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rotornut
3rd Mar 2018, 00:15
What is the Einstein visa? And how did Melania Trump get one? - BBC News (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43256318)

West Coast
3rd Mar 2018, 02:37
Why does it bother you so much, did you get denied for one?

parabellum
3rd Mar 2018, 03:01
The government guidance for applicants cites Nobel prizes and international acclaim, but the reality is often more prosaic, said Susan McFadden, a specialist US visa lawyer at the Gudeon and McFadden law firm in London.
"You do not have to be a Nobel prize winner to get the extraordinary ability visa. I've gotten EB-1 visas for people you've never heard of and never will," she said.
"An experienced lawyer knows what the US citizenship and immigration services is looking for, and how to bring out of the client's background things that will be attractive to the agency."
Securing an EB-1 is often about defining a field, Ms McFadden said, in the hope of proving the client is outstanding in that field. Trying to prove your client is an outstanding businessman puts them up against Richard Branson. Proving they are outstanding within alternative asset commercial finance management? Not so tough.
Ms McFadden said she had secured EB-1s for a range of diverse specialties, from coaching a specific football position to scientific ballooning. "The trick was to define a field narrow enough to excel in, she said, but not too narrow that immigration authorities won't take it seriously."

Hokulea
3rd Mar 2018, 04:41
I was given EB-1 visa status while applying for US permanent residency and I'm no Einstein. My guess is most foreign academics that work in the US and applied for a green card got it via EB-1 status. Probably the same in a lot of different fields. I think this is a bit of a non-story.

TowerDog
3rd Mar 2018, 04:55
Never heard of the Einstein visa. Doubt she qualified, sweet as she may have been.
Bet she regrets leaving her donkey village now. :ooh:

vapilot2004
3rd Mar 2018, 05:16
I don't see what the hubbub's all about either. It appears Melania hit at least 2 out of 3 of the required marks on the USCIS list, and even though her husband will go down as the worst president in recent US history, his non-political family members should be hands off to the media.

"Non-Political" - Despite several controversial presidencies of our recent past, First Ladies were more often than not, treated with respect by major news outlets. Of course conservatives did not play by the same rules, and relentlessly attacked Michelle Obama over the years, many of these attacks were mean-spirited, and all were baseless in factual origin.

Hillary, during her stint as First Lady, was, unfortunately, another story. She's what one might call a GOP lightning rod, or perhaps female punching bag would be closer to the truth. She did step fully into the political limelight with her push for health care, and that did open her up to ridicule, whether it was fair or not.

I was given EB-1 visa status while applying for US permanent residency and I'm no Einstein. My guess is most foreign academics that work in the US and applied for a green card got it via EB-1 status. Probably the same in a lot of different fields. I think this is a bit of a non-story.

Congratulations! This is intriguing, Hokulea. What is your area of expertise?

Hokulea
3rd Mar 2018, 05:22
Congratulations! This is intriguing, Hokulea. What is your area of expertise?Oddly enough, not too different to Einstein's! Astronomy/astrophysics.

Pontius Navigator
3rd Mar 2018, 07:28
even though her husband will go down as the worst president in recent US history
Just curious, no implied criticism, but against what measure would Worst be measured?

This side of the pond we see what the media presents, we do not live and breathe US politics. Now from my perspective JC was no great shakes but I met a USAF officer who disagreed. Then GWB is often portrayed as a buffoon, was he?

Are views of sitting or recent Presidents colored by one's political stance?

WestofEMA
3rd Mar 2018, 08:28
Just curious, no implied criticism, but against what measure would Worst be measured?

This side of the pond we see what the media presents, we do not live and breathe US politics. Now from my perspective JC was no great shakes but I met a USAF officer who disagreed. Then GWB is often portrayed as a buffoon, was he?

Are views of sitting or recent Presidents colored by one's political stance?

Slightly off thread, but

We had a US citizen come over to UK around Christmas. They were amazed at the news and stories they heard on mainly reputable news TV stations (BBC and Sky) about Trump. They claimed that stories about Trumps tweets and so called antics affecting the rest of the world were not shown in US.

Hokulea
3rd Mar 2018, 08:50
I think I can explain. Trump's tweets and behaviour are big news in the US, but the US media rarely reports reactions from other countries. When they do, it's from a restricted list. I've lived in the US for over twenty years and what's going on in other countries is rarely reported by the major US news media. Even when you watch the news on TV and it claims to be "international" it's nearly all about the US. It's one thing I miss about watching the news in the UK.

vapilot2004
3rd Mar 2018, 10:15
Oddly enough, not too different to Einstein's! Astronomy/astrophysics.

Very nice, sir! The science of peering, both literally and mathematically into the universe fascinates me.

Just curious, no implied criticism, but against what measure would Worst be measured?

This side of the pond we see what the media presents, we do not live and breathe US politics. Now from my perspective JC was no great shakes but I met a USAF officer who disagreed. Then GWB is often portrayed as a buffoon, was he?

Jimmy was a mediocre, really ineffectual president, but clearly an honorable man. Dubya was a smart and effective governor of Texas, and it wasn't until he moved into the White House that he seemed to lose a few marbles. He had an opportunity to unite the world behind the US post 9-11, but instead we got Mess O'Potamia, based on a lie. Nobody went to jail for that.

It should be noted that his father is an honorable man and actually endorsed Clinton once Trump won the GOP nomination. It's fairly relative too - put Dubya beside Trump, and GWB starts looking pretty good.

Are views of sitting or recent Presidents colored by one's political stance?

Political and presidential historians go to great pains to avoid this. The wide angle lens of history broadens their view. For example, during Lincoln's turn at the wheel, many limited with the myopathy of the present, thought he was trouble for the Union, but time and circumstance have proven him to have been on the right side of history, just like Johnson on Civil Rights. In many eyes, however, LBJ fails us once we start talking about Vietnam.

An objective review of the facts show nearly all presidents made both good and bad choices, but partisans fail to acknowledge the bad choices of their 'guy' as well as any good achieved by 'the other side'.

Pontius Navigator
3rd Mar 2018, 10:58
VaP, thank you.

vapilot2004
3rd Mar 2018, 11:09
You're welcome, PN. Thank you for asking.

Someone else should be along shortly to discredit everything I said. ;)

MG23
3rd Mar 2018, 18:38
Isn't this the visa they were using to import Eastern-European strippers a few years ago?

parabellum
3rd Mar 2018, 21:02
Never heard of the Einstein visa. Doubt she qualified, sweet as she may have been.
Bet she regrets leaving her donkey village now. :ooh:
Well, fluent in about five languages suggests to me that she is a bit more than just 'sweet'.


relentlessly attacked Michelle Obama over the years, many of these attacks were mean-spirited, and all were baseless in factual origin.
Mrs Obama is on record as having said she was ashamed to be American and would not put her hand on her heart during the playing of the National Anthem, albeit long before coming Mrs POTUSA - is that baseless in factual origin too?

WingNut60
3rd Mar 2018, 22:27
Well, fluent in about five languages suggests to me that she is a bit more than just 'sweet'.



"Fluent in about five languages" is actually not such a big deal in many parts of the world where borders are many and language groups tend to have a range of only a few hundred square kilometres.
I would include most parts of Asia, Africa and the Balkans in this statement.

What I might question is fluency vs capability. "Fluent in xx languages" is a common throw-away phrase used to indicate, more accurately, a capability to understand and converse. I'll lump myself together with this group.

Fluency, to me however, suggests formal training and qualification at a reasonably high level. Perhaps Mrs Trump has those qualifications. I suspect not.

NutLoose
3rd Mar 2018, 23:48
The one thing that strikes me out of all the presidents, Trump is the least presidential of them all. Presidents go about doing their business and the press reports on that, with Trump the majority of the press output is about his links to Russia, the revolving door policy in the WhiteHouse and it all comes across as a man that has a severe lack of credibility, is insecure and unstable, and possibly elected illegally, all of which must be effecting his ability to do the job, indeed he seems to spend more time covering his own back rather than coming up with his eccentric policies.

MG23
4th Mar 2018, 00:13
Well, duh. The media hate Trump because he stands for everything they despise. Of course they're going to spend all their time attacking him.

That's precisely why polls show Americans now trust the media even less than they do politicians.

parabellum
4th Mar 2018, 01:38
and possibly elected illegally


I must have missed that, how so?

Lonewolf_50
4th Mar 2018, 01:46
What is the Einstein visa? And how did Melania Trump get one? - BBC News (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43256318)
Can you show me on the picture where the INS agent touched you such that you are filing a complaint?

Lonewolf_50
4th Mar 2018, 01:48
even though her husband will go down as the worst president in recent US history, Heh, GW Bush finally looks "good" or "not so bad" ... and that takes a lot of stretching for anyone to say. :eek:

b1lanc
4th Mar 2018, 02:43
and even though her husband will go down as the worst president in recent US history

Wow, someone who can predict the future after first year in office. I must listen to you more often.....Any additional prognostications?

West Coast
4th Mar 2018, 04:47
and even though her husband will go down as the worst president in recent US history

Recent history huh.

Have to dice up the time line to keep Carter from getting the prize I see.

Lonewolf_50
4th Mar 2018, 21:09
Westy, on President Carter's behalf (not my favorite president) he may not have been particularly good at the president thing, but at least he wasn't, and isn't, a flaming rectal orifice.

West Coast
5th Mar 2018, 05:39
being an asshole just makes you an asshole, being incompetent makes you Jimmy Carter. If you’re to judge Trump a lousy President, don’t base it on your dislike of his character but on the merits of his body of work, there you’d have material to work with. If not being an asshole makes you a good President, Obama was a great one as he’s likable. Truth is Obama was a poor President, but I’d hire him to entertain at a celebrity roast anyway as he’s a funny guy.

747 jock
5th Mar 2018, 09:15
Mrs Obama is on record as having said she was ashamed to be American and would not put her hand on her heart during the playing of the National Anthem, albeit long before coming Mrs POTUSA - is that baseless in factual origin too?
Is this what you are referring to?
https://us-east-1.tchyn.io/snopes-production/uploads/images/politics/graphics/vetday2011.jpg

If so, more fake news I'm afraid.

https://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/photos/veteransday2011.asp

vapilot2004
5th Mar 2018, 10:06
Thank you 747 Jock. :ok:

The "ashamed" accusation is also not the whole truth and based upon a quote taken out of context by none other than right-wing hit man, Bill Kristol.

don’t base it on your dislike of his character

Trump has character? :p

Wow, someone who can predict the future after first year in office.


Your man Trump hits quite a few low marks in several areas of concern, and the fact he's only been president for a year illustrates how particularly damning this is. Depending on your point of view, Hitler had sort of a 'bad' first year too. ;)

I must listen to you more often.....Any additional prognostications?

President Pence.

Highway1
5th Mar 2018, 12:48
Thank you 747 Jock. :ok:

The "ashamed" accusation is also not the whole truth and based upon a quote taken out of context by none other than right-wing hit man, Bill Kristol.




I thought it was taken from where she said she had never been proud to be an American until Obama was nominated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYY73RO_egw