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zed3
8th Feb 2018, 19:14
BBC news (UK) has posted an item about 'how your council tax is spent'. Among all the subjects there is nothing about 1. salaries of council staff. 2. pensions to council staff. Yet another biassed whitewash then? What does the team think?

Gertrude the Wombat
8th Feb 2018, 19:32
Approximately 100% of a council's budget is staff, unless they've outsourced stuff. A report saying "100% staff costs, split between directly employed and outsourced" staff would be pretty accurate for all councils, but hardly very informative.

Rather more helpful, no, to say how much is spent on emptying bins, how much on the social services, etc?

Curious Pax
8th Feb 2018, 19:33
I assume you are referring to this article: Reality Check: How are English councils spending your taxes? (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-42990221)

Given itís a very high level breakdown what did you expect? Itís not a 300 page thesis! The costs you mentioned will be accounted for in those numbers, itís just not broken down to the that degree. A bit like when Easyjet report on their costs per passenger kilometre.

Sorry, I interrupted the gratuitous Beeb bashing (though in this instance it did sound a bit desperate!).

G-CPTN
8th Feb 2018, 20:11
You could say that, once the staff have been paid, they carry out their responsibilities for free.
Of course, there are ancillary costs such as tarmac, salt and vehicle fuel, acquisition and repair.
Our council are about to spend a few millions on renovating their headquarters building.

Mr Optimistic
8th Feb 2018, 20:27
Management numbers will be the last thing to be cut.

Gertrude the Wombat
8th Feb 2018, 20:33
Management numbers will be the last thing to be cut.
In my experience they're the first. (Well, they were when we took over the council, Labour had in one department an entire redundant layer of management with nothing to do.)

You have to be careful though. If junior inexperienced staff have nobody to turn to for help, then guess what? - cock-ups are possible, just like in any non-council organisation.

G-CPTN
8th Feb 2018, 20:35
Another aspect of council management is the elected members - who receive 'expenses' in addition to a 'stipend'.

paulc
8th Feb 2018, 21:00
Local authorities usually publish a detailed report their finances each year which will include staff grades / salaries etc.

Private jet
8th Feb 2018, 21:18
The "Beeb" is a state endorsed extortion racket (aka the tv license) & in return people get "establishment" propaganda. Remember even Thatcher didn't dare touch the BBC... Forget all that impartial, independent nonsense. They know where their bread is buttered, especially when it's coming up to charter renewal time.
With regard to the OP's point, why do you think council tax is going up and up but service is going down and down? The black hole in council pension schemes needs to be filled & they have a guaranteed source of revenue to fill it.

jack11111
8th Feb 2018, 21:47
I enjoy and appreciate the excellent, professional and timely news and features the BBC provide roughly six hours every day. Being in the USA the video side of the BBC is not available to me. If I could subscribe to the video services I would do.

I'm amazed how so many do not recognize the treasure the BBC is to the Commonwealth.

Keep up the great work.

tartare
8th Feb 2018, 22:20
You BBC bashers oughta come down to NZ and see what the commercialised travesty that passes for TVNZ is like.
Or come over here to Australia and spend some time marinating in the whingeing, entitled culture of the ABC... my wife who has worked there and my mates who currently work there say it's like stepping back into the 1970s.
The BBC has many faults, but it is actually very innovative.
And it's own journalists go after BBC management when there's a genuine news story concerning the corporation.
It was highly amusing to watch aggressive questioning of those from `rotten row' by staff from the newsroom, who knew they could be as confrontational as they wanted - because corporation management couldn't touch them - lest they be accused by program editors of editorial interference.
Suggesting there's some kind of conspiracy to pump out `state' propaganda is just naive.
You're bloody lucky to have your BBC - and you should fight like hell to keep it.

Private jet
8th Feb 2018, 22:45
Suggesting there's some kind of conspiracy to pump out `state' propaganda is just naive.
There are none so blind as those who do not wish to see?

You're bloody lucky to have your BBC - and you should fight like hell to keep it.

Fancy paying for it Squire?

Isn't it interesting that most of the people who know how other countries function & should be run seem to live in either Australia or NZ. Amazing that.

cavortingcheetah
8th Feb 2018, 23:00
The staff at the Beeb, politically a nasty red rag of a radio station, have their huge salaries and pension fund contributions paid for by a compulsory levy on the tax payer.

jimtherev
8th Feb 2018, 23:01
Fancy paying it, Squire?
All right, if no-one else wants to, I'll say how good the Beeb is... in comparison to stuff I've seen in N. America and Europe. Yes of course, they screw up. Yes, of course, there's wastage - always has been. But can anyone nominate broadcaster, nay any organisation where there is not screw-up or waste.
No, I don't pay a license fee any more - I'm too old. But I willingly paid it when I had to; it's still value for money.
Are you claiming it's better on Venus, PJ?

Rosevidney1
8th Feb 2018, 23:10
Seeing the BBC gets money from the EU it's not particularly surprising they keep peddling the same old propaganda. Considering the vast revenue they get from their captive audience it is also not surprising they have been empire building over the years. I have long since realised that they create hardly anything. Program makers approach the Beeb and try to 'sell' them a project. If the board approves, permission is granted and the makers will gold plate their budget accordingly knowing it has the blessing of guaranteed profit. Al Jazira seems to present news that is largely unbiased and I much prefer it to the BBC spin.

TURIN
8th Feb 2018, 23:15
You're bloody lucky to have your BBC - and you should fight like hell to keep it.

Damn Right!

I've said it before and I'll say it again, its a bl00dy bargain!

£147 a YEAR!!! 6 TV Channels, Multiple national and local radio stations, internet, local community support.

Have a look at Sky and see what you can get for £147 a year. Not much and they still throw adverts at you.

I do find it funny that on one side the BBC is full of lefty liberal, huggy fluffy dogooders and on the other its propaganda for the establishment. Hilarious!

TURIN
8th Feb 2018, 23:17
Al Jazira seems to present news that is largely unbiased...

Hahahahahahahahahah! Very good, best laugh i've had all night.

tartare
8th Feb 2018, 23:18
There are none so blind as those who do not wish to see?


Fancy paying for it Squire?

Isn't it interesting that most of the people who know how other countries function & should be run seem to live in either Australia or NZ. Amazing that.

I did pay for it for five years Tiger while I were living in your country.
And worked `t Beeb as well as staff - so I have inside knowledge.
But then I `spose that makes me either brainwashed, or a fellow-traveller... no? :rolleyes:

Sallyann1234
8th Feb 2018, 23:18
I have long since realised that they create hardly anything. Program makers approach the Beeb and try to 'sell' them a project. If the board approves, permission is granted and the makers will gold plate their budget accordingly knowing it has the blessing of guaranteed profit. Al Jazira seems to present news that is largely unbiased and I much prefer it to the BBC spin.
The BBC used to make all its own programmes using its staff.
It was successive governments who insisted that they commissioned more and more programmes from outside, and from the regions. This also meant they had little need to train staff, so standards generally in the industry have dropped as a result.

Gertrude the Wombat
8th Feb 2018, 23:38
Another aspect of council management is the elected members - who receive 'expenses' in addition to a 'stipend'.
Well, sort-of. The "allowance" for me came in at well under minimum wage for time spent on council work, resulting in a net cost of many thousands in lost income from time taken off paid work.

And I did claim for a babysitter once or twice, but soon gave up claiming expenses because I couldn't be arsed with the paperwork (whoops, sorry, that should read "because I reckoned the council needed the money more than I did").

(I am aware that some councillors in other councils pay themselves more than we did.)

Gertrude the Wombat
8th Feb 2018, 23:41
With regard to the OP's point, why do you think council tax is going up and up but service is going down and down?
Me Sir! Please Sir! I know that one!

Because central government impose more and more duties and costs on local government whilst cutting the central government grant. Councils can't make up all the difference by hiking car park and crem charges so council tax has to go up.

Gertrude the Wombat
8th Feb 2018, 23:43
Fancy paying for it Squire?
Some of us don't, and get all the radio services and most of the online services for free.

tartare
9th Feb 2018, 01:28
Likeywise.
We paid our taxes and wifey holds one of HMGs passports still - even if I is only Engerlish by patriality but tunnel bear is a marvellous thing... :E