The Labour Party

[anchorhold]

If anyone out there like me in dissapointed to say the least with presennt conservative government in terms of leadership, the NHS, student loans, awarding of goverment contracts and defence cuts, like me you might be thinking of joining the Labour party.

To my surprise, and I do not know why, for people in the armed forces and ex armed forces it is a mere £3.00 per year. A bargain.

[Tankertrashnav]

For an extra quid they will throw in spelling lessons :*

[ExRAFRadar]

Did you think this was Jetblast?

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And if you really believe all that Corbyn promises then I have a nice bridge you might like to buy.

Yes, the Conservatives are doing a pretty crap job but put Labour in power and you really will have something to complain about.

[NutLoose]

Anchorhold,

To be polite, I would rather fry my testicles on a hotplate than join the Labour party with the likes of Abbot, Corbyn and the rest of his cronies, you think the Conservatives are bad, you haven't seen anything compared to the farce we would have if they ever got into power.

£3 to the Labour party, you would be better off spending that £3 on bringing clean water to some African, at least it wouldn't be full of the sh*t you would get with Labour in power..


Thanks for giving me a good laugh.

[cokecan]

...Yes, the Conservatives are doing a pretty crap job but put Labour in power and you really will have something to complain about.

i'm afraid that a great many people have a great deal to complain about already - if your salary, despite going to university, working hard, and not buying Audi's on PCP's - buys only 75% of what your salary bought a decade ago and you can see that your children stand almost no chance of being able to buy a house until they're in their 50's and they get your inheritance, then the economy is already broken. telling such people - and the above includes pretty much everyone i was at university with or served with - that Corbyn will 'break the economy' will cause them to bat not one eyelid.

shades, i fear, of the remain campaign (for which i voted): telling people they risk things they don't have doesn't work.

[NutLoose]

Trouble is todays generations do not remember the bad old days of Labour.. The type of labour Corbyn is trying to foist upon the country... and it was dire, the day that the Unions ever get a foothold into strangling the country again will be a sad day for us all. sigh.... three day weeks, black outs and rubbish stacked in the streets...

[blimey]

It's a interesting exercise and should be a wake-up call. You'll see how driven they are on social media, and how dogmatic they're becoming. Attlee must be spinning in his grave.

Buy some candles, you may need them.

[ImageGear]

The prospect of Putin and other Marx/Trot adherents enjoying guest appearances in the HOC together with a selection of tin pot dictators buying up more of my England fills me with dread. If you think corruption is rife now, wait until some of these other demagogues get involved.

Anyone with a military background should have seriously considered their options because I am sure there won't be any after the coup. Momentum has all the characteristics of a political will enforcer. Think GPU/Stasi.

One Labour MP, speaking anonymously, criticised the loyalty deal with Momentum, for would be MP's.

It reflects a Stalinist approach to politics that Momentum would come up with such a contract for candidates. It has worrying implications for our democracy that there could be MPs in parliament who have signed away their right to independent judgement


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[Chinny Crewman]

Trouble is todays generations do not remember the bad old days of Labour.

But they are living through the current Conservative chaos and experience it every day. From a military perspective we’ve had 7 years of cuts and there are currently 2 threads on here about defence expenditure and infrastructure management by Carillion. The whole scaremongering doesn’t wash. It may be a lot worse under Labour but as previously mentioned many think it can’t get any worse.
Incidentally power cuts and the 3 day week were during the 1973 Conservative government although most people accept the role Unions played.

[Saintsman]

The conservatives are a lessor of two evils in some respects, though they have been hindered by the massive debts they inherited. When Labour get in next time (and I think the youth will let them) the Conservatives will still get the flak when they are re-elected once the youth wise up, because they will still be shackled with even greater debts.

However as was mentioned earlier, this is a subject for Jet Blast.

[Cornish Jack]

"It has worrying implications for our democracy that there could be MPs in parliament who have signed away their right to independent judgement"

Oh no!! How could that be???:eek: If that were true, we could end up with the Great Leader endorsing and fighting for a viewpoint which she voted against in the Referendum!!!:yuk: Shirley not!! :mad:
The REAL problem is that we are only, realistically, offered a choice between the present bunch of self-seeking, noses-in-the-trough brigade and their equally awful counterparts. What hope is there, if the choice is between the 'Bullingdon Buffoon' and his mates and the 'dyed-in-the-wool' "kill the posh people" Club.
Politics at its ultimate grubbiest!!:yuk::yuk::yuk:

[Cazalet33]

if you really believe all that Corbyn promises then I have a nice bridge you might like to buy.

I believe all Tory promises.

Can I buy your bridge please?

[Blacksheep]

I'm sorry to say it, but a Corbyn government in 2022 or earlier is now inevitable. After that, once the younger generations realise what a mistake they have made it will be too late. UK is on a descent to second-world status (we are already well on the way) and I feel so sad for my grand-children who will have to endure it. I'm too old now to worry about it, the socialists cannot do me any more harm than they already have since my childhood and I'll be 80 by the end of Corbyn's first term. (Indeed, I may outlive him). The Secretary General of the TUC was on Breakfast this morning to tell us how the government will need to pick up the bill for the Carillion collapse and spend more on this and that, blissfully ignoring the point made to him that a government doesn't have any money of its own.

[Chinny Crewman]

...blissfully ignoring the point made to him that a government doesn't have any money of its own.

As any Labour activist will point out they can find it when they need to. £1B to the DUP, £2.3B to raise the student loan repayment threshold. The wider point is government will end up paying for the public services so when the going is good it’s dividends and bonuses all round but when it goes belly up the tax payer covers the cost.

[beardy]

Would it not be unwise to form a 5th column within the labour party? Their weak point is their democracy and that wont last long. So join now and corrupt it from within, take lessons from Momentum.

[rolling20]

I was watching a Discovery program or the like on the fall of communism in Europe yesterday. Now don't forget McDonnell is an avowed Marxist, he along with Corbyn would drag us down that route, which I am sure no one really wants to contemplate. What I cannot understand from these 2 ,is that Europe threw off those shackles nearly 30 years ago now and peoples relief was genuine and heartfelt. To see those scenes again brings back the emotions of that time and I will be buggered if I am going to vote for the labour party.

[cokecan]

Would it not be unwise to form a 5th column within the labour party? Their weak point is their democracy and that wont last long. So join now and corrupt it from within, take lessons from Momentum.

i take it you've not had the pleasure of attending Labour Party branch meetings?

being a member, just a member, gets you nowhere. you can vote in leadership elections, but getting your candidate on the ballot paper requires activism and persuasion, it means you needing to have a record of local activism both at election time and within the party at a local level - doing the minutes, booking the rooms, maybe going to conference, doing 'dog **** politics' that means when you stand in front of a room full of other party members and say 'i'm supporting X, and this is why i think you should to..' they'll listen to what you have to say.

the Corbyn/Momentum people can do this because they have enthusiasm, and because they see their enemies within the party are thoroughly disheartened and just can't be arsed.

Labour will win in 2022 (or whenever) because it has lots of people who will knock on doors and say 'vote for us and we'll make your life better'. the tories will lose because they look tired, sleazy, not very competant and because its become abundantly clear that not only to the Tories not have a plan to make 'average' peoples lives better, but they don't really have much inclination to.

i only voted Tory in 2017 because of Corbyn's foreign and defence policies, and because i thought that without a decent majority Brexit would turn into an even bigger mess than it needed to. given some of the defence cuts that have/will go through on TM's watch, i'm going to be asking myself if Corbyn would really be much worse...

at least my wife will get a pay rise.

[Bob Viking]

Why do we spend so much time worrying about stuff that hasn’t happened yet and that we cannot, individually, effect?

I find my life is immeasurably happier when I ignore all the agenda driven media tripe and just live my life.

I make the most of what I have from day to day and try not to worry about whether I’m better or worse off than last year.

I know we can’t help ourselves from reading everything in the news and getting all hyped up about it but, really, whatever is going to happen will happen anyway and from day to day (unless nuclear war breaks out) your house will keep standing and there will be food on your table at the end of the day.

Slightly rhetorical and I don’t expect to start a new pprune based political movement but just my thoughts.

BV

[NutLoose]

That's it, I'm moving to Bob's....... who's coming?

[GlosMikeP]

... like me you might be thinking of joining the Labour party..

Having lived through the 1970s and Labour governments that looked much like the present Labour front bench, I'd rather see the most incompetent of Conservative governments running things than go back to the 3 day week, power cuts, dock strikes, lorry driver strikes and all the rest.

I'd also like to avoid seeing junior servicemen treated as they were then so badly they frequently had to rely on the Station Commander's fund to pay their household bills. A flying officer I knew in 1978-9 had every pay top-up (in substitution of pay rise, which were more limited then than now) and social assistance for his family, including free school meals for his children.

Anyone that thinks the Labour party now has any better answers than they did then needs to read some history.

[Chinny Crewman]

I'd rather see the most incompetent of Conservative governments running things than go back to the 3 day week, power cuts, dock strikes, lorry driver strikes and all the rest....
.. read some history.

All occurred under the Conservative Heath government. Oh the irony.

[Roland Pulfrew]

Why do we spend so much time worrying about stuff that hasn’t happened yet and that we cannot, individually, effect?

I find my life is immeasurably happier when I ignore all the agenda driven media tripe and just live my life.

I make the most of what I have from day to day and try not to worry about whether I’m better or worse off than last year.

I know we can’t help ourselves from reading everything in the news and getting all hyped up about it but, really, whatever is going to happen will happen anyway and from day to day (unless nuclear war breaks out) your house will keep standing and there will be food on your table at the end of the day.

Slightly rhetorical and I don’t expect to start a new pprune based political movement but just my thoughts.

BV


Gets my vote, far too much handwringing going on across the country about what might or could happen when they, just as equally, might not. When are you setting this party up?

[Heathrow Harry]

All occurred under the Conservative Heath government. Oh the irony.


and it was Labour who built the British A bomb, joined the Berlin Air lift, went to war in Korea, continued the deterrent, spent a zillion on Chevaline, kicked off Successor & ordered the new QE carriers................

[Wander00]

HH - that was THE Labour Party, not the current crop of idjits, but dangerous idjits

[glad rag]

"From a military perspective we’ve had 7 years of cuts "


Try getting some real time in!

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The yoof of today think that Labour is what we had from 1997 to 2010, forgetting that was a much more centrist New Labour under Bliar.

The country wasn't in too bad shape then if you ignore the raft of PFIs, selling of half our gold reserves, assisting with bank deregulation that made the 2008 crash much, much worse and then compounded the problem by propping the banks up.

Those are the bits that Corbyn's Labour like to pretend didn't happen and that the idea of spending our way out of our current problems is a new and radical one and the only answer.

Perhaps if the last Labour govt hadn't left a note in the Treasury saying 'There's no money left', people might give the present bunch the benefit of the doubt but when they promise jam today and jam tomorrow with no idea of how to pay for it, it will make high house prices and personal debt look like something to dream of.

[Chinny Crewman]

"From a military perspective we’ve had 7 years of cuts "


Try getting some real time in!

I think you have misunderstood my post, I have served considerably longer than 7 years. My point was that ever since the current Conservative government has been in power we have had year on year cuts.

[NutLoose]

Partly to offset the financial mess Labour left the Country in. You do not suddenly come into power and go at it with a hatchet to make ones self popular and win votes, you do it because the previous bunch have left it in such a perilous state that you have to.

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Oh, and let's not forget that the 3 day week was a measure to keep British industry going in the face of militant NUM strikes - the same militant left that now power Momentum.

Or that the NUM voted to strike after refusing a 16.5% pay offer.....................

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And I forgot how many servicemen were lost/injured after Labour sent us to war in Iraq and Afghanistan..................

[Chinny Crewman]

Partly to offset the financial mess Labour left the Country in. You do not suddenly come into power and go at it with a hatchet to make ones self popular and win votes, you do it because the previous bunch have left it in such a perilous state that you have to.

‘We would have matched Labour spending pound for pound and there was little else that could have been done to prevent the crash’ - George Osborne in the Spectator interview with Andrew Neil. October 2017.

The ‘Labour broke it and we will fix it’ mantra was an effective election slogan in 2010 but given what’s happened since even tories don’t parrot it anymore.

[NutLoose]

A lot of that spending was to bring the Army etc into the 21 century to fight a war that Labour put us into. Even by their own admission

In the most important Budget speech for a generation, the Chancellor is likely to concede that the economy is heading for its worst annual decline in more than 60 years.

Wednesday's Budget would be a "day of reckoning" for Labour, the Tories said, with Mr Darling forced to finally "lay bare" the worst public finances "in the world" and the wider economic carnage of the party's past decade in power.

Two leading economic forecasters predict another 18 months of "serious grief" for the British economy and sound a warning that any recovery is at least a year away, with almost a million more job losses to come.

One of Labour's leading union backers, meanwhile, will say that the Budget is the "last chance" for the party to show why it was elected in 1997.

Mr Darling is expected to admit that the economy will shrink by at least three per cent this year and that the Government has been forced into record levels of borrowing that will mean tax rises and billions of pounds of spending cuts.

Britain facing 'worst recession since World War II', Darling to admit in Budget - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/budget/5184636/Britain-facing-worst-recession-since-World-War-II-Darling-to-admit-in-Budget.html)

[lsh]

It is a generational thing:
Every generation votes in a Labour government, then wises-up!
As has also been said earlier, the last "Labour" government, was not!

lsh

[Cazalet33]

Would it not be unwise to form a 5th column within the labour party?Yup, that'll work.

https://www.pprune.org/Would it not be unwise to form a 5th column within the labour party?https://s10.postimg.org/a9zmc1mdl/Tosseur.jpg

Get a Toryboy Fettesian ouanquer to head up the 5th column and off we go to War.

It's worked before.

[Vendee]

The Secretary General of the TUC was on Breakfast this morning to tell us how the government will need to pick up the bill for the Carillion collapse and spend more on this and that, blissfully ignoring the point made to him that a government doesn't have any money of its own.

It found the money to bail out the banks, ironically the same banks that have pulled the plug on Carrilion.

[CloudHound]

It's been said before, but Labour Governments eventually run out of other people's money.

[langleybaston]

Gets my vote, far too much handwringing going on across the country about what might or could happen when they, just as equally, might not. When are you setting this party up?

Whn we go on holiday [which is often, very often] we eschew [!?!?] TV, radio, newspapers. The fartsmone is used for weather forecasts. End of.

Bliss.