Since they are asking....

[Amber Vibes]

What a cynical ploy on the part of management to put AT "on the street" to take impromptu questions from anyone. Clearly, this is for PR consumption and nothing else.

Please oh please would someone approach her with:

1. Her letter that pulled snippets of data cited out of context to support their rationale for the cuts in one hand; and

2. The actual full article that refutes what she said in the other and ask her to reconcile the two.

If I recall correctly, it was a Bloomberg article she cited.

[Frogman1484]

No one go. Leave her standing on the road like a fool that she is. Show that we have no confidence in her ability to solve the problems that she has created.

[Freehills]

Although, tempting to ask for an explanation of fuel hedging, EFB and her strategy for ensuring CX remains an employer of choice...

[Amber Vibes]

@Frogman, they are playing the optics game here. Leaving them alone is what they want so they can say "...hey, we were on the streets begging them to talk to us.....". Doing something such as what I suggest, or any action where they are publicly confronted with the facts and/or irrefutable proof of their indefensible behavior might shut this ploy down. Beat them at their own game.

@Freehills, I see the argument, but this is very tricky because it is about appearances and lip service to shape public opnion -- nothing more.

[enoughisenough_]

wouldn't it be better if say 200 or more pilots turned up on the same day to confront her on the 13th month payment. Show some solidarity and resolve in person rather than just on yammer.

[Rated De]

I see the argument, but this is very tricky because it is about appearances and lip service to shape public opnion -- nothing more.

Yes it is.
As much as you want to send the message, this is not the place. This is message and narrative shaping.


No one go. Leave her standing on the road like a fool that she is. Show that we have no confidence in her ability to solve the problems that she has created.

I would agree. It is to quote Gordon Gekko, all about bucks, the rest is simply conversation.

Right now there is not sufficient revenue and yield pressure. Anyone who has witnessed a company workshop an industrial conflict is viewing something dark. It is NEVER about honesty, it is about what is sufficient to win the day. Human cost included.

Cultivating indifference to them professionally, not reacting to the obvious baiting and giving them no more thought is far more dangerous. Quietly resolved, withdrawn yet seemingly compliant employees scares them as they cannot model when there is no overt response.

[Amber Vibes]

Yes it is.

Cultivating indifference to them professionally, not reacting to the obvious baiting and giving them no more thought is far more dangerous. Quietly resolved, withdrawn yet seemingly compliant employees scares them as they cannot model when there is no overt response.

Very eloquently put. It's almost poetic. I stand corrected. My strong sense of justice got the better of me. Sorry if I almost led anyone astray.

[FreemaninHK]

Very eloquently put. It's almost poetic. I stand corrected. My strong sense of justice got the better of me. Sorry if I almost led anyone astray.

+1

BEAUTIFULLY PUT.

[broadband circuit]

I was told that AT cut a lonely figure there today, joined only by GL to keep her company

[Soul planet]

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/b0/df/82/b0df824a930fbfe0d508279659a78a54--painted-chairs-art-ideas.jpg

[Trafalgar]

Another problem that is in critical need of addressing: we have aircrew managers that, a) don't understand anything about aviation, and b) loath aircrew (DFO and GMA as example). You cannot possibly have a successful relationship with your 3000+ pilots if the two main people responsible are constantly looking for ways to screw them over. That is exactly the problem we face in CX. Both AT and DP have no respect or consideration for the aircrew. They are actively looking for ways to cut their pay, benefits and lifestyle solely to advance their own careers. Until we have two people in those positions who understand the issues we face daily (therefore need to be pilots themselves) we will not have the beginning of healing. I know we had RH years ago who was no better, but with the groundswell of resistance, the company could not dare to have someone in those positions now who isn't sympathetic and nurturing of our career goals. Time to clean house.

[Trafalgar]

Interesting placement of Pinocchio's nose....

[Amber Vibes]

@Soul Planet, LOL. You should leave that chair at her next venue.

[BusyB]

I guess thats a 9-5 shift not more than 5 days a week:confused:

She wouldn't want to work pilots hours and have a bunk with her:}

[Kitsune]

Another problem that is in critical need of addressing: we have aircrew managers that, a) don't understand anything about aviation, and b) loath aircrew (DFO and GMA as example). You cannot possibly have a successful relationship with your 3000+ pilots if the two main people responsible are constantly looking for ways to screw them over. That is exactly the problem we face in CX. Both AT and DP have no respect or consideration for the aircrew. They are actively looking for ways to cut their pay, benefits and lifestyle solely to advance their own careers. Until we have two people in those positions who understand the issues we face daily (therefore need to be pilots themselves) we will not have the beginning of healing. I know we had RH years ago who was no better, but with the groundswell of resistance, the company could not dare to have someone in those positions now who isn't sympathetic and nurturing of our career goals. Time to clean house.

Yeah right The Gerry and Ken show made things so much better for the aircrew of the time...

[Starbear]

I am afraid that after reading her latest update she has yet again proved that she does not get it nor ever will.

Lots and lots of words along the "we hear you" lines but the final two paragraphs confirm the status quo will prevail. Still completely believes that theirs is the only way to meet the "business needs" and blames everyone else for not getting onboard (Specifically HKAOA)

Did anyone really expect much different?

[Shep69]

There is a big difference between not 'getting it' and not WANTING to 'get it.'

A full understanding but willful denial of the situation faced; under the premise if you hammer enough YOUR position and message it will become fact (obfuscating when necessary).

In the long run, denial works very poorly. It eventually catches up with you.

[TurningFinalRWY36]

The pressure is on and momentum is finally starting to building. Never have we been as united as we are now. Get to the focus night coming up and show support. Lets finally be a union.

[BlunderBus]

How about convening a face to face meeting to explain to 600 people why they lost their jobs!!

[Flex88]

The pressure is on and momentum is finally starting to building. Never have we been as united as we are now. Get to the focus night coming up and show support. Lets finally be a union.


Regarding "Focus Nights", how many has there been and how's that working for us ?

Cynical, I know.

[Dragon69]

Regarding "Focus Nights", how many has there been and how's that working for us ?

Cynical, I know.

The "Focus Nights" is nothing more than a social event. Case in point the last one. Did ND have anything useful or relevant to say? I don't know why some associate the number of attendees to the strength of the union? I don't go to them because in my opinion they're just a waste of time, but it doesn't mean that I am not a union man, or not interested in protecting my COS

[Dragon69]

You wont know unless you go!

Errrrr... the video is posted on the AOA site smarty pants.

[TurningFinalRWY36]

Maybe it is not about what is said specifically. Not many show up and that is the problem, if everyone not working show up for an hour or two we would find a couple hundred in the room and would be great to see

[Piet Lood]

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