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Just heard that 3 captains have been sacked from GlobeAir, the reason :
restructuration and cost adjustment.... It looks like Fragner has issues with a lot of planes AOG and very little revenues....
May be the Karma will be adjusted and this "company" will be withdrawn from the surface of this planet...
Brizeguy
1st Mar 2018, 20:58
You don't fire Captains because Mx can't keep the jets serviceable. Suspect tech issues are down to spares availability, Textron don't like operators that do their own Mx at a fraction of what they charge at OEM facilities and PWC have lost the plot and charge ridiculous money for parts and service.
Since most of GlobeAir Maintenance is not documented, this should not impact them too much...
Facts are : Airplane AOG
Firing Captains for "restructuration and cost adjustment" ( around 10 in the last 6 months, strangely enough, people with a fair amount of experience, hence higher salary as per GlobeAir salary table) while recruiting captains with less hours..
Another reason given for the "employer dismissal " quote : " I noticed that you are not 100% happy in the company"
Austria employment law gives 6 weeks notice, and nothing else. GlobeAir does not give local contracts even though people are based around Europe (France, Switzerland, Italy, Germany, UK, Spain, Netherlands). One day, **** will hit the fan on this matter. (They are on a couple of court case on the for illegal work practices in France already), and this is just a start, on the light of the recent events.
At the dawn of the dream of Fragner to go to the stock market, this trail of court cases will surely impact the due diligence at some point. It is not time to invest time and money to try to get into this company. The morale of people is very low as one can imagine.
The NPFO resigned ( 2nd one in a year).. May be he did not like the look of the paperwork ?? Or may be he could not take any decisions? (Speculations at that point)
Outlook is grim..Stay Clear
Abbeville
2nd Mar 2018, 10:30
NPFO?
Que?
EatMyShorts!
2nd Mar 2018, 10:36
A real dreamteam!
Brizeguy
2nd Mar 2018, 12:29
Since most of GlobeAir Maintenance is not documented, this should not impact them too much...
Ridiculous statement.
Ridiculous statement.
We have so many proofs of this, that you will not believe it..
FLEXJET
2nd Mar 2018, 23:05
One must realize that the Mustang has been designed for occasional private flights, not intensive charter...
Smartbus
3rd Mar 2018, 11:02
I Heard that 2 CPTs and 1 FO have been fired..the last one selfsponsored the Type Rating with 25K EUR with a 3 years bond, and after less than one year he has been fired..They said "the situation requires an adjustment in capacity and costs".
This can be not true, specially when new CPTs and FOs are self sponsoring the Rating and ready to join the company in March, April 2018.
His dudeness
3rd Mar 2018, 11:48
Rating on the Sim or the aircraft ?
If on Aircraft then that would be about the oldest scheme of all...
No In the Stimulator at FSI FAB. The F/O are paying the type rating at a premium price directly to GlobeAir, with the base check they are invoiced 25K PLUS they are bonded 3 years !!!
And not only that they are still recruiting CPT and FO, but with less hours hence less pay...
This company should stall definitely...
His dudeness
3rd Mar 2018, 15:48
The F/O are paying the type rating at a premium price directly to GlobeAir,
So its exactly what I thought. In earlier days this kind of operators had the F/Os pay on empty legs for "training". Nauseating and contemptible...
Bloody EASA should put a stop to this ****. ASAP. But no they need to regulate how one pours a cup of coffee and similar, highly important stuff.
Skipname
4th Mar 2018, 12:00
I think there should be a thread about the T&C in this company to give people a heads up before they spend the money and time to get to Linz, since they are continuously recruiting.
A while a go I went to the interview with GlobeAir. There were 10 candidates, 5 for the CPT position and 5 for the FO position. After they presented the T&C 3 people walked out, 2 CPT and 1 FO. Three people that I know of including myself rejected the job offer after reading the contract. I have never worked in the corporate sector so I don't know but are this the kind of T&C one is to expect in the corporate aviation?
I don't feel bad for the people that sign that contract because at the interview stage the company tries to sugar coat the T&C but they are honest about it. I just wish I had that information before I spent all the time and money to get there.
His dudeness
4th Mar 2018, 12:34
Makes one wonder why even cpt´s turn up for an interview.
What I said for ages now: the economic pressure is entirely on the crews shoulders with expiring and hard to revalidate type ratings. The idiots at EASA have recently (2-3 years ?) made it even harder to regain a T/R that was expired.
This incompetence in the authorities makes my blood boil ecery time I think about it.
Right Hand Thread
4th Mar 2018, 18:13
Bloody EASA should put a stop to this ****.
There is an even simpler, quicker way. Do not sign such contracts in the first place.
Smartbus
5th Mar 2018, 08:45
How they can fire pilots from one side and recruiting from the other side? I guess all of them had an Austrian contract, was it legal even if they were not Austrian?
People are signing the contract in order to gain experience and build hours..thinking to deal with a different management..
Of course it is not legal, GlobeAir had a lot of fun during the last years, but now, pilots are a scarce ressource to be treated like this. I foresee loads of issues for GAC on the contract side. But people are still coming in.. This is very very very strange...Especially with this gloomy future..
EatMyShorts!
6th Mar 2018, 09:06
There are still lots of beginner-pilots who are looking for their first job (on a jet) and are obviously willing to go for a pact with the devil.
Fieldins
19th Aug 2018, 22:12
HI guys, just got an invitation for the interview, any info about the assessment? Is it true the minimum salary 28700?
thanks!
CL300
20th Aug 2018, 17:49
this is before you paid 600€ for your uniform, not being paid during the type Rating and paid 50% during line training, with 30€ of per diem and virtually no crew meals
Fieldins
23rd Aug 2018, 21:39
this is before you paid 600€ for your uniform, not being paid during the type Rating and paid 50% during line training, with 30€ of per diem and virtually no crew meals
Thanks for the info, type is self sponsored?
Skipname
24th Aug 2018, 07:21
Yes it is. If I remember correctly they were charging 23000€ and on top of that you have to sign a 3 year bond worth 11000€.
I would advise you to not go for it because there are better opportunities out there and a mustang type rating is pretty useless. Plus the low pay as well.
Journey Man
28th Aug 2018, 19:51
https://www.aviationjobsearch.com/job/citation-mustang-flight-crew/10242354
Might be useful for comparison if you’re looking at Mustang positions.