LFLB new requirement

[chr]

Hello
Just looking confirmations I undesrstand current rulles correctly.
Requirements changed recently and now training simulator is required for both commercial and private but only if they are planning to flight during the night time or in conditions less than 5 km/3500 ft .
For daytime operations and in a weather conditions better than above operator or PIC is obliged to set specific operational instructions . And here is my other question - what should be done and how it should be proved ? Is it enough to familiar with all procedures/briefing and then write and sign some statement or something different is required ?

Thank for your clues
Regards

[CL300]

For LFLB you are right only if operating below this weather or at night you need training. Today it is very simple, you can only operate on part SPO, NCC or CAT. In any of these situation you have an accountable manager ( that can hold as many functions as it is humanly possible), Part NCC you have a chapter for training, in Part Cat a part D, etc..
Therefore a statement from the adequate portion of your manuals with the appropriate references and of you go.
The operator is responsible for this. LFLB and LFLP next door requires training in a FSTD ( not an FFS) should you want to operate in there below minima, or go there in VMC and practice..The simulator and its visual do not need to be approved by the authorities, again it is the operator responsibility .
By the way it is the same for all airport that fall into cat C (LOWI, LSGS, etc..)

[janrein]

To chr

As a relevant reference to the above the following find and summary:

AIR OPS
AMC1 ORO.FC.105(b)(2);(c) Designation as pilot-in-command/commander
ROUTE/AREA AND AERODROME KNOWLEDGE FOR COMMERCIAL OPERATIONS
... requires the operator to categorise aerodromes into categories A, B, C,
where B requires additional (self)briefing and C additional training.

On the other hand also the AIP (and therefore Jeppesen charts) may define requirements, in a variety of wordings:
Operational conditions, specific operational instructions, provisions for pilot training, must be able to prove that they comply, subject to verifications during ramp inspections ... (LFLB Jepp Plate 10-1P)
Or more lightly described (for less severe terrain conditions):
Operational availability ... is limited to a previous real approach in VMC or an approved simulator (LEPP Jepp Plate 10-9A).
Such operational requirements from the AIP imply that the operator should classify such aerodromes as Cat C.

jr

[CL300]

Well in the case of chambers or Annecy, you can put them in B , with the restriction or in C with the training...

[janrein]

Ah, yes you're right, of course.

[chr]

one more doubt . Regarding to what AIP is saying point 20.5 if I'm planning to fly there in jet but private ops (non-commercial) and the aircraft is certified for less than 19 pax those requirements doesn't comply for me , so do I need training in FSTD also if planning to land in less thank 3500ft/5 km ?

20.5 SPECIAL OPERATING REQUIREMENTS
These requirements are applicable to :
- all commercial purpose airplanes operators
and
- all non-commercial purpose airplanes operators having a maximum certified passenger seating capacity above 19, crew seats excepted.[/B]
20.5.1 Operating conditions
These requirements are Due to mountainous terrain in the vicinity of Chambéry airport, it is considered essential that pilots are well familiar with approach, missed approach, circling manoeuvres, and departure procedures.

Therefore, concerned operators have to set specific operational instructions for the use of Chambéry airport as well as provisions for their pilots training.
The responsibility for the preparation of such information rests on the operator (or pilot-in-command for non-commercial flights).
The design of any departure contingency procedure is the responsibility of the operator/pilot-in-command.
20.5.2 Airport knowledge
A briefing about procedures intended for use is mandatory for captains and pilots to whom the flight can be delegated.
Instruction in a suitable flight simulator (FSTD) or training in VMC on site is required before night opeations and operations in weather conditions of less than 3500 feet of ceiling and 5000 metres of visiblity.
Note : all operators and pilots must be able to prove that they comply with the above requirements. The application of these provisions will be subject to verifications during ramp inspections.

[imriozer]

You only need training if you are operating night time AND a weather below...

[chr]

just received a respond from French CAA which state as below:

Dear Sir,

I confirm that there is no training required for private flight with aircrafts of less than 19 seats whatever the weather minima.

Best regards,