Time to reconsider Turkey inside NATO?

[DirtyProp]

According to some commentators, we should think about it:

Kick Turkey out of Nato: Think tank demands action over Erdogan?s rising autocracy | World | News | Express.co.uk (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/857957/Turkey-Nato-out-Recep-Tayyip-Erdogan-news-politics)

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/time-to-kick-turkey-out-of-nato_us_5a0371a0e4b0204d0c1713db

PS: these are not necessarily my views.

[Tankertrashnav]

We once had a FEAF ranger cancelled at Akrotiri because the Turks decided to withdraw our diplomatic clearance to overfly. This meant that instead of a nice trip to Singapore we just flew back to Marham the following day. That was around 1972 and I've never trusted Turkey as a NATO ally since!

[cokecan]

Turkey is a nightmare, if its an ally then my children are quiet, well behaved and tidy - however the only thing worse than Turkey in NATO is Turkey not in NATO...

you think they are bad now, wait till they go fully freelance.

the one upside pehaps is that they might not get F-35...

[Heathrow Harry]

And they are very sound on Russians and the causes of Russians..............

Strategically they really extend the problems Russia would have if it were to think of warming things up

And, TBH, they are a lot better than some of our current and past allies.........

[XR219]

you think they are bad now, wait till they go fully freelance.

the one upside pehaps is that they might not get F-35...

But then who would service our F-35s' engines?

[ICM]

Having lived with the Salazar regime in Portugal and that of the Greek Colonels, I'd be very surprised to see any NATO move to expel Turkey. Most capitals will presumably be quietly hoping that the Erdogan era will one day pass into history as those did.

[Heathrow Harry]

Question is is NATO a military alliance or a political/economic alliance?

If it's is the first then you have to accept some roughs with the smooth

[etudiant]

Equally relevant would be the question of why Turkey stays in NATO, now that Europe has shown it the door.

[roving]

Surely it was Turkey's strategic position during the Cold War which was all important. US air bases, US missiles sited there.

Didn't JFK cut a deal with the USSR to remove some missiles from Turkey if the USSR agreed to remove its missiles from Cuba.

[Heathrow Harry]

Redstone's IIRC....... and Turkey was critical as it filled the gap between Europe and the Middle East

NATO was never just about Europe - it was to keep the Russians in place - (or "encircled" if you look from Red Square)

[Lonewolf_50]

Question is is NATO a military alliance or a political/economic alliance?

If it's is the first then you have to accept some roughs with the smooth
Harry, the answer to that has always been Yes. (It's both).

I will also note that if any of you take a peak at the North Atlantic Treaty (aka Washington Treaty), which is the founding document of NATO (https://www.nato.int/nato_static/assets/pdf/stock_publications/20120822_nato_treaty_en_light_2009.pdf), you will see that there is no provision for ejection from the alliance. There is, however, provision for leaving the alliance with a one year's notice.
Article 13
After the Treaty has been in force for twenty years, any Party may cease to be a Party one year after its notice of denunciation has been given to the Government of the United States of America, which will inform the Governments of the other Parties of the deposit of each notice of denunciation.

That means that as long as Turkey finds it useful to be in the NATO alliance, it can remain within it.

[Heathrow Harry]

Now that is something that I'd never realised - many thanks...................

[Herod]

"Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer"

[ShotOne]

It's been argued that for practical purposes Turkey have already left; every single NATO liaison officer has either been recalled and arrested or has claimed asylum overseas. This even includes one unfortunate officer who was in Intensive care due to a road accident at the time of the coup attempt!

[T28B]

@SHotOne I think that the Turkish government sent "politically reliable" replacements already to NATO HQ and SHAPE, at the least.

[etudiant]

Presumably some personnel rotation is normal after a failed military coup?
I'm not really up on the protocol for such situations.

[ORAC]

Redstone's IIRC.......

PGM-Jupiter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PGM-19_Jupiter) owned by the US army. The UK got the longer range PGM-17 Thor. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Emily)

[Ian Corrigible]

US-Turkey war of words on S-400, F-35 escalates fast (http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/188543/us_turkey-war-of-words-on-s_400%2C-f_35-escalates-fast.html)
As the U.S. and NATO pressure mounts on Turkey to stop the purchase of the powerful S-400 missile system from Russia, the American administration has threatened that it may not go forward with a plan to deliver F-35 fighter jets ordered by Turkey.

In retaliation to the American blackmail, Ankara may take measures of its own in response, atop of which is the possible dismantling of the powerful Malatya-Kürecik AN-TPY-2 radar that was set up by the U.S. in 2012.

This will lead to Israel being widely exposed to ballistic missile threats, as the Kürecik radar [has] been set up with the purpose of detecting any missile fired at Israel.