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arkmark
29th Jan 2018, 12:34
Are top management of airlines subject to drug and alcohol testing under CASA regulation ?
If not, then why not ?
Do John & Alan have to pass the same standards as the rest of us ?

Discuss:

bafanguy
29th Jan 2018, 13:37
Are top management of airlines subject to drug and alcohol testing under CASA regulation ? If not, then why not ?

I'll take a stab at this despite the question referencing CASA since the principle is likely the same worldwide.

The answer is NO. The further one gets up the food chain, the less one experiences the travails of the serfs and peasants.

When we were getting drug testing shoved down our throats here in the USA, I watched the hearings on drug abuse in the transportation (not just aviation) industry staged by the Senate Transportation Subcommittee. The airline industry was represented, at the Senate's request, by ALPA's national aeromedical chairman and an ALPA lawyer.

In a moment of frustration at the kangaroo court being staged, the ALPA lawyer suggested that members of Congress also be subject to drug testing.

The answer, addressing airline pilots, from one of the Perfumed Princes on the panel was: "I'm not going to fly a planeload of people to Chicago this afternoon...YOU are."

That's how it goes when you get to make up the rules to suit yourself.

Airline management are also Perfumed Princes.

swells
29th Jan 2018, 23:22
Are they doing a safety sensitive activity?

Or you simply want "equality"

You already know the answer

neville_nobody
29th Jan 2018, 23:34
No drug testing doesn't extend to anyone in management as they are not in a safety critical role.

Nick Xenophon tried to bring it in for Federal Members arguing that those who made the laws should have some sort of soberness whilst creating the law and people shouldn't be entering parliment half cut after dinner.

Suffice to say that idea didn't get very far.

swh
30th Jan 2018, 04:49
Are they doing a safety sensitive activity?

Or you simply want "equality"

You already know the answer

They are, they are the ones writing the flight ops notices, writing the operations manuals, deciding on schedules, deciding on hotels, deciding on crew transport in the simulator etc.

While these jobs may not directly control the aircraft they are directly involved in ensuring a safe outcome.

The industry is no place for people to have booze with lunch and turn back up at the office afterwards.

Should be a common policy across the whole organisation.

May as well not test the security staff at airports, they only process the crew and passengers, they don’t fly the aircraft.

framer
30th Jan 2018, 09:17
Are they doing a safety sensitive activity?
Yip.
I think their decision making has the potential to cause loss of life on the same scale as any individual pilot.
The regulator obviously sees their role as safety critical as well otherwise they wouldn’t require them to be ‘fit and proper’.

Brisbane Sinner
30th Jan 2018, 12:20
Drug testing might explain some of their decisions every now and then....

Kelly Slater
30th Jan 2018, 21:08
As swh said, "The industry is no place for people to have booze with lunch and turn back up at the office afterwards." That's for the Politians.

gordonfvckingramsay
30th Jan 2018, 21:47
Like the priesthood, the management domain is too secretive and important to be scrutinized by mere drug testers.