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Jet II
15th Dec 2017, 04:16
I'll bet its not as much as the BBC.

I'm all for disabled people being able to to be reporters, the guy who is in a wheelchair who does the security reports is excellent as is the blind guy who seems to concentrate on stories affecting the disabled (why?).

But sorry - this latest effort from the BBC is just too much. Why do you need to make a report about Brexit done by a disabled girl look like like a story for 5 year olds - dont the BBC think she can do an adult report on a serious subject?

BBC (http://www.bbc.com/news/av/embed/p05r0ys5/42362507)

BehindBlueEyes
15th Dec 2017, 07:07
It’s the “special needs” thing again - a bit like this other BBC report from yesterday:

Primary league tables: Special-needs pupils struggle with new tests - BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-42353456)

Surely, the whole label of “special needs” explains why these children aren’t achieving in tests, otherwise they wouldn’t be...special needs???

Why do we keep pretending that they’re not different? They have different requirements and need different treatment. In my school, I feel desperately sorry that these children because every day further emphasises and reinforces to them the gap between them and mainstream pupils. I agree that it’s patronising and insulting too, every single one of us has strengths and weaknesses, I can’t kid myself I’m clever enough to be a brain surgeon or fit enough to win Wimbledon but I don’t expect society to give me a “bye” because of it.

A conversation I had many years ago with an SEN lad always sticks in my mind. He said he was really pleased to be leaving to go to a specialist facility as he was hated feeling like the odd one out. At his new school, there would be others like him and he wouldn’t be fussed over and treated like an ornament.

Mr Optimistic
15th Dec 2017, 07:17
Owing to advancing grumpiness I have had to take defensive action so I don't watch the BBC news or anything political ( seems everything gets a political slant in these tendencious days). After all, when you have consumed the news are you really any the wiser, do you actually understand the real complexities and constraints, do you believe you have been given facts, and all the facts, by a disinterested impartial observer?

Deprived of an audience, perhaps they could just shut up.

B Fraser
15th Dec 2017, 07:20
There's a coloured chap in a wheelchair who does an excellent job of appearing on those public funded exotic holidays, sorry, serious pieces of investigative journalism (not) in distant countries. He does a good job although the programmes are of little value. The girl commenting on Brexit did a fair job in the circumstances although the BBC felt it necessary to provide subtitles. If someone cannot communicate effectively then sorry, it's not the job for you. I did a couple of screen tests for the Beeb and other candidates were better in their eyes so fair's fair. I don't think they wanted to risk a gruff Scotsman telling the country that the weather was going to be pish that day.

Anyway, back to the plot. Why don't they let someone with a stammer commentate on the horse racing ? It could be absolutely brilliant. Snooker should have a colour blind commentator too ! It would be compulsive viewing. "He's snookered by the brown ball and can't see the brown which is behind the other two browns."

treadigraph
15th Dec 2017, 07:56
I don't think they wanted to risk a gruff Scotsman telling the country that the weather was going to be pish that day

Quite right, having a gorgeous smiling Scotswoman telling you the weather is going to be pish is a much better way of breaking bad news.

ShyTorque
15th Dec 2017, 08:07
If you mean the lovely Carol K, I often realise I hadn't actually listened to the weather forecast....

goudie
15th Dec 2017, 08:14
That's 'cos you've turned the sound off, as I do with Nigella!

TURIN
15th Dec 2017, 08:24
But sorry - this latest effort from the BBC is just too much. Why do you need to make a report about Brexit done by a disabled girl look like like a story for 5 year olds - dont the BBC think she can do an adult report on a serious subject?

I'm guessing its aimed at the younger viewer. Where did you find it?

Much like this....note the accent. :E

Find out the latest news on Brexit - CBBC Newsround (http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/42287474)

Why do we keep pretending that they’re not different? They have different requirements and need different treatment. In my school, I feel desperately sorry that these children because every day further emphasises and reinforces to them the gap between them and mainstream pupils.

Who is pretending that they are not different. Certainly no one I know. My daughters primary school takes in special needs kids, they are treated with dignity by the teachers and others kids alike. The kids grow up knowing not to be scared of people who are 'different'. Unlike in my day when most kids just took the p1zz out of the disabled and anyone 'different'.

The grumpy old men of JB may not like it but the world is changing. Get used to it.

TURIN
15th Dec 2017, 08:41
Snooker should have a colour blind commentator too ! It would be compulsive viewing. "He's snookered by the brown ball and can't see the brown which is behind the other two browns."

I think that ship has sailed.

This led to the infamously unhelpful quote from commentator Ted Lowe, who said: "Steve is going for the pink ball - and for those of you who are watching in black and white, the pink is next to the green."

Yamagata ken
15th Dec 2017, 12:27
@Goudie. Nigella "never weighed or measured anything." Yum. I'm of the kind that likes women to look like females rather than skinny underfed schoolboys.

RedhillPhil
15th Dec 2017, 12:40
@Goudie. Nigella "never weighed or measured anything." Yum. I'm of the kind that likes women to look like females rather than skinny underfed schoolboys.


You've obviously not seen the new skinny Nigella who - she'd have us believe - eats all of that calorie laden stuff that she cooks.
Simpering cookery fraud.
Going off topic now - but this is PPRUNE.

Jet II
15th Dec 2017, 13:38
I'm guessing its aimed at the younger viewer. Where did you find it?


I'm not sure that there are many 5 year olds interested in Brexit. But it was on the main BBC News website in their report on Mays trip yesterday - hardly compulsive viewing for children.

Laarbruch72
15th Dec 2017, 14:03
If the BBC piece annoys you, make sure you don't watch Channel 4 during any of their disability programmes... they had a deaf continuity announcer on last night in the segments either side of an excellent programme about a deaf lad with a new cochlear implant. The announcer's speech understandably wasn't perfect... and I expect that would have had some of the usual JB grumpy old men screaming at nurse for the meds to be turned up.

I'm glad they gave the guy a chance, and I think it's good to challenge these boundaries that were arbitrarily set many years ago.

Andy_S
15th Dec 2017, 14:11
I'm glad they gave the guy a chance, and I think it's good to challenge these boundaries that were arbitrarily set many years ago.

I think there's a good argument for disabled programming to be made and / or presented by disabled people.

But when it comes to mainstream programming, surely the broadcasters should be considering who is best suited to the job rather than simply box ticking?

Jet II
15th Dec 2017, 14:14
I think there's a good argument for disabled programming to be made and / or presented by disabled people.

But when it comes to mainstream programming, surely the broadcasters should be considering who is best suited to the job rather than simply box ticking?

I cant remember his name but the BBC used to have a blind reporter who did a lot of reports on disability issues - surely if he was good enough to do a report on that subject he was good enough to do one on Foreign relations or Defense?

And if he wasnt good enough why was the BBC treating articles about the disabled as less important?

G-CPTN
15th Dec 2017, 14:30
Peter White (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_White_(broadcaster)).

finfly1
15th Dec 2017, 15:08
"The grumpy old men of JB may not like it but the world is changing. Get used to it. "

Yes, but nobody but a complete fool believes that all change is good.

Grumpy Old Men, unlike their detractors, know first hand how much better many aspects of society were fifty years ago. Their challengers have ALL their "knowledge" of that period second-hand or worse.

Laarbruch72
15th Dec 2017, 15:14
Grumpy Old Men, unlike their detractors, know first hand how much better many aspects of society were fifty years ago.

And they'd never view that period through rose tinted spectacles would they, subconciously erasing all that was bad about an era. ;-)

Tankertrashnav
15th Dec 2017, 16:31
I often listen to In Touch presented by Peter White, even though I have no problems with my vision, nor have any of my family - its just an interesting well-presented programme. I saw him on an old edition of Antiques Road Trip the other day and he was a great participant, although I was pleased to see they didn't go so far as to let him drive the classic car they go around in!

mrangryofwarlingham
15th Dec 2017, 16:35
Is that the best you can do for a thread title

I claim the prize for being the most offensive and patronising

Gets coat and hat....

BehindBlueEyes
15th Dec 2017, 16:39
Ah, but there are three types of special needs:

Those that are absolutely genuine - either physically or developmentally - through no fault of their own. I’ve got all the time in the world for these individuals.

Then there are those whose parents think that by giving their child a label, it will get them advantage or an excuse for their lack of progress, bad behaviour, inability to conformity etc etc. And schools seem to go happily along with this.

Finally, there are those that want an reason for their own inadequacies, who complain that society treats them differently but then believe that they are special - so they should be treated differently. :ugh:

When I was at school, forty years ago, there was always the odd one or two ‘naughty’ children that struggled to confirm or focus. We all knew who they were and I bet most of us could name those characters, even after all these years. Now every class seems to have at least 4 or 5 that have “issues”

What is going on?

Gertrude the Wombat
15th Dec 2017, 16:56
I'm not sure that there are many 5 year olds interested in Brexit.
There are some - the ones who are wondering whether or when their family is going to be split up, with a parent being sent "back" "home" (to a country they may never have lived in, or at least not for decades).

Jet II
15th Dec 2017, 18:53
There are some - the ones who are wondering whether or when their family is going to be split up, with a parent being sent "back" "home" (to a country they may never have lived in, or at least not for decades).

Why would anyone be sent back? :confused:

Gertrude the Wombat
15th Dec 2017, 19:38
Why would anyone be sent back? :confused:
Some already have been. As for "why" our society chooses to behave like this your guess is as good as mine, but one really can't imagine that #brexit will make it any better.

G-CPTN
15th Dec 2017, 20:26
Whilst illegal immigration should be controlled (in my opinion) it seems that the system doesn't catch those that should be deported, whilst concentrating on those who shouldn't (because they have established themselves in a positive relationship with society).
There is currently a case of a young man of Lebanese origin who was brought to the UK as a child and forced into slavery.
After falling into bad company after he ran away from his 'captors', he eventually found his niche as a boxer and has won several titles boxing for Britain - but he has no passport or documentation.
He is currently awaiting deportation to Nigeria (http://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2017/12/10/uk-based-boxer-risks-deportation-to-nigeria/)despite having no surviving family or knowledge of the country.

Jet II
15th Dec 2017, 22:43
Some already have been. As for "why" our society chooses to behave like this your guess is as good as mine, but one really can't imagine that #brexit will make it any better.

Why have they been sent back - what has that to do with Brexit? :confused:

ricardian
16th Dec 2017, 05:26
You've obviously not seen the new skinny Nigella who - she'd have us believe - eats all of that calorie laden stuff that she cooks.
Simpering cookery fraud.
Going off topic now - but this is PPRUNE.

http://www.tvthrong.co.uk/files/u1670/nigellagillian.jpg

Donkey497
16th Dec 2017, 21:45
Offensive and Patronising....?

All apologies for the thread crossover to the May I see a Doctor, but you have to go a very, very long way to get close to the receptionists at my doctor's surgery. People with visible wounds and worse have been told to go away, as they were only wasting the doctors' time, as they tried to negotiate an appointment.

Nemrytter
17th Dec 2017, 14:17
I'm not sure that there are many 5 year olds interested in Brexit.Physical age or mental age?:=

Jet II
17th Dec 2017, 14:19
Physical age or mental age?:=

Well I'll leave that to experts like you.. :rolleyes:

tartare
17th Dec 2017, 21:24
The `guy in the wheelchair' who does the security stories should be excellent.
He's Frank Gardner (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Gardner_(journalist)).
Ex military.
Shot and left for dead (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/active/mens-health/11247597/Frank-Gardner-I-will-never-forgive-the-terrorists-who-did-this-to-me.html) in the middle of a street by AQ in a nasty neighbourhood in Riyadh.
His cameraman Simon Cumbers was pursued by the arseholes, and killed.
Highly respected within the BBC - and clearly trusted by people at both Vauxhall Cross, Thames House and Cheltenham.