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RAT 5
30th Jan 2018, 16:12
Here is a wonderful example. Luckily the parents of Worboy's victims managed to stall his release on the basis of this.

Saturday's DT.

"The study found 1 in 10 sex offenders who completed the program committed new offences , compared with 1 in 12 of those who did not (complete the program)"

A strong basis for his parole was contributed to by attending this course. Duh.

Other examples of 'not fit for purpose' proven by facts and not opinion????

under_exposed
30th Jan 2018, 18:16
Here is a wonderful example. Luckily the parents of Worboy's victims managed to stall his release on the basis of this.

Saturday's DT.

"The study found 1 in 10 sex offenders who completed the program committed new offences , compared with 1 in 12 of those who did not (complete the program)"

A strong basis for his parole was contributed to by attending this course. Duh.

Other examples of 'not fit for purpose' proven by facts and not opinion????

Are people put on the course at random or are those most likely to re-offend put on the course?

vapilot2004
30th Jan 2018, 19:37
In the states, between 1 in 10 and 1 in 8 child molesters recidivate, although relying on studies for sex offenders is problematic - unless the crime is against a stranger, the great majority of sexual crimes are not reported and of those reported, there is a substantial number that are not prosecuted. 1 in 3 rapists are repeat offenders.

Although draconian, perhaps castration, followed by excision, followed by death should be implemented for repeat offenders, the first in the series of punishments reserved for child molesters and recidivists.

Lonewolf_50
30th Jan 2018, 20:02
Although draconian, You are overcomplicating things. You missed the "bullet to the head" to recidivists concept. It is not a good precedent to set to mutilate people: either rehab them, or end them. I don't see the point in your multi step process.
Not everything needs to be a 12 step program.
(Heck, hanging used to be a punishment for horse thieves ... back when a horse was often a means of livelihood/feeding one's family, rather than the rich man's luxury that they have become. Maybe some fundamental principles are being forgotten)

vapilot2004
30th Jan 2018, 20:19
I smile at your response, Lonewolf. No 12 steps, indeed. :ok:

I recall a comedian suggesting that we wall off one state, put all the violent criminals inside, arm them, and put the whole thing on pay per view.

obgraham
30th Jan 2018, 21:41
I smile at your response, Lonewolf. No 12 steps, indeed. :ok:

I recall a comedian suggesting that we wall off one state, put all the violent criminals inside, arm them, and put the whole thing on pay per view.
Never happen. Democrats wouldn't want to lose the votes.

Sallyann1234
30th Jan 2018, 21:50
On the subject of sex offenders, what would the panel suggest should be done with this person:
Cross-dressing Burnley burglar jailed indefinitely | Lancashire Telegraph (http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/4390490.Cross_dressing_Burnley_and_Padiham_burglar_jailed_in definitely/)

who now decides he is a woman and wants to be treated as such and moved to a women's prison?

vapilot2004
30th Jan 2018, 22:01
Never happen. Democrats wouldn't want to lose the votes.

:}

The same could be said of the GOP regarding pathological liars, sex offenders and serial rapists of our land and water.

I do suppose you have a point getting such a thing through Congress. While Republicans may be ok with selling criminals guns and putting up walls, I'm bettin' they'll have a tough time with domestic televised violence competing with one of their wars overseas. Aside from that, all the best candidate states for walling off are red.

Gertrude the Wombat
30th Jan 2018, 22:03
(Heck, hanging used to be a punishment for horse thieves ... back when a horse was often a means of livelihood/feeding one's family, rather than the rich man's luxury that they have become. Maybe some fundamental principles are being forgotten)
The fundamental principle which I take from that, and which results in all sorts of shock and horror when I say it out loud, is that the death penalty is essentially an economic issue, and only becomes a moral one if you're rich enough to afford it.

If a society is rich enough to afford to abolish the death penalty, all well and good, and they would have my support. But if the cost of feeding a criminal (who has to be imprisoned for public safety and is thus not doing any useful work to contribute to producing food) through the winter is that two other people die of starvation, what then?

ZFT
30th Jan 2018, 23:10
I smile at your response, Lonewolf. No 12 steps, indeed. :ok:

I recall a comedian suggesting that we wall off one state, put all the violent criminals inside, arm them, and put the whole thing on pay per view.

A purpose for the Isle of Wight?

DG101
30th Jan 2018, 23:54
A purpose for the Isle of Wight?

Not big enough. I'd suggest somewhere larger. Australia might fit the bill

obgraham
31st Jan 2018, 00:41
Actually we already have the places here in the USA. We just need to add the walls.

Detroit, Baltimore, and NYC for starters. Maybe Compton.

Pinky the pilot
31st Jan 2018, 00:50
Not big enough. I'd suggest somewhere larger. Australia might fit the bill

No thanks!:* We had enough of your lot back in the late 1700's.:=:D

Although, come to think about it, they couldn't be any worse than some of the lot that have been coming here over the last 25 or so years!:hmm:

RAT 5
31st Jan 2018, 06:22
Other examples of 'not fit for purpose' proven by facts and not opinion????

Guys: the idea behind the opening thread was not to discuss a particular topic, e.g. sex offending, but to highlight other areas where answers to a problem have proved ineffective. This was a light-hearted observation that struck me immediately reading this newspaper article.

Krystal n chips
31st Jan 2018, 06:33
Other examples of 'not fit for purpose' proven by facts and not opinion????

Guys: the idea behind the opening thread was not to discuss a particular topic, e.g. sex offending, but to highlight other areas where answers to a problem have proved ineffective. This was a light-hearted observation that struck me immediately reading this newspaper article.

Lets start with this bunch then, for whom being "not fit for purpose " is an understatement.

Can be seen at every traffic incident or motorway repair / maintenance operation on a daily basis, let alone this one example.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/revealed-300000-cost-open-up-11015868

KelvinD
31st Jan 2018, 06:36
A purpose for the Isle of Wight? This is virtually the case now. My son used to deliver convicts from the courts to various prisons, including the Isle of Wight.
One of those, HMP Albany, was the destination for convicted sex offenders. Presumably, it is full of them.

UniFoxOs
31st Jan 2018, 07:47
Are people put on the course at random or are those most likely to re-offend put on the course?

Looks like the ones who want to get out quickly to do it again get themselves on it.

Pace
31st Jan 2018, 07:59
Guys: the idea behind the opening thread was not to discuss a particular topic, e.g. sex offending, but to highlight other areas where answers to a problem have proved ineffective. This was a light-hearted observation that struck me immediately reading this newspaper article.

Not fit for purpose is buying something which cannot deliver your expectations of what it was sold to you as being capable of

One major thing which fits the not fit for purpose tag is BREXIT

chevvron
31st Jan 2018, 08:59
Not fit for purpose is buying something which cannot deliver your expectations of what it was sold to you as being capable of


Such as Jeremy Corbyn?

sitigeltfel
31st Jan 2018, 09:10
One major thing which fits the not fit for purpose tag is BREXIT

You really should do your homework.

Guy Verhofstadt, the EUs chief Brexit negotiator, admits it is the EU that is not fit for purpose, live on the BBC!

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/760968/guy-verhofstadt-eu-brexit-chief-negotiator-not-fit-for-purpose-newsnight-integration

Sallyann1234
31st Jan 2018, 09:25
You really should do your homework.

Guy Verhofstadt, the EUs chief Brexit negotiator, admits it is the EU that is not fit for purpose, live on the BBC!

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/760968/guy-verhofstadt-eu-brexit-chief-negotiator-not-fit-for-purpose-newsnight-integration
I love the fact that the Express shows a closeup of Evan Davis with a caption of Guy Verhofstadt, causing one of its readers to comment that he looks 'sick and twisted' and not to be trusted around children.
Tells you all you need to know about the paper and its audience.

sitigeltfel
31st Jan 2018, 09:41
Tells you all you need to know about the paper and its audience.

You took the time to wander away from the core subject, delve into some obscure comment in the background and totally ignore the subject in an attempt at deflection?

Doesn't work!

Sallyann1234
31st Jan 2018, 09:45
So sorry to have disappointed you. :{

Isn't this how JB is supposed to work?