CAE skills assessment

[Minotaur12]

Morning Ladies and Gentleman,
Im due to go and attend the CAE skills assessment early next year and was just wondering what to expect?! I have had a reasonable trawl through the forums to try and gather the information instead of coming to ask for help but was a little surprised that only L3 flight academy had some details up!

Id be grateful if those who have recently sat it could show a little comradeship and dish out some information then I can prepare as best as possible i.e. whats the failure rates? are the tests very difficult? advice on the group exercises? interview questions? pass marks on the maths and physics tests ... just generally anything no matter how big or small.

are you allowed a calculator in the physics exam?

[Minotaur12]

what sort of things can you expect in the group exercise?

[Thegreenmachine]

About 100 different scenarios, Google it.

Mine was something along the lines of....stranded on a mountain with 7 people, need to return to rendezvous point but one person has a broken leg and you have to pick 3 items to take with you from a list. Result not important, decision making, listening and engaging others might be.

[Minotaur12]

thanks ever so much!!

anybody got any silly suggestions for how to remember series of numbers in the adapt test?

[Kerkhove]

Hi everyone,
I have my 6 selection test next month... if it can help you, the school sent me this :

Some more information about the selection tests:

• You will do the following tests spread over 2 days: English, Physics, ADAPT-test, personality questionnaire, personal interview and BFA (Basic Flying Assessment). The personality questionnaire can be completed at home before the selection test days. You will receive a separate e-mail with a web link a few days before your assessment days.

• The results of your selection tests will be communicated afterwards by e-mail.

• The payment of € 400,00 for the selection process must be done on the first assessment day at our academy itself. You can do this by credit card (Bancontact/Mister Cash, VISA, Vpay, Maestro, and MasterCard), NOT in cash.



Physics test:

This is a written multiple choice test. You are allowed to bring a one line display calculator, with sin, cos and tan… Calculators with memory are not allowed.

These are the important subjects:

• Basic physics sizes (length, mass, angle, t°, volume, speed, acceleration)

• Units (meter, kilogram, second, amps)

• Distance travelled, speed, acceleration

• Weight, mass, density and volume

• Newton’s law, inertia, forces

• Determination of centre of gravity

• Work, energy, power (kinetic energy, pressure energy)

• Thermometric scales: °C, °F, °K

• Pressure, density, t° of a liquid or a gas

• Perfect gases law, Boyle-Mariotte law, Gay-Lussac law, Dalton’s law

• Change of state of a liquid/gas/solid

• Basics of electricity: DC and AC current, tension, equivalent resistance, Ohm

• Basics of magnetism: magnetic field, permanent magnet, lines of flux



Question Example:

• A quantity of gas (p = 3 x 105 Pa, T=300K) is compressed until the half of its initial volume and is heated to 70°C. What is the final gas pressure?

(Answer: P2= 6, 86 105Pa)

• Determine the weight (in Newton) of a sphere that has a volume of 1,1 x 10-7 m3 and a density of 2,7 kg/dm3 (gravitation acceleration: 9.81m/s2)

(Answer: 2, 91x10-3)

• 3 resistances of 5Ω are placed in parallel. Find the value of a unique equivalent resistance.

(Answer: 1.67Ω)



English test:

This is a computer-based test which is focused on general English vocabulary.



Basic Flight Assessment:

This is an aptitude test which evaluates the basic skills required for flying, such as:

• Handling skills

• Multi-tasking

• Co-ordination

It also assesses the learning curve and takes about 30 minutes. No preparation for this test is required.



ADAPT:

This is a computer based testing system which includes the following elements:

• Progressive Maths - Maths questions which get progressively more difficult as the test progresses. Some of the topics covered include algebra, trigonometry, factorising quadratics and Speed/Distance/Time.

• Progressive Physics - Physics questions which get progressively more difficult as the test progresses. Some of the topics covered by the test includes acceleration, relative speed and kinetic energy.

• Cognitive - Assess a wide range of aptitudes including Working Memory, Perceptual Speed & Accuracy and Spatial Relationship Reasoning. This cognitive assessment is designed for Ab Initio candidates.

• FAST - A multi-tasking and learning assessment made up of physical, cognitive and situational elements. The aim for the candidates is to prioritize and manage multiple activities and learn from previous experience to improve future performance.

• Fixed Wing 1&2 - A conceptual flying task which aims to measure co-ordination and accuracy. The test works using a desktop joystick setup to navigate to waypoints around a designated route.

• Co-ordination Assessment - This assessment is designed to test a candidate's hand eye co-ordination and dexterity. Using a joystick the candidate must aim to hold a ball in the center of a target circle whilst it tries to move away from the center.



Personal interview:
Your personal interview will partly be conducted in Dutch or French (if this is your mother tongue) and a part will be in English.

[crip1808]

Hi Minotaur12,

I did my Stage 2 assessment before Xmas. There are a few different parts to the assessment, first is a maths and physics test. You are not allowed to have a calculator or phone for that matter, but they do provide you with a formula sheet which is useful. After that you have questions about sequences, rotating shapes, odd one out, memorising numbers. All fair easy questions. The harder parts are the hand-eye coordination tests. Have a look on Youtube at the ADAPT test, I wasn't sure what it was and struggled as it is quite intense, but watching the video will give you a really good idea of what to expect.

[Minotaur12]

cheers guys! can I just ask what did they ask of you on the memory specific tests?

[PilotHamza]

Glad I found this thread, going for my stage 2 assessment soon but couldn't find much on CAE :)

[Logun94]

Can anyone whos done it here give a detailed explination of what to expect amd to share the outcome of thier assesment .Many thanks

[Logun94]

Hi can anyone say if they know if the assessment is negatively marked at CAE ?

[Parky1980]

Hi guys and girls,

Anyone done a CAE stage 2 assessment day recently? Are you allowed a calculator in the maths and physics test, I was in the understanding you could, however an earlier post on here suggested otherwise?

In addition to this does the fixed wing test merely (I say merely, I’m sure it’s still difficult) require you to fly or are there multi tasks, questions popping up etc too?

Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.

[NESUNflyer]

Hi guys and girls,

Anyone done a CAE stage 2 assessment day recently? Are you allowed a calculator in the maths and physics test, I was in the understanding you could, however an earlier post on here suggested otherwise?

In addition to this does the fixed wing test merely (I say merely, I’m sure it’s still difficult) require you to fly or are there multi tasks, questions popping up etc too?

Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.

Good afternoon everybody! Does anyone have information regarding the calculator question as I am wondering the same thing too!? :rolleyes:

[Bimstar]

Hello, did you ever find out the answer? Are you able to use a calculator at any point? Many thanks

[Logun94]

Calculator is allowed for math and physics

[Parky1980]

Mate regarding the example math/physics questions in your post below, I get very similar answers but with different decimals and can’t figure out why.

Did they provide the answers of did you and could you confirm the workings as it’s confusing me, I believe (with all respect given...it’s a very useful post) some of the answers may be slightly wrong?

thanks,

Parky1980



Hi everyone,
I have my 6 selection test next month... if it can help you, the school sent me this :

Some more information about the selection tests:

• You will do the following tests spread over 2 days: English, Physics, ADAPT-test, personality questionnaire, personal interview and BFA (Basic Flying Assessment). The personality questionnaire can be completed at home before the selection test days. You will receive a separate e-mail with a web link a few days before your assessment days.

• The results of your selection tests will be communicated afterwards by e-mail.

• The payment of € 400,00 for the selection process must be done on the first assessment day at our academy itself. You can do this by credit card (Bancontact/Mister Cash, VISA, Vpay, Maestro, and MasterCard), NOT in cash.



Physics test:

This is a written multiple choice test. You are allowed to bring a one line display calculator, with sin, cos and tan… Calculators with memory are not allowed.

These are the important subjects:

• Basic physics sizes (length, mass, angle, t°, volume, speed, acceleration)

• Units (meter, kilogram, second, amps)

• Distance travelled, speed, acceleration

• Weight, mass, density and volume

• Newton’s law, inertia, forces

• Determination of centre of gravity

• Work, energy, power (kinetic energy, pressure energy)

• Thermometric scales: °C, °F, °K

• Pressure, density, t° of a liquid or a gas

• Perfect gases law, Boyle-Mariotte law, Gay-Lussac law, Dalton’s law

• Change of state of a liquid/gas/solid

• Basics of electricity: DC and AC current, tension, equivalent resistance, Ohm

• Basics of magnetism: magnetic field, permanent magnet, lines of flux



Question Example:

• A quantity of gas (p = 3 x 105 Pa, T=300K) is compressed until the half of its initial volume and is heated to 70°C. What is the final gas pressure?

(Answer: P2= 6, 86 105Pa)

• Determine the weight (in Newton) of a sphere that has a volume of 1,1 x 10-7 m3 and a density of 2,7 kg/dm3 (gravitation acceleration: 9.81m/s2)

(Answer: 2, 91x10-3)

• 3 resistances of 5Ω are placed in parallel. Find the value of a unique equivalent resistance.

(Answer: 1.67Ω)



English test:

This is a computer-based test which is focused on general English vocabulary.



Basic Flight Assessment:

This is an aptitude test which evaluates the basic skills required for flying, such as:

• Handling skills

• Multi-tasking

• Co-ordination

It also assesses the learning curve and takes about 30 minutes. No preparation for this test is required.



ADAPT:

This is a computer based testing system which includes the following elements:

• Progressive Maths - Maths questions which get progressively more difficult as the test progresses. Some of the topics covered include algebra, trigonometry, factorising quadratics and Speed/Distance/Time.

• Progressive Physics - Physics questions which get progressively more difficult as the test progresses. Some of the topics covered by the test includes acceleration, relative speed and kinetic energy.

• Cognitive - Assess a wide range of aptitudes including Working Memory, Perceptual Speed & Accuracy and Spatial Relationship Reasoning. This cognitive assessment is designed for Ab Initio candidates.

• FAST - A multi-tasking and learning assessment made up of physical, cognitive and situational elements. The aim for the candidates is to prioritize and manage multiple activities and learn from previous experience to improve future performance.

• Fixed Wing 1&2 - A conceptual flying task which aims to measure co-ordination and accuracy. The test works using a desktop joystick setup to navigate to waypoints around a designated route.

• Co-ordination Assessment - This assessment is designed to test a candidate's hand eye co-ordination and dexterity. Using a joystick the candidate must aim to hold a ball in the center of a target circle whilst it tries to move away from the center.



Personal interview:
Your personal interview will partly be conducted in Dutch or French (if this is your mother tongue) and a part will be in English.

[TobyP21]

How did the assessment go? I’ve got mine on the 29th of March and needless to say quite nervous. I’m trying figure out the best way to prep, any advice would be extremely helpful, thanks!

[Parky1980]

You got a personal email address bud?


How did the assessment go? I’ve got mine on the 29th of March and needless to say quite nervous. I’m trying figure out the best way to prep, any advice would be extremely helpful, thanks!

[Graveney]

Hi all, I have got mine in April 2019 - I've done the test at L3 also, does anyone have any tips of what is covered in the physics syllabus? Also does any one have any advice how to prepare best for fixed wing?

[JackPerry]

I done my Stage 2 ADAPT test in March 2019. Here's what I would tell myself if I could go back in time, or tell someone else about to do it:

Don't be nervous - of course you will be - but everyone will be just as nervous as you!
You DO get a calculator for the maths test and the physics test. If you don't bring your own they give you one. If this is the case, don't wait until the test starts to try it out, find out where all the buttons are that you will need. This sounds like a pointless tip but they gave me a weird calculator that gave answers as fractions and you could only change it to integers and decimals with a very small inconspicuous button.
Use the calculator to your advantage as much as possible. If you are quick, you could try and use it for the numerical reasoning, but as this is measuring reaction time - i'm not recommending this, just throwing the idea out there :)
Take your time with the introductory pages of the test, there are a lot of pages but dont rush!. It's there to help you!. I heard a lot of people clicking through the introductory pages and there was a lot of helpful stuff on there, like specific examples of the questions yiu are about to get asked, and you are not timed on this, so try out the example question, so when the real one comes you are prepared
If you finish a test early, go back and check, you may have submitted a dumb answer! I did. Found it, corrected it. It was asking me to subtract a total fuel amount from an initial amount, NOT give the amount burnt. Go back and check.
They actually give you the equations! Don't pass this one up - write them down, re arrange them solving for different variables, e.g. speed=distance/time / fuel burn rate = fuel burnt / time write these down and solve for all three - so when a question comes just look to what you wrote down and plug in the numbers.
The "FAST" test is hard. No way around this one. Latest Pilot Jobs and PilotAptitudeTest have good practice software, but really you can practice as much as you want but it's about how you do on that day. But don't worry if you don't nail it, the test is to measure your capacity to learn, so you get two tries, I think its more about your ability to learn from what you got wrong on your first try. So without just giving away answers that might change, I'll say - Pay Attention! Nothing is not important enough! like, what the cockpit looks like for example.
The fixed wing assessment is weirdly different from the FAST test you just took. There's no mental quick reaction times and quick thinking, but instead, you have to slowly, calmly keep your plane at a given altitude and a given speed and heading using the joystick and throttle. It's easy to let your mind wonder, so don't get cocky, the speed can get high, your altitude can drift, and you can't trim the plane, so you will have to monitor your very fine inputs on the joystick. Also just because your concentrating on your speed and altitude, make sure you're heading in the right direction... :rolleyes:
We got a chance to speak to a current student and get a tour, but not everyone took it. Dumb idea, take the tour!! Not only was it fun to see the place, we learnt so much about the course and what we might expect, and got to ask any questions we liked. And it did make a difference having a student do it as to not be intimidated. He was great.

Now I have my own question. I took the Stage 2 on Thursday and I am getting a mini-heart attack every time I get some random email... How long till I hear back?!? I'm going nuts!

If anyone has any questions about stage 2, post here I'll try to answer you :)

[EAZY09]

Hi , i have a stage 2 assessment at Oxford in 2 weeks, if you have done it i was wondering how the layout of maths and physics is for example is it 4 option boxes that you have to tick or long answers, i have been preparing this week, i bought the CAE Oxford CBT Maths and Physics books as well as a ADAPT program from LatestpilotJobs for 50£, i have noticed that all my results from ADAPT are above average however I'm stressing out because of Maths and Physics, i know that they are 30min each but do you maybe know all the topics that come up or are they random, because him working my ass off revising the CAE Interactive books of maths and physics and I'm sure that not everything will come up because its just too much. Cheers,

[JackPerry]

Hi , i have a stage 2 assessment at Oxford in 2 weeks, if you have done it i was wondering how the layout of maths and physics is for example is it 4 option boxes that you have to tick or long answers, i have been preparing this week, i bought the CAE Oxford CBT Maths and Physics books as well as a ADAPT program from LatestpilotJobs for 50£, i have noticed that all my results from ADAPT are above average however I'm stressing out because of Maths and Physics, i know that they are 30min each but do you maybe know all the topics that come up or are they random, because him working my ass off revising the CAE Interactive books of maths and physics and I'm sure that not everything will come up because its just too much. Cheers,

Unfortunately that is what makes it so hard - not the subject matter, but the sheer amount of material that could come up. All I can reccomend is revise as much as you can BUT don’t spread your revision too far and too thinly.
The truth is you will likely get ‘good’ and ‘bad’ questions, just do your best so that you can have a good stab at what you’re less familiar on.

Personally I was a little bit annoyed by the fact that out of everything there was about 2 topics covered. I wasted possibly weeks of revision! But I shouldn’t say as I know the tests are changed and I don’t want to mislead you. Just go through the list and do as much as you can.

Whats also important is your mental state. Don’t go in thinking “oh god this is going to be hard” but be confident. Tell yourself you’ve got this.
Its very competitive right now, I heard that they’ve had to up the pass mark!

[saraha05]

How did the assessment go? I’ve got mine on the 29th of March and needless to say quite nervous. I’m trying figure out the best way to prep, any advice would be extremely helpful, thanks!

How did yours go? What was the set up like? How did you prep in the end? Thank you

[LRG10]

Does anybody know who has purchased the maths and physics bundle from CAE what we need to know and what to revise? Thanks

[thecarlitooos]

Does anybody know who has purchased the maths and physics bundle from CAE what we need to know and what to revise? Thanks

I recommend you to revise ALL the topics, maybe the Universe ones can be excluded as I did.
I passed the stage 2 at first attempt 1 week ago, it’s hard but if you prepare well you won’t have any problem.
Maths & Physics questions are easy up to the question 14, where them become harder. Don’t worry about the formulas as they provide them to you.
Regarding FAST, Fixed Wing, and the Ball game just be focussed, maybe I shouldn’t be a reference in that as I have some experience in flight simulator (the best you can do in case that you want to improve your skills in these areas) but they were really really easy for me.
But at all, good luck, read the questions carefully and answer ASAP as they are measuring your speed there.

[LRG10]

Does anybody know what the cognitive test is like in assessment 2? And what should you practise if you have purchased the latest pilot CAE package?

[Aviation dreamer]

Anyone going the 17th April?

[KylanH]

JackPerry;

Hi Jack,
I've got my stage 2 coming up soon and I'm just trying to prepare for it now. From the email I got from CAE, my understanding is that everything is computer based during the Stage 2. Is this correct?

Also, the email says that Maths & Physics is tested in ADAPT but does not mention a Numerical reasoning section. So I was wondering if you could shed some light on that for me. From what I understand, you are tested on the following:

• Personality Questionnaire
• Mathematics
• Physics
• Cognitive
• FAST
• Fixed Wing
• Ball Game

Finally, I've read on another thread that you're not allowed a calculator, so I'm thinking it may have changed recently.

Thanks.

[Logun94]

You ARE allowed a calculator

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[JackPerry]

Couple of points based on the above posts.

Firstly, In my Stage 2 I was allowed a calculator, they gave me one. Even though the instructions said do not use one.
In my Stage 3 that included a resit of the same physics test, they said no calculators allowed. If there is a logic to this it's beyond me.

Regarding the ADAPT tests, apart from the CAE maths and physics CBT products on their website, which is absolutely worth the money and will help you prepare (and in all honesty, I'm a science guy so I quite enjoyed watching the videos) I would say that it is not terribly productive to spend time trying to prepare for the other ADAPT assessments. That is to say -- though i did use Pilot Aptitude Test and Latest Pilot Jobs, and though they did offer a reasonable representation of the ADAPT elements, they didn't really offer any preparation beyond the observation that "oh I recognise this!". The "ball game" is based on your ability to manage hand eye coordination, the FAST test designed to test your situational awareness. Much of the variables in these "in the moment" type tests are established as you are doing the test. What I'm saying is that you ARE expected to prepare for a physics exam, but you aren't really expected to prepare for an ab initio pilot aptitude test - they're just not designed that way.
But this is in no way to discourage people from preparing as best they can with the products available, I just think ones performance on these tests are based on a natural aptitude, as the name would suggest. Rather than the month or two I practiced the "Ball game recreation"

[KylanH]

I do hope you can use a calculator, although I'm thinking it may have recently changed.

Jack, when did you take your stage 2?

[JackPerry]

I do hope you can use a calculator, although I'm thinking it may have recently changed.

Jack, when did you take your stage 2?

I think the calculator should be allowed. Not because the questions really demand one, you're not doing triganometry (allthough possibly pythagoras), but the calculator only helps get you a figure based on the logic, equation manipulation, and firm understanding of the question, so if you can't grasp the question the calculators useless anyway.

Kylan, I did my stage 2 in March, then stage 3 in June. It's possible that the no-calculator rule is a policy of resits. I was taking my physics test along with other stage 2-ers and I don't know if they were also disallowed. But hey I passed without it and had to resit WITH it, so who knows? But mental maths will always be handy, so that's a good skill to work on. Good luck pal

[yap800]

For the ball game test how does the stick mechanic work - does it use twist or move the stick side to side?

Also does the up move down and down move up

Somebody respond please

[KylanH]

Hi all,

I've very recently attended a Stage 2 assessment at CAE's Oxford Academy and therefore I'm going to put in my two-penny worth.

Firstly, it is difficult. There's no point in lying, but remember, that's the entire point. My biggest piece of advice for anyone who has their Stage 2 coming up is to relax. That doesn't mean don't put any work in revising, but do not beat yourself up if you don't succeed. Remember, you're very fortunate that you're pursuing the aviation industry as there's so many routes to the cockpit, there's a million-and-one ways to achieve your dream. Do not put pressure on yourself while you're in there, thinking that this is your only opportunity to become a pilot. Ultimately, that will only hinder your performance.

Of course, if you're completely laid back and take no time to revise and prepare I wouldn’t expect to get too far. Complacency is dangerous in the aviation game. Remember, a little nerves is a good thing!

Progressive Maths & Physics

As you all know, 20 questions in 30 minutes, getting progressively harder.

Now to answer the calculator conundrum. You are NOT allowed to use a calculator at any point during the Stage 2 assessment, sorry! Now, as we know people have been able to use calculators in the past. If the questions were any different or not, I do not know. From what I've heard speaking to people who were allowed to use a calculator, my guess is that the questions are of similar difficulty as they were before. I can only assume CAE has changed their expectations of candidates to keep inline with the change.

I don't think that the questions were that hard to warrant the use of a calculator, although there were some calculations that were a little tricky. Personally, I found that your mental arithmetic was tested at other points throughout the tests anyway. Therefore, I think it would be better to have harder questions and allow the use of a calculator. This way you're testing a candidates deeper understanding and ability to apply themselves on these subjects.

Cognitive Tests

This section I personally found hardest to prepare for. Wether or not you can improve through practice is a different discussion entirely. But by using software such as SkyTest (Pan Asia), you can familiarise yourself with the type of questions they may ask.

FAST

Keep your eyes moving! Don't concentrate one one thing, you need to split your attention. Strangely, I quite enjoyed doing this one. I found that it made me feel as though I'm driving and in some way, I can see the relation. Looking outside at the road ahead, looking at the car in front, reading road signs as they fly by, followed by a quick scan down at the speedometer, look back outside, check the sat-nav, whilst listening to a podcast and changing gear! If you're already in the habit of splitting your attention through something like driving, then I think you'll find that experience definitely helps.

There is an activity on SkyTest (Pan Asia) that is quite similar to the FAST test which I found very helpful to prepare with.

Fixed Wing

If you, like me, have spent countless hours playing flight simulators, then I wouldn't worry too much. Just follow the instructions.

My biggest point, take it easy on the controls. They're very sensitive. Little and smooth movements is what you're looking for. If you start over-correcting you're going to end up with a case of Pilot-Induced Oscillation.

Ball Game

This one caught me off guard, much trickier than expected. Requires lots of concentration, don't let your mind slip!

yap800, you use the forward and back axis of the joystick and you're absolutely correct, both axes are inverted and you use the twist axis to move the ball left and right.

Good luck all!

[Flyinghigh54674]

Does anyone recommend the Latest pilot jobs prep for CAE? Or sky test?
Many advice on verbal reasoning?

[sms8]

If your not allowed a calculator are you allowed a pen and paper to do some working out?

[Flyinghigh54674]

I physically have no idea how they can expect us to not be allowed a calculator if we’ll be expected to do formulas such as SOH CAH TOA and velocity formulas. I studied A level Maths and wouldn’t have an idea how to do it. Are your sure there isn’t simply a calculator and non calculator paper?

[sms8]

think they'll will for that sort of stuff , but for mental arithmetic it'll be pen and paper or at least I hope so cause it would seem near impossible to do otherwise, judging by there prep software mock questions.

[KylanH]

Does anyone recommend the Latest pilot jobs prep for CAE? Or sky test?
Many advice on verbal reasoning?


I used SkyTest for pan-asian pilots to prepare for the FAST test and the cognitive tests. The mock FAST test was actually quite similar to the real thing.

As of my test 3 weeks ago, no calculators were allowed at any point but they're not necessary for the questions asked. You are however, given a pen & paper.

[sms8]

Thanks for clarifying the pen and paper thing, Ive booked my first assessment for December, what happens on Level 2 assessment day? Do we do any of the group exercises? Whats the verbal reasoning thats mentioned is that the personality quiz? Haven't seen anything mentioned on CAE.


I used SkyTest for pan-asian pilots to prepare for the FAST test and the cognitive tests. The mock FAST test was actually quite similar to the real thing.

As of my test 3 weeks ago, no calculators were allowed at any point but they're not necessary for the questions asked. You are however, given a pen & paper.

[Skydrakez]

Thanks for clarifying the pen and paper thing, Ive booked my first assessment for December, what happens on Level 2 assessment day? Do we do any of the group exercises? Whats the verbal reasoning thats mentioned is that the personality quiz? Haven't seen anything mentioned on CAE.




My stage 2 assessment was just an interview (motivation, examples of some basic skills they require from you) They send you a pretty detailed file on what to expect, but there was no group exercise for me (integrated atpl)

[sms8]

ok brilliant, should get that soon then... are you starting/started training with them?

[Skydrakez]

I should start in November but I'm still sorting some things out (loan :D )

[sms8]

Good luck , another huge obstacle is £££I should start in November but I'm still sorting some things out (loan :D )

[Skydrakez]

Good luck , another huge obstacle is £££

Yeah I hope it all goes well. Good luck to you too for the test!

[sms8]

P.s maybe a silly question but what should one wear? Full on suit, or Shirt, shoes, trousers and tie ? Assume jeans wont cut it lol


I should start in November but I'm still sorting some things out (loan :D )

[Skydrakez]

P.s maybe a silly question but what should one wear? Full on suit, or Shirt, shoes, trousers and tie ? Assume jeans wont cut it lol




Full on suit, everyone has one and I'm not sure but I THINK they actually ask a business attire.

[sms8]

Thought so I'll leave the nike tracksuit at home then :)

[AlexWiccs]

Heya guys got my phase 2 in November! Can anyone tell me if the maths and physics is multiple choice? Or do you write the answer into a box and submit?

Thank you

[sms8]

Think maths is a box and physics is multiple choice, but haven’t done it yet so someone else may be able to confirm.

[Logun94]

It's multiple choice and your allowed a calculator ...practice lots of speed distance time questions

[sms8]

It's multiple choice and your allowed a calculator ...practice lots of speed distance time questions

when did you do your test, I’d find it surprising if they give you a calculator? ... I hope they do LOL

[sms8]

Just checked my ADAPT handbook they sent, for the maths section it states clearly NO CALCULATOR is allowed and the following topics are covered

3.3 Topics Covered
3.3.1 Progressive
• Speed/Distance/Time
• Calculating Fuel Rate
• Basic Pythagoras
3.4 Formulas
Below is not an all-inclusive list; familiarising yourself with the topics outlined above should ensure you are aware of all the relevant formulas, including:
• Speed = Distance / Time
• Cosine and Sine rules
• Pythagoras’s theorem: c2 = a2 + b2
• Angles in a triangle add up to 180°
• Trigonometry ratios

[LanceHudson]

I've just passed stage 2 and indeed there are NO calculators. It is all multi-choice for maths and physics. Don't worry, though, you don't have to deal with any nasties such as sin, cos & tan. Just multiplication/division (which you have a pen and paper for).

[sms8]

I've just passed stage 2 and indeed there are NO calculators. It is all multi-choice for maths and physics. Don't worry, though, you don't have to deal with any nasties such as sin, cos & tan. Just multiplication/division (which you have a pen and paper for).

multi choice for maths should help, how did you find it challenging or simple ? So the maths where just multiply and divide questions? Assume there was numerical reasoning/maths problems ? What about algebra, percentages?

thanks swale

[LanceHudson]

multi choice for maths should help, how did you find it challenging or simple ? So the maths where just multiply and divide questions? Assume there was numerical reasoning/maths problems ? What about algebra, percentages?

thanks swale

Hi Swale,

I’m not going to lie: I did find the questions fairly challenging, especially towards the end (questions 16-20 are the highest scoring). You are, in my opinion, given plenty of time though. So skip the ones you can’t do and come back to them at the end. My best advice would be to use BBC Bitesize GSCE Maths & Physics. This is what I did and it did help me remember the maths I did all those many years ago!

I know you can buy a CAE bundle for £40 or so, but I didn’t use it as it seems unnecessary. But I’m sure it’s helpful if you do decide to buy it.
Yeah there was also basic algebra and percentages.

Good luck! Any other Q’s give me a shout.

[AlexWiccs]

Hi Swale,

I’m not going to lie: I did find the questions fairly challenging, especially towards the end (questions 16-20 are the highest scoring). You are, in my opinion, given plenty of time though. So skip the ones you can’t do and come back to them at the end. My best advice would be to use BBC Bitesize GSCE Maths & Physics. This is what I did and it did help me remember the maths I did all those many years ago!

I know you can buy a CAE bundle for £40 or so, but I didn’t use it as it seems unnecessary. But I’m sure it’s helpful if you do decide to buy it.
Yeah there was also basic algebra and percentages.

Good luck! Any other Q’s give me a shout.

I don't suppose you could give an example of the questions which come up? If you can remember :) Thanks

[DIaero]

I just did my Stage 2 and so I can give those in need some feedback as well.
The maths are quite easy, you have 30min and 20 questions, becoming progressively more difficult and I suggest to start with the difficult ones because they take longer to solve, not because they are too difficult but because without a calculator you have to do all the maths step by step, and they are worth way more, also the easy and medium ones are really basic. The questions are 95% about time and distance and 2 or 3 about bearings and trigonometry.

The last math problem I remember to be like this: A plane flies 1970 miles from point A to point B, at an average speed of 460mph. The fuel rate is 30 lbs/min. In Kg how much fuel is used during the flight?

The physics are even easier I think, I finished in less than 20min. Practice Newton's equations of motion, levers and weight distribution, basic circuitry, adding resistors in parallel, springs in parallel too, Boyle's law for the last one (most difficult). They involve straight forward calculations, no need to deduct or anything.

The last one as I remember is: A volume of gas starts at a pressure of 30atm and a temperature of 59ºC. If the pressure is increased by 2atm and the volume of the gas remains constant, what is the new temperature? Remember that in this formula you have to use the temperature in kelvin and then in the end convert it to Celsius.

The cognitive part is composed of 38 exercises and it's exactly like it says in the document they send you to prepare for the test. It's easy, don't have to practice much but if you want, I bought the Skytest software and it was very close to what it came out in the exam.

The Red Dot test is a bit tricky and I didn't practice this one but you have a couple seconds before the test to try it out and get used to the joystick. You pull towards you for the ball to go up and push forward for it to go down. You have to twist it right and left for it to go sideways. You have to keep the ball centred for 4 min, you need to focus a bit one this one.

The FAST exercise was more challenging than I expected because I was practicing the one on Skytest which is not complete, it doesn't test all the aspects like in the test. You will be instructed before it starts you will have 2 attempts for this one. You have to manage a lot of things in a short period of time and it's quite hard to do it all so you have to divide you attention. You have to fly the crash course, answer questions (even though basic they are a lot and come at the same time as the ATC is telling you stuff), you have to remember what the cockpit looks like, how many different voices did you hear, how many beeps, how many planes you saw, info about the waypoints, etc.

Finally, the Fixed Wing is the one I think I failed, wasn't so difficult but I cut corners by distraction. You are given a certain route to fly with specific values for speed, altitude and heading and you have to go through all the waypoints.

You can take as many breaks as you want between tests and as long as you want them to be so that's cool, helps you relax.
Hope this can be useful.

[sonacabon]

Hello everyone, does anyone know after how long the the stage 2 results come out?
Thanks

[sonacabon]

DIaero;

I heard you’re allowed one line calculators, is that correct? Or you’re not allowed anything at all?
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[cloud_surfing]

Results are out usually after 2-3 weeks.
No calculators are allowed in the maths or physics tests. They did allow it at the start of the year however they changed the rules back in April this year (confirmed by someone who works at CAE at PCL)
Good luck!

[PPRuNeUser0185]

Results are out usually after 2-3 weeks.
No calculators are allowed in the maths or physics tests. They did allow it at the start of the year however they changed the rules back in April this year (confirmed by someone who works at CAE at PCL)
Good luck!
Do you know if they still provide the maths and physics formulas?

[I KINA]

I've just passed stage 2 and indeed there are NO calculators. It is all multi-choice for maths and physics. Don't worry, though, you don't have to deal with any nasties such as sin, cos & tan. Just multiplication/division (which you have a pen and paper for).

Hello,

Is it realistic this type of questions "A plane flies 1970 miles from point A to point B, at an average speed of 460mph. The fuel rate is 30 lbs/min. In Kg how much fuel is used during the flight?" because in my opinion, this one is quite difficult to solve without a calculator.

[LanceHudson]

Do you know if they still provide the maths and physics formulas?

Yeah most of them are provided for you. The ones that aren't are from GCSE Physics, and not too hard to remember.

[LanceHudson]

Hello,

Is it realistic this type of questions "A plane flies 1970 miles from point A to point B, at an average speed of 460mph. The fuel rate is 30 lbs/min. In Kg how much fuel is used during the flight?" because in my opinion, this one is quite difficult to solve without a calculator.

Yeah this sort of question is asked, however with easier numbers. E.g aircraft flies 900 miles at 300 mph. Fuel 30lbs/min.

Can just work it out as 3 hours = 180 mins. 180*30 = (can do it 18x3 = 54 * 100 = 5400) and given that roughly 1lb = 0.5kg, 5400/2 = 2700Kg.

These types of question are all multiple choice, so even doing some rounding in the calculation will point to the correct answer. As I remember, the wrong answers were fairly obvious...

[PPRuNeUser0185]

Can anyone elaborate on what to expect in the cognitive part of the assessment? Do they test maths and physics again in this as well?

[I KINA]

Yeah this sort of question is asked, however with easier numbers. E.g aircraft flies 900 miles at 300 mph. Fuel 30lbs/min.

Can just work it out as 3 hours = 180 mins. 180*30 = (can do it 18x3 = 54 * 100 = 5400) and given that roughly 1lb = 0.5kg, 5400/2 = 2700Kg.

These types of question are all multiple choice, so even doing some rounding in the calculation will point to the correct answer. As I remember, the wrong answers were fairly obvious...


Thank you so much for the answer LenceHudson.

How many questions will involve calculation about Fuel, Distance, Speed or Time?

Is It true that in physics test formulae are provided?

Are there questions with basic math as percentage, equations, division or multiplications?

[PPRuNeUser0185]

Thank you so much for the answer LenceHudson.

How many questions will involve calculation about Fuel, Distance, Speed or Time?

Is It true that in physics test formulae are provided?

Are there questions with basic math as percentage, equations, division or multiplications?
I just did my stage 2. I can say that the vast majority of the maths questions were S-D-T, so make sure you brush up on them.

Physics and maths formulas are provided.

I didn't get any questions as basic as that, but they did involve multiplication and division to work out. I didn't get any on percentages.

I will warn you that the FAST test is difficult, so make sure you give your full focus and attention when doing that.

Good luck!

[I KINA]

I just did my stage 2. I can say that the vast majority of the maths questions were S-D-T, so make sure you brush up on them.

Physics and maths formulas are provided.

I didn't get any questions as basic as that, but they did involve multiplication and division to work out. I didn't get any on percentages.

I will warn you that the FAST test is difficult, so make sure you give your full focus and attention when doing that.

Good luck!


Hello LeoBruce,

What software did you use for the preparation?

[PPRuNeUser0185]

Hello LeoBruce,

What software did you use for the preparation?
Good old BBC Bitesize for maths and physics!

I also used SkyTest for the FAST, but I will say that the CAE FAST is much more difficult than the SkyTest one.

[I KINA]

Good old BBC Bitesize for maths and physics!

I also used SkyTest for the FAST, but I will say that the CAE FAST is much more difficult than the SkyTest one.

Is there only Fast in SkyTest? C'mon It costs 80 euro!

Where did you train for Co-ordination and Control, Cognitive and Fixed Wing?

Do you know the results of the assessment?

[sms8]

Can you confirm whether calculators where allowed or were the S-D-T questions doable without one?

Did you wear a suit for the assessment? Hearing we should, can you confirm.

I just did my stage 2. I can say that the vast majority of the maths questions were S-D-T, so make sure you brush up on them.

Physics and maths formulas are provided.

I didn't get any questions as basic as that, but they did involve multiplication and division to work out. I didn't get any on percentages.

I will warn you that the FAST test is difficult, so make sure you give your full focus and attention when doing that.

Good luck!

[PPRuNeUser0185]

Can you confirm whether calculators where allowed or were the S-D-T questions doable without one?

Did you wear a suit for the assessment? Hearing we should, can you confirm.



S-D-T questions were very much doable without calculator. Just make sure you know how to multiply and divide efficiently.

Yes, business attire is recommended. We all wore suits.

[sms8]

Awesome thanks, will put greater emphasis on s-d-t stuff Ive been working on a bit of everything for some time...with no calculator I take it no trigonometry?

how long before you get put out of your misery of whether you’ve passed or not, any ideas.

p.s did plan on wearing a suit but didn’t want to look a over dressed wally :)

S-D-T questions were very much doable without calculator. Just make sure you know how to multiply and divide efficiently.

Yes, business attire is recommended. We all wore suits.

[PPRuNeUser0185]

Awesome thanks, will put greater emphasis on s-d-t stuff Ive been working on a bit of everything for some time...with no calculator I take it no trigonometry?

how long before you get put out of your misery of whether you’ve passed or not, any ideas.

p.s did plan on wearing a suit but didn’t want to look a over dressed wally :)



No worries!

I'm not too sure, they said a week maximum, but usually can be the next day. Today is the next day... and i've been checking my emails constantly! Still nothing yet!

Best of luck!

[sms8]

Thank you, and fingers crossed you get a positive result.



No worries!

I'm not too sure, they said a week maximum, but usually can be the next day. Today is the next day... and i've been checking my emails constantly! Still nothing yet!

Best of luck!

[Wroclaw]

No worries!

I'm not too sure, they said a week maximum, but usually can be the next day. Today is the next day... and i've been checking my emails constantly! Still nothing yet!

Best of luck!

You made the assessment during the morning or during the afternoon ?

[PPRuNeUser0185]

You made the assessment during the morning or during the afternoon ?
I did it in the afternoon.

[Wroclaw]

I did it in the afternoon.

I did in the morning, but no answer yet

[Simod4]

Hi Everyone
I might do the stage 2 during January 2020,so I've read and seen many thing about ADAPT test, and I think that I understood the majority of the test...but I didn't understand in what consist the cognitive test .I just know that it is going to be a reasoning test, however could someone say me what is it in particular?
thank u so much!

[sms8]

Hi so from memory cognitive was a long list of challenges broken in multiple parts of about 5 or 6 questions each they include memory either remembering auditory given code, visual memory of shapes colours or numbers, map like / direction challenges, two planes on a radar the question being where will they collide, then you get the dreaded visual reasoning where you will have to identify the shape that is odd one out or matches the group, number sequences although some I had appeared to have no number pattern but the edges where all a bit different so be perceptive cant really do a lot to prepare for these I would highly recommend getting very good with Speed distance time problems + fuel burn, some pythagoras and trigonometry is also needed as these are higher scoring questions.

subscribe to latestpilotjobs.com so you can practice some of the areas like ball game(get joystick) and the fast tests and flight sim its not all the same its much tougher in real life but it’ll help, the physics and maths aren’t great but maths will help to make you sharper with mental arithmetic if your not already and the physics might help but there isn’t really enough variety. Best of luck


Hi Everyone
I might do the stage 2 during January 2020,so I've read and seen many thing about ADAPT test, and I think that I understood the majority of the test...but I didn't understand in what consist the cognitive test .I just know that it is going to be a reasoning test, however could someone say me what is it in particular?
thank u so much!

[Simod4]

Ok Swale thank you so much

[sms8]

p.s and to clarify no calculator is allowed the questions are designed to be doable without albeit some are more challenging (worth more marks) !!!!!

[Clarkman]

Has anyone found out how they got on with the easyjet assessment?

[Simod4]

Hi Guys
someone know a site where I can find some problem with fuel,like fuel burn and this stuff

thank you

[sms8]

Check out skytest

[Simod4]

Hi guys I did my 2 stage one week ago but for sure I didn’t pass...
anyway here there are some notes that I wrote after finished it that may help you.Progressive MATH



-Speed distance time (easy)

-speed distance time + Fuel usage

-REFU + space distance

-headings Calculation

-1mile=1 .6 km

-1kg=2,2ibs

(You must know and be really fast with s=d/t)

You have 30 min and 20 questions



Progressive PHYSICS



-acceleration (easy)

-electric circuits (very easy) overall resistance

-levers all tipe (one problem)

-Bernoulli ( one question)

-Universe (eclissi)

-Definition of velocity (one question)

-gas law (one problem)

-magnetism (one question, unlike doesn’t attract..really easy)

-P1/t1 = p2/t2

-Ohm laws

You’ve 30 min and 20 questions









COGNITIVE



Maths

-percentage all type

-conversion (PSI to ATM)

-speed,distance and time

-equation with X (simple)

Then you will find other 25 questions

about cognitive topics



You have 30 min and 30 question but I’m not really sure...



FAST



6 personality test at the biginnig



The fast is done 2 times and is always the same route





Was hard understanding the name of way point and also is difficult to see it into the ground (low graphic)



Percentage 15% of 600 ... crazy

Cube (one question)

Cube rotate with x (one question)

3+(4 x 8 )

Remember the sequence (2 times)

Complete the sequence (low numbers)



At the end 12 question with 12 second for each

-Name of waypoint ?

-How many bip did you hear ?

-How many aircrafts did you see?

-Where the helicopter was located ? (Remember and find the Helicopter in a map,4 opinions)



BALL GAME



Really difficult

Twisted the joystick to move the ball left and right







FLIGHT SIMULATOR



Was difficult maintain the altitude and speed (the same for all the time)



Fly 4 waypoints



I wasn’t able to find the 4 waypoint.

Follow a route to Nord Est with 4 waypoints and the third is an airport

Maintain 200 kts 2000ft all the mission

[C.luc]

Anyone know what the controls are? I've been practicing with the twist axis reversed so when i twist left the ball goes right etc
Additionally pushing the stick forward made the ball move down. But does anyone know for sure? It would be of great help!

[sms8]

Anyone know what the controls are? I've been practicing with the twist axis reversed so when i twist left the ball goes right etc
Additionally pushing the stick forward made the ball move down. But does anyone know for sure? It would be of great help!

you are practicing with controls the correct way.

[Alejandro9]

During the mathematics and physics tests, can we use pen and paper to take notes ?

[sms8]

During the mathematics and physics tests, can we use pen and paper to take notes ?

yes you are provided paper

[Alejandro9]

yes you are provided paper

Thank your for your reply.

[Simod4]

You can’t use the calculator,just paper.
they will give you a formula sheet with maths and electronic formulas,by the way I didn’t find all the formula that I needed. I remember that the last physic’s problem was about Gas (temperature and pressure) but there weren’t formulas about that topic.

[Simod4]

For the ball game, if you pull the Joystick forward the ball move down and if you move the joystick backward the ball goes up

[Alejandro9]

For the ball game, the joystick to move the ball left / right and up / down are both twisted or only left / right ?

Thank you very much

[Simod4]

No it is twisted just for left and right

[Alejandro9]

No it is twisted just for left and right

Thanks Simod4

[Clarkman]

Hi guys I did my 2 stage one week ago but for sure I didn’t pass...
anyway here there are some notes that I wrote after finished it that may help you.Progressive MATH



-Speed distance time (easy)

-speed distance time + Fuel usage

-REFU + space distance

-headings Calculation

-1mile=1 .6 km

-1kg=2,2ibs

(You must know and be really fast with s=d/t)

You have 30 min and 20 questions



Progressive PHYSICS



-acceleration (easy)

-electric circuits (very easy) overall resistance

-levers all tipe (one problem)

-Bernoulli ( one question)

-Universe (eclissi)

-Definition of velocity (one question)

-gas law (one problem)

-magnetism (one question, unlike doesn’t attract..really easy)

-P1/t1 = p2/t2

-Ohm laws

You’ve 30 min and 20 questions









COGNITIVE



Maths

-percentage all type

-conversion (PSI to ATM)

-speed,distance and time

-equation with X (simple)

Then you will find other 25 questions

about cognitive topics



You have 30 min and 30 question but I’m not really sure...



FAST



6 personality test at the biginnig



The fast is done 2 times and is always the same route





Was hard understanding the name of way point and also is difficult to see it into the ground (low graphic)



Percentage 15% of 600 ... crazy

Cube (one question)

Cube rotate with x (one question)

3+(4 x 8 )

Remember the sequence (2 times)

Complete the sequence (low numbers)



At the end 12 question with 12 second for each

-Name of waypoint ?

-How many bip did you hear ?

-How many aircrafts did you see?

-Where the helicopter was located ? (Remember and find the Helicopter in a map,4 opinions)



BALL GAME



Really difficult

Twisted the joystick to move the ball left and right







FLIGHT SIMULATOR



Was difficult maintain the altitude and speed (the same for all the time)


Fly 4 waypoints


I wasn’t able to find the 4 waypoint.

Follow a route to Nord Est with 4 waypoints and the third is an airport

Maintain 200 kts 2000ft all the mission

Did you find out your outcome ?

[Clarkman]

Hi everyone, I recently sat the assessment, I found the fixed wing part most difficult. How did you work out the heading controls, as I couldn’t get my head around this ?

[Alejandro9]

Hii everybody,

Inhave a question about the ball test. Currently I’m training on latestpilotjob with a joystick and for the red ball test to turn left/rigt we must use the Z axe and not turn the joystick to the left/right normally. During the CAE test it will be the same ? We must turn with the Z axe ?

thank you.

[sms8]

Hii everybody,

Inhave a question about the ball test. Currently I’m training on latestpilotjob with a joystick and for the red ball test to turn left/rigt we must use the Z axe and not turn the joystick to the left/right normally. During the CAE test it will be the same ? We must turn with the Z axe ?

thank you.

yes ,in reverse

[Phillip121]

As a recent graduate of CAE, I give you all a word of warning.
You will be meaningless to them.

Management is hell-bent on maximizing 'efficiency' and cutting costs wherever possible, even down to the point of buying charity shop equivalent marker pens which would break mid-lesson while the instructors were using them.
If they are cutting costs to this extent, you can only imagine how they are cutting costs elsewhere.

Management has been taking an extreme surplus of students for years, and are only now beginning to see that they simply do not have the resources to cope. Phoenix is completely crammed, and management's solution to this was to double the number of cadets placed into one apartment so that they could continue to maximize the number of students they could push through the system. They did not account for aircraft numbers, however, and the delays in Phoenix are extreme due to the fact there are simply not enough resources.

Due to the extreme surplus of students, there are currently 80+ students in the graduate pool and this number is increasing each week. With CAE currently having zero partnered schemes which are taking cadets, all graduates are left to their own devices when it comes to finding work. I chose an integrated program because of the graduate opportunities I thought would be available. With zero opportunities available through CAE, I regret not saving a huge amount of money and choosing a modular path.

The entirety of my training was poor with zero thought given to the student. The vast majority of cadets agree with my sediments, however we are all scared to voice our opinions due to the belief that CAE would limit our job opportunities if we were to do such. With zero opportunities now available, my absolute disgust has reached its peak.

Please stay away from CAE.

Regards,

Philip