng
11th Mar 2018, 15:14
On the B4040 in north Wiltshire going from Cricklade to Malmesbury, in north Wiltshire, entering the village of Leigh, there is yet another 50 mph sign - some 30 or so feet in front of a 40mph sign. The road there is relatively straight.....

Gertrude the Wombat
11th Mar 2018, 15:36
On the B4040 in north Wiltshire going from Cricklade to Malmesbury, in north Wiltshire, entering the village of Leigh, there is yet another 50 mph sign - some 30 or so feet in front of a 40mph sign. The road there is relatively straight.....
That'll be regulations that the 50 limit wouldn't count if that sign was missing, because there would be too long a stretch with no reminders, perhaps coupled with lack of imagination during implementation which might have put the necessary reminder a bit further back.

WingNut60
11th Mar 2018, 16:05
Or perhaps not - many council services which provided free or subsidised gardening help to aged or infirm poor people have had to be cut in recent years. But if you are aged or inform and on appropriate passporting benefits it might be worth asking the council whether there is still a service.

Local councils in Oz frequently use convicted persons on "community work" orders to carry out such work.
I have informed my elderly neighbours to tell 'em to p...ss off. I'll do their gardening for them rather than let that lot through the gate.

Loose rivets
11th Mar 2018, 16:08
From Frinton, heading north, there is Elmtree Avenue. Nice it was. Masses of elms and a nice S bend to frolic on. Then 40 years went by.

Straight-ish 30 road now and a sizeable school for those not old enough to go to big school. Just prior to the school are keep-left bollards and one Pergeot, who for years has been parked just before the bollards making everything swing out onto what is sometimes a jam-packed and always busy road. He's not breaking any law.

Keep heading north and one can suddenly see thousands of acres of tidal marsh. Sunderlands could be seen landing on the distant river in my yoof. Oh, there's a 40 sign just yards BEFORE (yes, I'm shouting) BEFORE, I TELL YOU, the T junction.

We're heading north, other road is E-W. To one's right is the road to Walton on the Naze. Most, in fact almost all of it, is 30. However, there is a 40 sign just before the . . . regular piles of glass, plastic and sometimes metal.

A local forum member used to like me, at cyber level anyway, but she told how she 'had to jump on her brakes because some fool pulled out of Elmtree Avenue.' The BEAST!!!!

No, I protested, you had to JUMP on your brakes because you were going too fast for the conditions at that moment in time and space. I went on to say . . . well lots, about the law and correct speed for the situation and how it trumps speed limits, and any other pompous thing I could think to say. I should point out they they know I have a barmy sense of humour and would assume I was trying to sound like a whisky-soaked magistrate in thorn-proof tweeds. But still she seemed cyber-miffed. No, I hadn't said a word about covering the brakes with the left foot. :}

No accounting for some folk.

Pontius Navigator
11th Mar 2018, 16:49
GTW, the village we have just left has lost lots of footpaths. Leylandii and privet hedges were planted too close to the pavement and allowed to expand.

Complained of two in particular. One trimmed. Then saw the other, Hornbeam hedge cut back the their trunks and cutting dumped on the drive. That owner is a piece of work, don't know if he did it or the council. Made a right mess :)

paulc
11th Mar 2018, 17:43
4mastacker for unwillingness to deal with pothole read lack of money due to well how local govt is financed (or not) by central govt. Much of the money is ringfenced for certain things like education / social services. Any shortfall is made up by council tax charges and other charges (like parking etc)

Gertrude the Wombat
11th Mar 2018, 17:46
Any shortfall is made up by council tax charges and other charges (like parking etc)
No, not council tax, because it's capped and can't be increased by councils as necessary to maintain services, even if people want to pay it.

RAT 5
11th Mar 2018, 19:01
Entering roadworks there is a speed limit sign. You exit the road works and there is a pole with the White circle and Black diagonal = unrestricted. On the same pole is another sign, Red Circle with White background and 50. So why bother with the unrestricted sign if they then impose further restriction?

And when it comes to pointless signs the worst culprits must be the speed limits left there long after the event that required them. Technically you could be done, but the agency responsible for removing them is not the same one that dug up the road. Left & right hand etc.

4mastacker
11th Mar 2018, 19:06
4mastacker for unwillingness to deal with pothole read lack of money due to well how local govt is financed (or not) by central govt. ..................

There probably would be money available if it wasn't wasted on inefficient patching methods and an unwillingness to do proper repairs in the first instance to the potholes.

paulc
11th Mar 2018, 19:11
Gertrude - The council tax cap has been relaxed so an increase of up to 5.99% is now permitted which is considerably more than in previous years.

ExXB
11th Mar 2018, 19:36
... and the number of potholes will increase dramatically this year due to the duration of sub 0 temperatures.

Road surface is damp, temperatures fall below freezing. Moisture freezes and expands. Run a big snow plow and gritters over said road surface. Magic.

DType
11th Mar 2018, 19:37
All notices from the Council requiring us to trim back foliage which is obstructing specific street lamps and/or 20 signs are ignored, apart from returning them with the advice that no street lamps/20 signs/whatever adjoin our property.
GtW, thanks for the suggestion, but I can still make it up the odd ladder/mountain, even if much more slowly than of yore.

old,not bold
11th Mar 2018, 19:41
The signs that make me laugh/weep are the ones on motorways which are provided for the benefit of blind drivers, such as "FOG" or "SPRAY"

I have always believed until reading this thread that signs saying "Junction 19 38 Minutes" or similar were to provide a challenge to drivers and help keep them focussed. I usually manage to achieve the target time to within a minute, if only by slowing down as the Junction gets closer, which is a desirable safety outcome.

Blues&twos
11th Mar 2018, 19:53
RAT 5 "White circle and Black diagonal = unrestricted"

You're probably aware and used the wrong wording, but just in case, White circle and Black diagonal = national speed limit applies. National speed limit in the UK will vary depending on type of road and type of vehicle (but never more than 70mph).
Of course, if you're driving a train White circle and Black diagonal = signal banner repeater at clear.....

Gertrude the Wombat
11th Mar 2018, 20:50
Gertrude - The council tax cap has been relaxed so an increase of up to 5.99% is now permitted which is considerably more than in previous years.
What you may have missed is that the extra is ring fenced for adult social care, so it only applies to councils which actually have any adult social care responsibilities, and can't be used for anything else even in those councils. So no use to districts, for example.

old,not bold
12th Mar 2018, 00:58
Here's a proper pothole.......British ones are pale imitations.

https://i.imgur.com/LFFL8lH.png

gupta
12th Mar 2018, 01:12
There probably would be money available if it wasn't wasted on inefficient patching methods and an unwillingness to do proper repairs in the first instance to the potholes.

Same here - after heavy rain, cue the Council truck to appear, whereby the workers drop cold premix into the still-wet hole & tamp it down :ugh::ugh:

treadigraph
12th Mar 2018, 03:13
The hole dug, filled and re-tarmacked by Thames in the wee hours of Wednesday morning has already reappeared due to the new tarmac breaking up. It was a pretty rough repair so may have been deliberately temporary, but there are bloody great lumps of tar littering the road...

llondel
12th Mar 2018, 04:05
If they've just dug and refilled a hole then the first patch is always temporary because they expect there to be a bit of compaction in the hole. I don't know how long these things should be left before a permanent repair but a year isn't uncommon.

ExSp33db1rd
12th Mar 2018, 07:59
"White circle and Black diagonal = unrestricted"

Probably correct in the 1930's, when the sign was originally posted (?) and the speed was "restricted" to either 30 mph or unrestricted

Our village ( NZ town ) has just instigated a 30 kph (19 mph) limit. Monumental waste of time, when the traffic is busy around school pick up and delivery times, and Christmas Eve before the shops close, even 15 kph is impossible, and when the town isn't busy who cares, and the hoons who disobeyed the previous 50 kph ( 31 mph) limit aren't going to obey the 20 kph anyway.

Pontius Navigator
12th Mar 2018, 08:08
If they've just dug and refilled a hole then the first patch is always temporary because they expect there to be a bit of compaction in the hole. I don't know how long these things should be left before a permanent repair but a year isn't uncommon.
That is a nonsense. It isn't compacted, it just breaks up. My last district had two men and a truck. I would report, say 3, potholes describing the problem as accurately as one can having passed at 30.

Couple of weeks later they would appear and fill in 3 holes, even if there were now 4!

OTOH the people's republic of Grimsby cut out a rectangle, tamped it, filled rolled, and sealed the edges.

Do it well, do it once. Bodge it and do it several times.

I see lots of holes develop on the edge of utility repair. They should get the original contractors to fix it.

RAT 5
12th Mar 2018, 08:48
Potholes & speed bumps: While driving down 'the embassy residence' road in Nairobi one had to negotiate huge potholes and also speed bumps. It took forever. Double whammy. The local joke was "where did they get the tarmac for the speed bumps?" Answer, "where do you think the potholes came from?"

LowNSlow
12th Mar 2018, 18:51
Then there is the favourite of motorway contractors who use a blow lamp to remove temporary road markings once the work is finished and thus prepare the Tarmac for the next frost......

WilliumMate
12th Mar 2018, 19:23
Of course, if you're driving a train White circle and Black diagonal = signal banner repeater at clear.....

The signal the banner repeater relates to is showing a proceed aspect. The new fangled LED jobbies can show a green circle and black diagonal indicating a green aspect as well as the normal white/black arrangement which would indicate a restrictive aspect.

:8

Blues&twos
12th Mar 2018, 19:35
You have out-geeked me WilliumMate!

Mr Optimistic
12th Mar 2018, 19:40
'Please affix stamp here' on envelopes in little dotted box. Like the word 'stamp' wouldn't do it, or even just the box.

From my youth: 'Please mind your head when alighting the bus'. Getting off wasn't authorative enough. 'Mind your head' didn't convey enough prestige one presumed.

Gertrude the Wombat
12th Mar 2018, 19:51
Sign on footpath in rainforest somewhere in Hawaii: "path may be slippery when wet".

old,not bold
12th Mar 2018, 20:22
Another sign, although not pointless....

https://i.imgur.com/QB22TKD.png

A few years ago I was doing a lot of motorway miles, and to keep awake I entertained myself by calling the Highways Agency (or equivalent, whatever it was then) to ask about the successive matrix signs on the central reservation that read 40, or 30 or some other speed, for a few miles, and then "End", while no-one took a blind bit of notice, largely because there was no reason whatsoever to slow down. The explanation was that it was the computer doing it, what did I expect.

Sometimes I would pass a sign saying "End", with no other signs in the preceding 30 miles or so. I asked them what "End" they meant; End of the World? End of Life? Of happiness? End of the Highways Agency? I never got a proper answer, but they were unfailingly polite, to their credit. I once asked where the FOG was having just passed a sign saying that, with clear skies to the horizon, and was informed that it was 40 miles ahead, where did I think it was, Sir?

Pontius Navigator
12th Mar 2018, 20:53
PLEASE don't smoke etc

Why please? It is an ORDER backed up by the force of law though I am not aware of any prosecutions.

30/30 Green Light
12th Mar 2018, 20:59
Port Moresby Papua New Guinea, back in the early 90's had some beauties!!:E:E:mad:

Believe that these days they even swallow whole cars!:eek:

Pinky,No need for speed signs in Mt Hagen PNG. Potholes keep everyone including the PMVs, below 20kph. Even the all conquering 4WDs are frightened of them (2016):eek:

RAT 5
13th Mar 2018, 08:30
I was in a men's lavatory, non UK, and above the urinals was this: Remember that on the continent the urinals have either an individual sensor or a manual flush button, not like the UK's all at once every few minutes construction.

"Please be aware that these urinals do not have an automatic flush system. We thank you for your cooperation." = "Manual Flush"

Pontius Navigator
14th Mar 2018, 08:10
"Please be aware that these urinals do not have an automatic flush system. We thank you for your cooperation." = SO? :}

Or do not drop cigarette butts in the urinal.

DON T
14th Mar 2018, 13:05
Not really a sign but I have just received a copy of BT's 'The Phone Book. Straight through the house to recycling.

dook
14th Mar 2018, 16:42
......

http://i65.tinypic.com/2r4r678.jpg

dook
14th Mar 2018, 16:57
....
http://i67.tinypic.com/im762u.jpg

RAT 5
14th Mar 2018, 17:41
Dook: The winner by a country mile.

Gertrude the Wombat
14th Mar 2018, 18:29
....
http://i67.tinypic.com/im762u.jpg
Looks good to me. One line of parked cars instead of two, so half of the people who used to be are no longer stuck in the queue.

Pontius Navigator
14th Mar 2018, 18:56
Looks good to me. One line of parked cars instead of two, so half of the people who used to be are no longer stuck in the queue.

Yes they are, they just have a different view.

Last year on the A43 we joined a queue (two-lanes) that was increasing in length at 60mph - and we weren't moving. I shudder to think how long it grew.

The holdup was two men an some cones doing some trivial work just before the M4 slip. Now the silly thing was most traffic was probably not going on the M4, just caught in the tail back.

mikemmb
14th Mar 2018, 19:12
Looks good to me. One line of parked cars instead of two, so half of the people who used to be are no longer stuck in the queue.

So the success of the scheme can be backed up with statistics....!

I've just had a brain wave, why don't they close both lanes and eliminate congestion entirely?

Gertrude the Wombat
14th Mar 2018, 20:30
I've just had a brain wave, why don't they close both lanes and eliminate congestion entirely?
Closing roads does sometimes reduce congestion, yes. But I don't know whether it would work in that particular location.

hiflymk3
14th Mar 2018, 20:35
Or do not drop cigarette butts in the urinal.

As we don't piss in your ashtray.

Hydromet
14th Mar 2018, 20:58
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator
.. do not drop cigarette butts in the urinal.

As we don't piss in your ashtray.
..and it makes them soggy and hard to light.

RAT 5
20th Mar 2018, 11:11
4493

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VP959
20th Mar 2018, 11:43
I thought these were a bit of a laugh, must have taken the perpetrators hours to get them looking so real:

https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/DADC/production/_100482065_collage2.jpg

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/8CBC/production/_100482063_narn1.jpg

From this article:Didcot signs point to Narnia, Gotham City and Middle Earth - BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-43459598)

spekesoftly
20th Mar 2018, 12:08
Couple of weeks later they would appear and fill in 3 holes, even if there were now 4!Some years ago, before I retired, we noticed that the approach road to our ATC Control Tower was at long last going to have some of the potholes filled. Some of the potholes, but not all, had been circled with yellow spray paint. Being the very helpful chaps that we were, we managed to scrounge an aerosol can from workshops and sprayed round the potholes that had been missed!

pax britanica
20th Mar 2018, 12:25
The signs that annoy me are the national speed limit signs that are erected at the end of a 30 or 40 section abut only about 50M from traffic lights or dangerous bends . Why not leave the lower limit in place since its not just legal but dangerous to drive faster over a very short section of road.

Another local annoyance is a sign at the end of along straight stretch which is regularly speed checked. This sign says warning new lower speed limits in place. It is at the wrong end of the road .

And my pet peeve-how many traffic lights do us Brits need on a junction or roundabout. To me it seems like it is at least twice the number any other country would use. Near where I live there is large light controlled roundabout with 4 exits . on the related roads there are light controlled junctions withing 100m . Total number of traffic light poles for the roundabout and nearby junctions 97, how on earth much does all that cost when it could be done with less than half the number

Gertrude the Wombat
20th Mar 2018, 12:50
The signs that annoy me are the national speed limit signs that are erected at the end of a 30 or 40 section abut only about 50M from traffic lights or dangerous bends . Why not leave the lower limit in place since its not just legal but dangerous to drive faster over a very short section of road.
'Cos the TRO would cost a grand.

RAT 5
20th Mar 2018, 13:11
In many EU countries & UK; "Speed checks or radar checks in force." but NO reconfirmation of what the speed limit is. Given how many options there are why not tell us what we are limited to.

In the same vain; it's not a pointless sign it is a missing sign. In Netherlands there are motorway speed limits varying from 80,100,110,120,130kph. These are regular no roadworks limits. Some vary with time of day and maybe notified on overhead gantries, e.g. 80kph in rush hour. Some motorways have 120kph 06-19.00 then 130kph outside these hours. The confusing ones are where a 120kph motorway, or even a full-time 130kph, can drop to 100kph in the middle of nowhere for no apparent reason, then 20kms further on revert back to the higher speed.
Yet, when you enter the motorway slip road there is no confirmation of the speed limit. Is it 120kph (the norm) or is it 100/130kph? It can be many km's before you see a sign. Why not put a sign at the end of the slip road so that cars on the motorway, and you entering, have a confirmation every 10km's or so what the limit is. There are so many cameras there, and they love their fines, that it should be incumbent to let you know where the boundaries are; because there are so many and varied.

ExXB
20th Mar 2018, 18:13
Well here speed limits (unless otherwise posted) are 50 in town, 80 outside town and 120 on the motorways. You never see a sign for one of these speeds.

Gertrude the Wombat
20th Mar 2018, 18:36
Well here speed limits (unless otherwise posted) are 50 in town, 80 outside town and 120 on the motorways. You never see a sign for one of these speeds.
What's the indication of the line between "town" and "outside town"? Village name sign? Street lights?

Krystal n chips
22nd Mar 2018, 05:57
Well it's not exactly a sign that you see everyday now is it.....

Badger damaged road sinking, locals say - BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-43479887)

MG23
22nd Mar 2018, 16:00
In Netherlands there are motorway speed limits varying from 80,100,110,120,130kph.

Yes. When I drove there a couple of years ago, I was totally reliant on the GPS to tell me what the speed limit was, because I had no idea. '80km/h except on Wednesdays when it's 120km/h unless it's raining, when it's 70km/h'

racedo
22nd Mar 2018, 23:38
Some years ago, before I retired, we noticed that the approach road to our ATC Control Tower was at long last going to have some of the potholes filled. Some of the potholes, but not all, had been circled with yellow spray paint. Being the very helpful chaps that we were, we managed to scrounge an aerosol can from workshops and sprayed round the potholes that had been missed!

Local Council use Orange spray on the ones that needs filling............... need to find exact colour and will then do every little hole on the road.

EEngr
23rd Mar 2018, 02:09
https://ruinmyweek.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/funniest-photos-of-street-signs-Defacing.jpg

EEngr
23rd Mar 2018, 02:18
http://www.derppicz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/501.jpg

pax britanica
23rd Mar 2018, 06:44
Hi gertrude

Excuse my ignorance but TRO ?? Is that the admin paper work that would have to be done?

PB

paulc
23rd Mar 2018, 07:32
TRO is a Traffic Regulation Order. Issued when a local authority changes speed limit / parking restrictions etc. TTRO are Temporary TRO for a temporary change in say a speed limit ie for road works etc

Pontius Navigator
23rd Mar 2018, 07:51
TRO is a Traffic Regulation Order. Issued when a local authority changes speed limit / parking restrictions etc. TTRO are Temporary TRO for a temporary change in say a speed limit ie for road works etc
At tar and grit road works I have seen Slow signs advising of loose gravel and also 20mph signs that our mandatory.

Often these 20 mph signs are there long after the loose gravel has gone. If you drive religiously at 20 for 2-3 miles (9 minutes instead of 4-5) you will have a long queue of impatient drivers all keen to get stone chips or broken windscreens.

Does anyone know of anyone caught speeding in these zones?

visibility3miles
23rd Mar 2018, 08:33
Posted near a factory:

LARGE PLANT CROSSING

I expected a tree to sidle across the road.

RAT 5
23rd Mar 2018, 11:30
"Queues possible."

I'm driving, approaching suburbia, on a clear open road. I see no queues. IMHO there is always a possibilities of queues. They are either there or they are not. It doesn't inform what time of day is the 'possibility' nor the reason. Useless information.

VP959
23rd Mar 2018, 12:17
Local Council use Orange spray on the ones that needs filling............... need to find exact colour and will then do every little hole on the road.

It will be this stuff, in all probability: https://www.toolstation.com/shop/Painting+%26+Decorating/d150/Spray+Paints/sd2737/Line+Marking+Spray+Paint+750ml/p37961

I've used white, blue and orange when marking out around the plot for our new house, and found that the blue is an exact match for the stuff the water company uses and the orange looks to be an exact match for the road repair markings. I'd not thought of marking all the unmarked potholes - seems like a good plan:)

DType
23rd Mar 2018, 12:59
PN
MANY years ago in France, I slowed for loose chippings/temp speed limit, but the car coming the other way shot through at high speed and chipped my windscreen.
Consolation was that the monitoring gendarme pulled out his gun and took a shot at the culprit. Don't know if/what the bullet hit, but my chip stayed with the car till I sold it in 1965.
Conversely, even more years ago, my father was chasing a Ferrari in his Bentley. The Ferrari woke up the gendarme in a sleepy village, who therefore had his gun out by the time we arrived. He spoke no English, so my father decided that we could speak no French. It worked!

ZOOKER
23rd Mar 2018, 15:01
Krystal,

There is a 'Badger Damaged Road' sign between Tabley and Great Budworth. The road has been closed for the last 6 months.

jez d
23rd Mar 2018, 16:42
The last box of ant poison I bought came with the caution "may contain nuts"

Gertrude the Wombat
23rd Mar 2018, 19:01
Excuse my ignorance but TRO ?? Is that the admin paper work that would have to be done?
Traffic Regulation Order. It costs about a grand, and is the dominant cost of what you might think are tiny little works on the ground, like moving a sign or painting a few yards of lines on the road.

One trick is to collect together a whole bunch of little things and put them through on a single TRO, which still only costs a grand, but this needs some thinking, coordination, etc.

Gertrude the Wombat
23rd Mar 2018, 19:02
He spoke no English, so my father decided that we could speak no French. It worked!
Worked for my father, who has a degree in French, too.

racedo
23rd Mar 2018, 22:18
Posted near a factory:

LARGE PLANT CROSSING

I expected a tree to sidle across the road.

Many many years ago was with a friend who marking out a path for Hashers......... (paper trail for runners) and it was a Sat evening growing dark when we did it, on way back we saw this and in Unison we both said "Oh F**k Triffids".............. still think that everytime I see these signs and smile.

racedo
23rd Mar 2018, 22:24
It will be this stuff, in all probability: https://www.toolstation.com/shop/Painting+%26+Decorating/d150/Spray+Paints/sd2737/Line+Marking+Spray+Paint+750ml/p37961

I've used white, blue and orange when marking out around the plot for our new house, and found that the blue is an exact match for the stuff the water company uses and the orange looks to be an exact match for the road repair markings. I'd not thought of marking all the unmarked potholes - seems like a good plan:)

Fair swap :) as going to get the paint and wait until I see they have sprayed it then put it down everywhere that needs it. :E
Course will wear High Vis when I do it to make it look all official.
Complaints of they have fixed too many Potholes will be funny.

racedo
23rd Mar 2018, 22:39
Traffic Regulation Order. It costs about a grand, and is the dominant cost of what you might think are tiny little works on the ground, like moving a sign or painting a few yards of lines on the road.

One trick is to collect together a whole bunch of little things and put them through on a single TRO, which still only costs a grand, but this needs some thinking, coordination, etc.

Beyond most councils.......

Friends dad in Cornwall wanted some street lights where he lived, local councillors were waste of space as never enough budget........ i.e not a pet project.

He called council and found name of guy responsible (Dave).............. found this guys parents were from same town some 30 miles away as he grew up in, told him he remembered when they were courting including that while his mother was playing hard to get she was totally smitten with his father.

Dave said his mum had told him that story only a year or two before her death, so he arranged to come and visit and spend on a Saturday afternoon with mates dad. Dave brought his wife as she also from same village and he had known parents as well.

Afternoon turned into a late night apparently as the dad had been a keen photographer and had tons of them from Football / Partys events etc where all the parents were in.

Engineer appeared a day later and lights went up a week later.

Councillors could never find who had signed off the works order for the work to be done.

Gertrude the Wombat
23rd Mar 2018, 22:54
... a pet project ...
IME officers generally dislike pet projects (where a councillor wants to do something that's a bit off to one side of all the official policy positions etc, basically just for fun), 'cos they usually take up a lot of senior officer time for something that doesn't contribute to any KPIs.

On the other hand, they know that if they allow a councillor a small, cheap pet project it'll distract him from his other idea, the big expensive one.

So the trick is to come up with two ideas for pet projects, the one you actually want to do and the one you're just using to frighten officers with.

Which all works fine until the day officers respond to the daft idea with "hey, yeah, we could do that, I know where there's a few grand spare in a consultancy budget" ...
Councillors could never find who had signed off the works order for the work to be done.
Again, this is a game, which in a well run council everybody plays knowing perfectly well what is going on, to the general benefit of all. For example, the civic lunch at Reach Fair is generally believed to be very well hidden, by officers, in the budget, so that no councillors have ever been able to find it in order to cut it. Not that they've tried very hard, of course, being about the only remaining opportunity to drink a glass of council warm white wine (dunno what it's like where you live but I've never come across a cold glass of council white wine).

pax britanica
23rd Mar 2018, 22:58
OK I understand the cost of replacing these things is expensive for what it is but what kind of idot puts up a black on white diagonal national limit sign on a 30 mph road 50m from a huge junction with traffic lights
Answer a Council officer

Gertrude the Wombat
23rd Mar 2018, 23:22
OK I understand the cost of replacing these things is expensive for what it is but what kind of idot puts up a black on white diagonal national limit sign on a 30 mph road 50m from a huge junction with traffic lights
Possibly they didn't? Here's a (sadly) possible scenario:

(1) 30mph limit was there first, on a council road.

(2) Traffic lights on big junction came along later, on an HA road.

(3) None of HA's business to change the 30 limit, not their road, more than their job's worth, may not even be legal.

(4) Council might like to move the sign, but (many, many) other things are higher up the priority list, for the available funds of 0p.

ExSp33db1rd
24th Mar 2018, 05:58
white diagonal national limit sign on a 30 mph road 50m from a huge junction with traffic lights

but if the lights are green .... go for it !!

Andrewgr2
24th Mar 2018, 07:11
What's the limit on the other roads at the junction? If national limit applies then sign is clearly needed on joining road leaving the 30 zone.

RAT 5
24th Mar 2018, 13:32
Where I live; dual carriageway in suburbia. It is the main artery in/out of the city and is also a bypass for our town. There are numerous traffic lights very 500m or so. Sleep limit varies 50kph in the city, rises to 70kph for 1000m or so, drops to 50kph for 800m near our ton centre, rises to 70kph again then drops to 50kph again. All in the space of 5km's and via 10 sets of traffic lights.
The time wasted at committee meetings to decide this things?? Just leave the damn thing at 50kph. With the traffic lights the average speed is <50kph anyway. The 70kph is a waste of time and sign posting.

Blues&twos
24th Mar 2018, 15:35
You'll probably find that sign posting for speed limits (where the signs are etc) is a regulatory thing. All of that sort of stuff, which is enforced by law, presumably has to comply with the regulations otherwise it's not legal, so something which looks a bit mad to us may be so because it's a legal requirement.

mikemmb
24th Mar 2018, 16:59
You'll probably find that sign posting for speed limits (where the signs are etc) is a regulatory thing. All of that sort of stuff, which is enforced by law, presumably has to comply with the regulations otherwise it's not legal, so something which looks a bit mad to us may be so because it's a legal requirement.

.........ah of course the law is involved, now it all makes sense!

paulc
24th Mar 2018, 19:43
HA = Highways Agency which is now Highways England (HE)

RAT5 - similar situation here - from leaving the motorway at my usual junction (70mph) i go down to a 50 limit then a 40 then back to 60 then 40 then 30 then 40 then 30 - all in 3 miles - crazy.

RAT 5
24th Mar 2018, 20:24
so something which looks a bit mad to us may be so because it's a legal requirement.

Another example that sometimes the law is an ass. But wait a minute the 'law' and 'legal' requirement; are they absolutely the same thing? Or is it that some numpty has interpreted that inside council boundaries the legal speed limit is X and outside it is Y and within ABCm of urban housing it is Z etc. etc.
If the legal allowance, by such definitions, is that the speed limit could be raised from 50kph - 70kph, albeit for only 800m, and then back to 50kph, does it mean the council HAS to implement that? Could not common sense leave it at 50kph and avoid the road rage?

After all, in my narrow streets where children play, the parents campaigned for a 30kph, even 20kph in some places. It was applied. Now, there is no legal requirement for that, it just seemed like a darned good idea for safety. Given that they are one way streets with parking both sides, 20/30kph is the max any sensible person would go anyway.

So..........

Ethel the Aardvark
25th Mar 2018, 03:04
Did anybody else’s dad also shout out the window “more gay vicars” every time he saw a ‘soft verges’ sign
Not PC now I guess!

dook
25th Mar 2018, 15:06
....

http://i68.tinypic.com/2d13epe.jpg

sitigeltfel
27th Mar 2018, 09:38
Signs erected at the entrances to Toulouse overnight.

https://medias.laprovence.com/JJ7uucwMhPMdFCJ5CGKwf3vO3Kg=/850x575/top/smart/a0f64d25aa3f4f009f1bdaaa889c73d8/1522141978_20180327083941156-0.jpg

ExXB
27th Mar 2018, 16:54
dook, but Photoshop is ...

lomapaseo
28th Mar 2018, 23:09
Here ya go

https://images.taboola.com/taboola/image/fetch/f_jpg%2Cq_auto%2Ch_311%2Cw_207%2Cc_fill%2Cg_faces:auto%2Ce_s harpen/https%3A%2F%2Fprod-pubplus-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com%2F383f80e8-d6db-41ee-855e-9394ba0ff39b.jpg

DType
30th Mar 2018, 12:13
Driving on the M6 yesterday in the Penrith area:-
"A66 closed beyond A6"
Yes, but which way - Eastbound or Westbound?
Can only guess that the dummies who write the Instant Message gantry signs composed one for the A66 from Keswick to Penrith (when the information was correct and meaningful), then just unthinkingly put the same display on the M6 north and south of Penrith.