RYR basic salary UK bases

[EAM]

Hi guys,

can anyone tell me the basic salary for CPTs on a UK base?

Thank you.

[iome]

Basic £75k
Flight pay £36k (850hrs)
Allowances £6k
Productivity bonus £12k

[lansen]

Productivity bonus? What's that?

[EAM]

Thanks, so not flying you will make 75k GBP per year, right.
Same for other UK bases like EMA, or are they different?

[RYR738_driver]

Basic £75k
Flight pay £36k (850hrs)
Allowances £6k
Productivity bonus £12k

Good one! More like Basic £56k with 10% reduction for the first year for being on Probation, and if you call sick within year one you'll have deductions.

[bex88]

That’s surprising beats most including BA unless you have been there for years.

[Enzo999]

£43 an hour for flight pay, that seems way above market average. Also what are the details on the allowances, exactly what are they, duty hours, meal costs, overnight incidentals etc?

[VJW]

My new basic in STN is £74k.
Flight pay in STN is £38.49/PSBH. 850 hrs is a little under £33k gross. I flew 890 hours last year, so 900 hours is £34.6k
New total based on 900 hours (basic was 63k last month before new deal kicked in) is now £108.6k.

Productivity bonus is £12k and in STN we got that for the first time this month. I've resigned, and wonder if they'll want this back as I've not offered to work any days off, let alone the amount (I believe its 6 per year) they require.

Allowances (or expenses) is £6k per year. While this is paid monthly at £500, this is a gross figure and I presume we actually only see £300 of it. I spend that monthly on things like LOL/private healthcare/car parking/bottled water etc - so I personally don't treat this as income. It what everyone else provides for you. Ryanair don't, and somehow convince people they make £6k more.

Yes Bex88 - the Captain salary at RYR has always been better than junior FO salary at BA. Why is that surprising? Before the new deal I'd have taken at least a 30% pay cut to go from LHS RYR to RHS BA.

Enzo- the sector pay is high because the basic pay is so pathetically low. We actually have to work our a$$ off to get a competitive salary.

This new deal doesn't beat Easyjet. Where the basic salary alone there is £105k.

[bex88]

VJW. What I meant was the salary at RYR for captains is better than that at BA for captains unless you have been in for about 15 years. I have friends at RYR and I don’t advise them to come to BA. It’s good to see a improvement in terms

[Redbird1]

glad to see that RYR is slowly picking up the pieces ! Hopefully more airlines follow suit

[Callsign Kilo]

Serious question. How much would you be willing to surrender in order for the culture of the organisation to shift significantly? Sans O’Leary, Wilson etc etc

[Lazydogg]

In pure money terms in the UK it’s 92k before you fly.
74k basic
6k allowance
12k productivity. The productivity requires you to choose three days in November and three in December of each year. You can choose the days and if they don’t ask you to work them you still get it. It’s paid at 1000 a month by 12. 6k is the same paid at 500 a month by 12.
Bank on 750-800 hours at 38.49 an hour which is just shy of 29k at the lower end.

All in about 120k in the UK. LTC add 13k to that. Pension 8k in 8k matched.

Before I get flamed I am not stating it’s good and I’m not stating it’s bad. I’ve just clarified what it is in money terms for those that want to know.

[TheMightyAtom]

£43 an hour for flight pay, that seems way above market average. Also what are the details on the allowances, exactly what are they, duty hours, meal costs, overnight incidentals etc?

The majority of the sector pay is non-taxable, not sure how they pulled that one with HMRC as most companies it's a couple of quid.

That's all you get for allowances, that's your food, duty pay etc etc. The only other thing you're entitled to is 30 quid for a night away.

Arguing with the youth hostel they booked you into, because they forget to make a reservation, is free of charge.

[carbheatout]

Sounds like aviations best kept secret, taking into account 5-4....

[Monstersinc1]

5/4 isn't all it's cracked up to be. And they seem to think this is a unique selling point. If you live elsewhere and commute it's great, but living locally it's pointless, the fact being that you can NEVER get AL, so any events you may like to attend on your 5 on.....not going! Unless you go sick of course.....but then on the 'new' deal you have to give them back any sick days you take.....or you lose the 'bonus'....wtf.....don't go sick folks.....fly!

Also the figures being touted around are very over exaggerated, my P60 last year sad £106000, OK they have added a few more bonuses/bribes in recently, but you have to work for it, really really hard....5 X 4 sector days in a row, flying with a guy that barely speaks English, no assistance from ops etc if it all goes tits up, ground handling atrocious, as Ryanair don't pay them, cabin crew that don't really give a :mad: about you, just have to sell 40 scratch cards per flight of they end up on the wrong end of the ginger beast! Oh and fill your old Sprite bottle up from a tap in the crew room (some guys use old gin/whisky/vodka bottles....at least people have a sense of humour!) . All in all a crap place to work, oh and this "award winning" training system is slowly being diluted with 500hr LHS heroes as the older/wiser LTCs/TREs get fed up with teaching muppets or never actually getting to fly. At a recent job interview, the guy doing the interview actually said if you had come is as a RYR TRE 3 years ago, respect! But now, no, your considered just another number in the RYR machine.

Is there a reason they are installing all these fixed base sims everywhere and trying to recruit ' training FOs'..... Yes, because the quality of the new recruits is is that bad that they have to train them before they train them....In my day 40-60 sectors would get guys out on the line.....now 100 sectors is the norm........wow.

I've left the place now, for less pay, but a lot less stress and hassle. Also my doctor says my back is getting better, probably because I don't have to carry 3 litres of water and 3 meals the 3 miles we walk on average a day, in the rain........ Oh and speaking of rain, be prepared to stand outside in the rain/snow on a headset whilst the fuel truck pumps on 12t, on a 25 min turnaround.....

Enjoy......

[Enzo999]

The majority of the sector pay is non-taxable, not sure how they pulled that one with HMRC as most companies it's a couple of quid.

That's all you get for allowances, that's your food, duty pay etc etc. The only other thing you're entitled to is 30 quid for a night away.

Arguing with the youth hostel they booked you into, because they forget to make a reservation, is free of charge.

So hang on th majority of the £38.50 per block hour is non taxable? How did you get away with that? I have worked for several companies that pay for duty and block time and never has the block pay been free of tax. Really is sounding like the best kept secret!

[VJW]

Some people on here simply have no idea what they're talking about - it's scary. Enzo if it sounds too good to be true it probably is mate.

Last month I made £3366 gross on sector pay (87 hours roughly at £38.49). My pay slip specifically states £3146 of it is gross the other £220 is non taxable. I received a net of £1910 for this £3366 gross sector earned (57% of the amount gross). You all can be the judge of whether 'The majority of the sector pay is non-taxable' is a reasonable statement or not.

I genuinely think people don't know how to read their own payslips.

[Avenger]

My Son is an FO at STN and I can confirm he pays tax on his gross salary, inc sector pay, if he didn't I would charge hm more rent! He's on a UK contract, I don't know the nasty ins and outs of the paperwork, but the salary is compatible to others, guess the same rules apply to Captains

[TheMightyAtom]

Apologies if I've mislead some there! When I was there Im sure I received about £19 paid net (ok not necessarily the same as non-taxable) and the remainder (~£13) rolled into the salary taxed and paid at the end of the month. Perhaps I was on an older contract or I simply dreamt this.

[VJW]

You're kinda forgiven MightAtom, only cause you apologised ;)

A known problem with pprune with all due respect, is people commenting to the masses who don't even work in that airline any more.

Firstly the OP was asking about Captains Salary not FO's. 19+13 is £32 PSBH -the current FO sector pay.

You didn't dream anything you just spoke in error. Receiving £19 net means you paid 40% tax on the £32 gross sector pay. Personally I don't think you received the majority of your gross sector pay in your pocket, and saying the majority of sector pay is non-taxable is simply inaccurate and misleading.

In my example above where last month £220 of my £3366 sector pay was non-taxable, that works out as 6.5% of my sector pay that I didn't pay tax on. I think is accurate to therefore say, the majority of the sector pay is taxed.

[TheMightyAtom]

That makes more sense. That's what you get for working in the sim, you never see any sector pay!

[GKOC41]

BALPA have just been signed up for UK FR Pilots its on the BBC business sorry not old enough to post URL

[wisecaptain]

Ryanair signs "historic" agreement to recognise UK pilots' union Balpa | City A.M. (http://www.cityam.com/279707/ryanair-ties-up-historic-agreement-recognise-uk-pilots)

[wisecaptain]

All this nonsense about filling up a water bottle !
Mineral water bottles leach PBA's into your water.
You decide which is worse , its a complex argument.
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/what-is-bpa#section1

[We Tu Lo]

I've just made the questionable decision to join FR as an non typed skipper and the base salary is £69k, everything else seems the same. Two of my colleagues who are joining are in the same boat and have been offered the same. No doubt this is so that we pay for the TR in addition to being bonded, though there is no mention of the salary going up 5k after the bond is over. If I had any intention of staying beyond 500h I suppose I should be annoyed, but it is just a means to an end.

[UAV689]

Did you get the new starter bonus? If so, it wouldn't surprise me that they have reduced your basic by the amount of the "bonus" you get!

The uk salary in STN should now be a basic of £74k. Not sure what base you are getting, but looks like they are doing the classic trick they always have done, of agreeing a "deal" for current contract staff, and anyone new that gets a Ryanair contract a few weeks after the "deal" was "agreed" gets a pay reduction...this is what they did with FO basic salary to drive the wage down to a low of 20k basic when it was well over 40k! (They are now shouting to high heaven about the pay rise FO's have got, when in reality it is still less than the wage 10yrs ago!)

[VJW]

Thats the deduction for type rating costs isnt it? - so about £15k - not too bad and at least its before tax, so it only feels half as bad! I would think the salary reverts up to the base agreement after the three years.

£5k a year for 5 years not 3 I believe

[We Tu Lo]

I didn't get a new starter bonus - I'm non-typed - and there is nothing in the contract to indicate that the salary will go up by 5k at any point.

I suppose I'm posting because others considering applying to FR will read the threads and it's always handy to get a heads up on what to actually expect.

Which, true to reputed form, is Ryanair loudly announcing a a solution to one of their problems (crew retention) then immediately working as hard as they can to save money, and in the process undermining any chance of their fix holding.

I suppose I can't say they haven't prepared me for what to expect!

[FlyHigher]

The bond is for 3 years. After that your basic will be increased by 5K.

[Say Mach Number]

Correct.....

[RAT 5]

BALPA have just been signed up for UK FR Pilots its on the BBC business

is it that UK bases voted to accept the 'New Deal' before BALPA was involved, or did BALPA recommend the vote?

[MaverickPrime]

I seem to recall from a BALPA news letter that BALPA asked RYR to pass the new pay deal on to pilots regardless of the vote. I've deleted it so can't remember exactly.

[LHS320]

So there you have it. The ink isn`t dry on any agreements and the culture remains the same. When is the profession going to learn.

Before signing any contract or lease it has always been the same "READ THE SMALL PRINT."

BALPA don`t give a rats arse, they are now going to be nice and cosy with another 1% of 4000 pilots hard earned cash.

What about the conditions what about the management style of pressure?

[highfive]

So have I got this correct : Ryanair take £ 25,000 from your salary over 5 years?( or £15000 over 3years )
Is it a bond or a pay for a type rating ?
What happens if you leave after 2 years, they want the remaining “ bond” money?

I thought pay to fly was over !

[UAV689]

LHS320

Not strictly true. We dont have 4000 pilots in the UK! About 600 ryanair employees and maybe the same again contractors.

I agree with the small print, however many many people got green eyes envy at new starters getting the new higher “deal” and were willing to kill their grandmothers for the extra tenner a month without seeing the bigger picture.

However, we are extremely hopeful that this is the start of something new, albiet cautious about the managements past form in staff management.

[McBruce]

Your only as strong as your membership and CC.

[Say Mach Number]

Your pay will revert to the whatever the base salary is as negotiated by BALPA once the 3 years is up.

[Skyjob]

12k productivity. The productivity requires you to choose three days in November and three in December of each year.

Almost true, only need to offer these days in first contractual year, all future years this is not a requirement.
This stems from initially asking crew last year to do exactly that to get bonus which had additional loopholes included in "deal" which were deemed unachievable by most pilots.

Therefore now all pilots are asked to offer in return the same as what was requested last year to selective bases only, even though a repeat of last year is unforeseen to reoccur, but there has to be something pilots have to "do" to get the bonus. Thus if you forget to offer them these days (note: they may not remind you of having to offer) you will not get productivity bonus element afterwards anymore for duration of pay deal, that is your personal choice to thus offer them days in November and December.

In terms of mortgage usage, this element is treated as bonus and not contractually secured, so basic increase can be used for future mortgage applications, but productivity bonus cannot unless conditions are satisfied (not until end of year and on pay-check monthly until then).

Regarding other posters advising of reduced salary, it has been Ryanair tradition during first 12 months after upgrade or joining as DEC to have a 90% basic pay cap, this may have been revoked but equally if still in place be the reason for a reduced basic in comparison.

[CaptainProp]

BALPA don`t give a rats arse, they are now going to be nice and cosy with another 1% of 4000 pilots hard earned cash.


BALPA always cared for Big Airways and Big Airways only. Not gonna change.

[Boeing 7E7]

What a load of nonsense! Can you provide any material proof to back up your statement?

[5 RINGS]

He can’t...every company council is made up of elected reps from said company ranks, looking after the interests of their colleagues within the scope of said airline.

Anything else is fantasy and is heard as well about other legacy carrier unions around Europe.