Dubai Air Show

[The Range]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-10/superjumbo-saga-last-hurrahs-set-to-dominate-desert-air-show

[Talparc]

The muppet TC wants „ to go out with a splash“
Hahaha, yes that for sure will happen but not the way he thinks!

[EchoKilla]

EK made a little money things are GREAT again :ugh:

[P7xkk]

Amid the Shakespearean corruption tales coming out of Airbus, and John Leahy finally retiring by Feb next year.

[fliion]

Reuters saying 36-38 A380’s possible order tomorrow.

https://www.reuters.com/article/emirates-airshow/airshow-emirates-may-order-36-38-airbus-a380-jets-source-idUSL8N1NH098

[Jack330]

Most probably Sir TC accepted his bribe to save struggling airbus and he’s preparing his golden retirement... He’ll be watching ek struggling with a huge overcapacity with his pop corn..

[moneyhoon]

Boeing nears deal with Emirates for 787-10 jets: sources | Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-emirates-airshow-boeing/boeing-nears-deal-with-emirates-for-787-10-jets-sources-idUSKBN1DC06R)

[moneyhoon]

Just confirmed at Dubai Airshow 40 787-10

[pilotguy1222]

Any Boeing news will be of zero surprise, but another 380 will be quite the opposite.

[1a sound asleep]

https://www.facebook.com/AIRLINESECRETS/posts/2028354137437594

Emirates have just announced an order for Boeing 40 787-9 aircraft at the Dubai Airshow. The 787-10 will enable Emirates to open up routes with smaller demands and give the airline much needed flexibility

The 787 deal, including airplanes and related equipment, is valued at $15.1 billion at current list prices. Emirates' orders today will be delivered from 2022,


Emirates is also rumoured to order 30-40 A380 but are nervous about the resale market. A possible order will be conditional upon Airbus buying back or finding new homes for some of the older A380s currently operated by Dubai’s Emirates.

[Joker11]

As much as I doubt an A380 order, I am still curious what will come out of Airbus's workshop.

The 787 surprises me and it doesn't.

[BewareOfTheSharklets]

Most probably Sir TC accepted his bribe to save struggling airbus and he’s preparing his golden retirement... He’ll be watching ek struggling with a huge overcapacity with his pop corn..
So why did he just order 787s then? Also, how is Airbus struggling (A380 sales aside)?

[Dropp the Pilot]

Nice change to order an airplane with which an airline can make money. Now to start counting backwards from 100 and we will be in business.

[Kobus Dune]

The level of hatred displayed by some against the A380 - and other AB products - is incredible.
For sure they come from countries (Ireland, NZ, Oz, NL, Belgium) with a fantastic aircraft industry ...
What could be the reason ? Too manies Hollywood movies since childhood ? Secretly dreaming of US citizenship by adoring American aircraft? Trying to figure they are airlines managers and economists, when they are just airline pilots without much knowledge of anything past an OM-A and a FCOM ? Dreaming to " fly the 787 " when it will be just another cockpit in which you rotate bugs and confirm FMC pages, without banking more than 30°, to sleep in front of motionless panels for hours over the Indian Ocean ?

[The Range]

I don't understand why would EK want to trade-in some old A380's for new ones, they are the same aircraft, and the old ones still have a few more years of life left.
And Kobus, I don't hate Airbus aircraft, I just don't like them as much as Boeing. But I always thought the A380 program was a big blunder by Airbus.

[GillEx737]

What do we all think of Jeremy Clarkson? Interesting choice...

[pilotguy1222]

"Interesting" indeed. He is a douche bag, and I know many who think the same. He also singlehandedly ruined a great TV show. Is he trying to bring ruin to an airline now?

[glofish]

I don't understand why would EK want to trade-in some old A380's for new ones

Well, if they keep their business model, it makes certain sense. This because they need heavy metal and for the next 10-20 years, there are only the 380 and the 77X able to offer this capacity. So basically you have a choice of sticking to some dugongs, or to go entirely 77X, as a full 380 fleet would be a death sentence.
Changing some fuel guzzlers with newer models that guzzle slightly less, and having that sweetened by an almost suicidal offer from the manufacturer (thank you European taxpayer), would represent a keen move, at least for a mid-term fleet strategy. Macron's short visit must have helped, so let's wait for the last day of the (desp)air show for such an announcement.

[donpizmeov]

The range. The new one are lighter an burn 1000kg per hour less than the original ones.

[my salami]

The range. The new one are lighter an burn 1000kg per hour less than the original ones.

Ask the engineer what's the TBO on new RR....

[donpizmeov]

The better fuel burn and lower weight has nothing to do with RR engs. The majority of the fleet is EA powered.

[The Range]

don, that's only 10,000 kgs. on a 10hr flight, ¿does that compensate enough the monthly payments on the new ones when the old ones are probably paid off?

[correamd11]

Folks,
Since the thread was initially about the Air Show..
Does anyone know if there is a way of getting in without having to pay the normal entrance?
There were some mysterious ways on the previous shows, I’d rather spent those 75 bucks on Irish Village discussing Boeing vs Airbus over a few pints...

[donpizmeov]

The range. A new one (well they have be around since EK started LAX on the 380) will carry an extra 22t of revenue to LAX than an older aeroplane due to an increase in MTOW and better fuel burn. So that and the saving in fuel cost would be the difference.

[fatbus]

Also some EK pilots think they know more about the actual operating costs than the commercial division. I'm sure those same pilots are managing their millions very well!

[Enos]

Does anyone know if there is a way of getting in without having to pay the normal entrance?


I’d rather spent those 75 bucks on Irish Village discussing Boeing vs Airbus over a few pints...

You made me laugh with this.

A true aviator , you deserve all 5s in your next PPC for this.

I'm still waiting for the big iPad (EPT) order announcement.

[bvcu]

Ask the engineer what's the TBO on new RR....

Engines all have to be sorted at RR expense but should end up good then.......
If we're talking about TBO's we better not mention the worlds biggest engine on the twins............

[Kobus Dune]

...
What could be the reason ? Too manies Hollywood movies since childhood ? Secretly dreaming of US citizenship by adoring American aircraft? Trying to figure they are airlines managers and economists, when they are just airline pilots without much knowledge of anything past an OM-A and a FCOM ? Dreaming to " fly the 787 " when it will be just another cockpit in which you rotate bugs and confirm FMC pages, without banking more than 30°, to sleep in front of motionless panels for hours over the Indian Ocean ?

.............. You, sir, are a worrying and saddening frustrated human being.

Are you worried by your own portrait ?

[crewlog]

Might not care about operating cost Ek!, but managing my multi millions very well thanks! No fancy car in the car port or Jumeirah Jane in the house!




Also some EK pilots think they know more about the actual operating costs than the commercial division. I'm sure those same pilots are managing their millions very well!

[The Range]

Here's more:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-14/emirates-keeps-pressure-on-airbus-to-come-around-on-a380-demands

[Jack330]

https://airlinegeeks.com/2017/11/14/highlights-from-dubai-air-shows-day-two/

[Kobus Dune]

430 aircraft (A320 and A321) ordered today at Dubaï Air Show, in a single contract.

To be allocated to Frontier Airlines (US) JetSMART (Chile) Volaris (Mexico) and Wizz Air (Hungary)


http://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-releases/en/2017/11/indigo-partners-doubles-existing-a320neo-family-order.html

[Xiamen]

The end of first class on the EK 777 (and likely 787). New premium economy instead.
So the new first class will be a A380 product only.

[sealear]

Might not care about operating cost Ek!, but managing my multi millions very well thanks! No fancy car in the car port or Jumeirah Jane in the house!

You have my vote :D:}

[High Energy]

flydubai went shopping again. 175+50 B737 MAX. Incl MAX -8, -9 and -10.

Boeing, flydubai Sign Historic Deal for 225 737 MAX Airplanes - Nov 15, 2017 (http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2017-11-15-Boeing-flydubai-Sign-Historic-Deal-for-225-737-MAX-Airplanes)

[glofish]

430 aircraft (A320 and A321) ordered today at Dubaï Air Show, in a single contract.

Intention only for the moment. Nothing signed yet. The guy is 80 (!) , i guess before anything confirmed, he will have joined a lot of 380s on the boneyard ......:cool:

It looks like a propaganda lifeline for Airbus, to calm the shareholder for a while.

[Dropp the Pilot]

A "full ceiling height" suite on the 380 would engender more laughter than respect unless you are a Hobbit. It's already a low, under-ventilated hovel and moving the doors up would just amplify the effect.

[bvcu]

I thought it's being launched on the 777

Only 777LR which is 10 a/c , still a massive fleet of 3 class 300ER's so early days to read anything into this i think ?

[Kobus Dune]

It looks like a propaganda lifeline for Airbus, to calm the shareholder for a while.

And your own propaganda is pathetic

[glofish]

KD:

Well, the AB share went up 2.6% today, after it fell about that much 2 days ago .....
and when half of this intended order is signed up watertight, i will stop calling you a simpleton.

[The Outlaw]

Well that certainly put EK in second place!

Sign of the times?

Did they even order any planes this year that anyone knows about?

Not the usual 100+ ?

[harry the cod]

40 787s. Try to keep up.....it's really not that difficult.

Harry

[fliion]

Well that certainly put EK in second place!

Sign of the times?

Did they even order any planes this year that anyone knows about?

Not the usual 100+ ?

The narrow body component of the EK/FZ plan ordered 175

[The Zohan]

It's already a low, under-ventilated hovel and moving the doors up would just amplify the effect.

It's gonna be a lot harder to get rid of your farts...

tz

[The Outlaw]

40 787s. Try to keep up.....it's really not that difficult.

Harry

Harry,

Its called SARCASM (ˈsɑːkaz(ə)m)

Try to keep up.....it's really not that difficult either :rolleyes: (emoticon added for visual aid in case you were having trouble Harry)

[Kobus Dune]

The Dubai Airshow was organized by F&E Aerospace since the year 1989. The Airshow held in the United Arab Emirates, It was organized under of Guardianship Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum that time he was Vice President and Prime Minister of the UAE and Ruler of Dubai.

And so ? You forgot to say that Zanzibar is an island west of Tanzania, Tupolev used to be a Soviet company, and Le Bourget is an airport - and a city - north of Paris :rolleyes:

[Jet II]

Breakdown of the Indigo Partners order.

Wizz - 72 A320neo, 74 A321neo

Frontier - 100 A320neo, 34 A321neo

JetSMART - 56 A320neo, 14 A321neo

Volaris - 46 A320neo, 34 A321neo


Seems that Airbus make very popular single aisle short haul aircraft yet struggle to make a successful widebody long haul. After the 340 and 380 debacles I wonder if they will have another go.

[donpizmeov]

Fliion is possibly one of the more balanced posters on this forum. To call him him EK blinkered is way off base.

Jet I I. Take a look at a330 and a350 orders. Kids who get stuck up on brands need to get out more.

[Jet II]

Jet I I. Take a look at a330 and a350 orders. Kids who get stuck up on brands need to get out more.

The 330/350 range isn't exactly what I would call widebody Long haul - more medium size/range for the 767 market.

What is there that competes against the 747/777 and is successful?

[fatbus]

Have you bothered to look at the airbus website?

[Jet II]

Have you bothered to look at the airbus website?

Yeah - its got a lot of pictures of the 380. Just not a lot of orders.

Some people seem very touchy over any criticism of Airbus.. :confused:

[Dropp the Pilot]

There's a great book waiting to be written about the 380. A once-in-a-century intersection of Gallic hubris and executive megalomania produces a poorly executed and wasteful product for which there is (patently) no market whatsoever.

Underpinning the unintentional comedy is the fact that anyone with a grade-school education and an abacus can calculate that there is absolutely no set of circumstances under which an airline could operate the airplane profitably.

[Emma Royds]

The 330/350 range isn't exactly what I would call widebody Long haul - more medium size/range for the 767 market.

Think Singapore - New York is a tad outside the range for a 76 and even with a generous tailwind! ;-)

[donpizmeov]

Its beyond the range of the 777 an 747 as well Emma Royds. So he kind of has a point. :E

[Jet II]

Well if the argument is that the A350-1000 is a direct competitor in the 777/747 market then it actually proves my point.

The A350-1000 has been flying for a year and has 169 orders - the 777X isn't even due to fly for another 2 years (if it remains on schedule) and it already has 326 orders. Which one is looking to be the biggest commercial success?

[donpizmeov]

326 ordered. 150 ordered by EK...hmmm, any other aeroplane have order numbers like that?

The 77x order covers both the -8 and the -9. Do the same with the 350 and it has 858 orders. None by EK.

The 380 and the 77x are both too expensive for airlines, hence the lack of orders.

[DCS99]

And yet more opinions and speculation

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/opinion-airbus-emirates-face-off-over-a380-impasse-443384/

[Commander Taco]

There's a great book waiting to be written about the 380. A once-in-a-century intersection of Gallic hubris and executive megalomania produces a poorly executed and wasteful product for which there is (patently) no market whatsoever.

It’s already been written. Airbus vs Boeing by John Newhouse, published in 2008.

[Dropp the Pilot]

This chap prefers to use a knife which is a little longer and has a serrated edge:


Teal Group’s Richard Aboulafia had this to say about the A380:
..he described it as “born to die”.
The final delivery will take place by 2020 “with unpleasant losses all around”.
“Launched with a hideous mix of hubris, shoddy market analysis, nationalism and simple wishful thinking, the A380 was destined for a short, painful life”.
“This has been a learning experience, albeit one for people who should have known better from the start. When launching a new jet, it’s important to survey the market trends, regulatory changes, likely technological developments, and customer preferences. None of that was done here”.

[glofish]

So to resume the show:
EK ordered 40 dreamliners, Indigo placed an intent to order 430 neos (some 70 confirmed), FlyDubai ordered i can't remember how many Maxes, nobody had to eat his hat, i didn't suffer a heart attack and our chaiman repeated a well known quote that might inflict a stroke to KD et al ..... :)

[donpizmeov]

Bout sums it up.

[Dropp the Pilot]

99 A380s on the ramp, 99 A380s
Pick one out, try to dispatch
98 A380's on the ramp

98 A380's on the.....

Roll on the return of profit share

[winter959]

You can say what you want about the A380 but from a passenger point of view, i am SLF, it is the most comfortable tube today when flying longhaul, specially if you have to fly economy, and I am hoping that the whale is around for many more years to come, seriously.

[glofish]

You can say what you want about the A380 but from a passenger point of view, i am SLF, it is the most comfortable tube today when flying long haul, specially if you have to fly economy, and I am hoping that the whale is around for many more years to come, seriously.

Me too. But please not with the airline that provides my pay check, only with the other airline that flies from my resident city to my home town!