This must be the lowest paid basic salary pilot job..

[jetjockey696]

CEBU LOOKING NTR A320 PILOTS..


Non-type rated A320 Captains and First Officers on behalf of Cebu Pacific Airlines.

Available screening dates ongoing.

Basic Monthly Salary:

Captain: PhP 123,500 (2,380usd) (depending on flying time on aircraft type and seat)
First Officer: PhP 80,000 (1542usd) (depending on flying time on aircraft type and seat)

***Thirteenth (13th) month pay for every completed calendar year**

Productivity pay::ugh::mad:

Captain: PhP 3,370 per hour (Maximum of 1,000 hours per year and no more than 100 hours per month.)
First Officer: PhP 2,240 per hour (Maximum of 1,000 hours per year and no more than 100 hours per month.)

Bases: Manila, Philippines
Rotation: Commuting roster 6/2.

Do you hold the following minimum requirements?

Non-Type Rated Captains

Minimum of 3,500 hours total time
Minimum of 1000 PIC hours on jet aircraft or 2000 PIC hours (multi-pilot turbo-jet airplane with MTOW of 50 tons)
Valid ATPL
Valid Class 1 Medical
English Proficiency Level 04
No History of Incidents or Accidents

Non-Type Rated First Officers

Minimum 1,500 hours flying experience, in which 500 hours on jet aircraft
Valid ATPL
Valid Class 1 Medical
English Proficiency Level 04
No History of Incidents or Accidents

Benefits include:

Medical Insurance coverage and Christmas Bonus
Annual Shopping Benefits
Vacation Leave and Sick Leave
Access to staff travel for employee and dependents on Cebu’s network.
A320 Type Rating.

[B2N2]

At 60hrs/month for $4,200 that’s more then I made as an FO flying 73’s for a scumbag operator in the USA buddy......
And it is what it is,don’t like the pay don’t take the job.
I bailed as soon as I qualified for the next step.

[rolloutflare]

Not blaming anyone but here lies the issue of willing takers. B2N2 said it, you took the bait, despite the low pay, whether or not you moved on as quickly as you could.
It would be nice if there's no taker on this but I wont hold my breath on this one.

[pfvspnf]

Absolutely pathetic ! You are only paid the low basic during your two weeks off! A complete disgrace

[gulliBell]

I believe Susi Air in Indonesia pay Expats about $800 USD/month for entry level position, and after that the salary goes to $1,200/month (these might be old numbers). I stumbled across an interesting BBC series on YouTube about flying for this company. It follows the recruiting pathway for the new recruits as they qualify for a co-pilot position on a Cessna Caravan. From there they can move up to single pilot on a Porter. They get many Expats from the UK with 200-ish hours and a basic license just looking to get some hours together so they can aim for an airline job.

[pfvspnf]

GB , there's is a big difference between bumming around in a caravan and flying a 446 passengers on a medium haul flight .

[ZFT]

GB , there's is a big difference between bumming around in a caravan and flying a 446 passengers on a medium haul flight .

Even Cebu don't pack that many in an A320

[pfvspnf]

A330 - I'm guessing very similar pay

[ZFT]

A330 - I'm guessing very similar pay

A330 recruiting was a few months ago and somewhat different

[pfvspnf]

How different ? You are still not paid on your two weeks off and pay for all your initial expenses

[B2N2]

Not blaming anyone but here lies the issue of willing takers. B2N2 said it, you took the bait, despite the low pay, whether or not you moved on as quickly as you could.
It would be nice if there's no taker on this but I wont hold my breath on this one.

Choosing between an underpaid job and choosing not to pursue your chosen career is not really a choice now is it?
There will never be a shortage of inexperienced FO’s.
We should consider ourselves lucky if low paid jobs were the only problem in aviation.
Susi Air provides housing and meals by the way and in certain countries you can still live like a king with $1000 to spend each month.
Something the local population wouldn’t have in a year.
Can’t really pay off a loan with those kinds of wages but a too expensive loan for a too expensive course back in Europe is not really your employers problem is it?
Yes I like playing devils advocate at times but entitlement is a disease.

[Officer Kite]

Well I would take this job if I was stuck and so would everyone else ... although anyone know the costs of 'protection' one may incur whilst in the Philippines :E

[Black Crow]

Consider other factors in this "offer". If you take it, you are responsible to pay for your medical, your work permit and all associated cost that comes with the license conversion. Another tidbit they won't tell you is you won't be paid while in training or while you get your initial operating experience on the line, except for a tiny "training allowance" which is only P20,000/month. And with the scheduling this could take 6 plus months.

So with the initial outlay of cash by the pilot (figure about $4k US) and only earning about $400 US a month for the first 6 months (that's if they actually pay you on time, which is rare) a prospective pilot is in negative before he ever realizes and productivity pay.

And don't forget the training bond. Yep, the new pilot will sign a training bond for three years (or more) for about 10 times more than the training received.

[Black Crow]

The pay might be low... But Cebu has better secondary benefits than most legacy carriers in Europe!

And what would those "secondary benefits" be at CP that would make the low pay worth it? And don't forget the awful scheduling, the abysmal training and overall disrespect of the company towards employees.

[pfvspnf]

What benefits?!?!?

[Piper2897m]

If your making 2,380 usd in the Philippines you can live like a king...stop whining

[pfvspnf]

Are you sure about that ?! Things are not that cheap over there.

[Cymmon]

IT depends on what you want to "procure" each month...

Standard living is fine at that rate, more than fine....

Even £500 is perfect for a good life...I can survive on £200 with a little care.

[Black Crow]

If your making 2,380 usd in the Philippines you can live like a king...stop whining


Sure, try that in Manila.

Maybe out in the Province if you like living like the locals.

[Capt.Tentacles]

CAE on their website has an A330 First Officer job listing with Cebu Pacific offering:
Base: Manila
Monthly Salary: USD 8,000 per month
Screening Plan: On-going
Standard roster of 6 weeks on/2 weeks off
Off Duty Days: 8 days off per month
Accommodation USD 1,500 accommodation allowance provided per month

Has anybody any experience with CAE? Are they a reliable company to work with?
Are any pilots on this contract with Cebu Pacific right now?

[Jimmy The Big Greek]

Don't forget that this salary is GROSS. You need to subtract 32% tax :sad:

[Capt.Tentacles]

Don't forget that this salary is GROSS. You need to subtract 32% tax :sad:

OUCH!!:}:eek::{

Is the 1500 USD, accommodation expense, also taxed 32%?

Interestingly, CAE on their website do not mention the 32% tax or the salary being subject to any income tax!! :=

[Jimmy The Big Greek]

Yes you are right. But when you ask about the terms and conditions they will let you know that this is GROSS salary and that you need you need to pay 32% tax.
I do not know if the 1500$ are taxable.

[Black Crow]

There is a lot CP won't tell you or just lie about. And contracts mean nothing to them, contracts are only to insure the applicant will be obedient, the company can do anything they want when they want.

There has been a slew of lawsuits filed by expats against CP for their actions in regards to employment.

[Capt.Tentacles]

There is a lot CP won't tell you or just lie about. And contracts mean nothing to them, contracts are only to insure the applicant will be obedient, the company can do anything they want when they want.

There has been a slew of lawsuits filed by expats against CP for their actions in regards to employment.

Can you explain more in detail your above statement?
Curious, what was the outcome of the Expat Employment Lawsuits?

Also, I thought PARC/CAE was doing the hiring and salary payment since they are providing the pilots to CP. So will they not make sure CP will not break the terms & conditions of the contract?

Does anybody have any experience dealing with PARC/CAE?

[Black Crow]

Can you explain more in detail your above statement?
Curious, what was the outcome of the Expat Employment Lawsuits?

Some are still ongoing.


Also, I thought PARC/CAE was doing the hiring and salary payment since they are providing the pilots to CP. So will they not make sure CP will not break the terms & conditions of the contract?

Does anybody have any experience dealing with PARC/CAE?

Understand lying at CP is just part of the business and it is also part of the local culture.

Also understand any contract is only as good as the parties signing.

[Capt.Tentacles]

Consider other factors in this "offer". If you take it, you are responsible to pay for your medical, your work permit and all associated cost that comes with the license conversion. Another tidbit they won't tell you is you won't be paid while in training or while you get your initial operating experience on the line, except for a tiny "training allowance" which is only P20,000/month. And with the scheduling this could take 6 plus months.

So with the initial outlay of cash by the pilot (figure about $4k US) and only earning about $400 US a month for the first 6 months (that's if they actually pay you on time, which is rare) a prospective pilot is in negative before he ever realizes and productivity pay.

And don't forget the training bond. Yep, the new pilot will sign a training bond for three years (or more) for about 10 times more than the training received.

Unbelievable and Unheard of!! What a :mad:POS Company!

[pfvspnf]

I don't work for 5j but can assure you no FO earns 9500USD a month.

[Capt.Tentacles]

I don't work for 5j but can assure you no FO earns 9500USD a month.

I believe you! But then why is PARC/CAE advertising 8000USD monthly salary and 1500USD monthly accommodation allowance?:rolleyes: If they do not offer that then what about their reputation?

[Black Crow]

I believe you! But then why is PARC/CAE advertising 8000USD monthly salary and 1500USD monthly accommodation allowance?:rolleyes: If they do not offer that then what about their reputation?

What CP has negotiated with an agency and what they actually do once the pilot is on the property are two different things.

Just keep asking as to why so many expats have fled this airline. Some have even just left the country without telling the airline or anyone just to get away from the nightmare.

[arigato]

I have seen new guys both locals and expats in VNA, Vietjet, Asiana, HKE, HKA and HKA Cargo. It seems to me that there is a great problem on "LEADERSHIP" in all aspects. Management people steered the "ship" with greedy intention at the cost of loyal pilots. HR tinkered with pilot's pay without any process of justification. FRMS delayed again (since 2 years) on A320, unstable rostering, racist treatment of locals etc...

It seems that nobody wants to be in this "ship". Many pilots on standby for the promised "signing bonus" on the other legacy airline. A lower pay but a better package and good working conditions.

Who is telling the truth? "Action speaks louder than word."

Your guess is as good as mine.

[Capt.Tentacles]

Are they even any EXPAT pilots working for 5J and on what types of contracts or all 'jumped ship'?:zzz:Will be interesting to find out if any of the 'Big Dolla' contracts advertised by PARC/CAE will be honored by it!

[pfvspnf]

Even local a330 captains do not make 9.5k on a slow month . You do not get paid for your two weeks off and there are no perks. Just saying

[ROCCO SIFFREDI]

Just found out that that we will not be on a PARC contract but on a CEBU contract and CEBU pays your salary, so basically they can do whatever they want with you. PARC is only doing the recruitment for CEBU, they have no other responsibility.
Basically they are using PARCS name and the promise of big dollar contracts to lure pilots to CEBU. I am cancelling my application.:(

I am also VERY surprised by PARC that they are supporting this kind of companies. That they would try to trick pilots like this, I thought they where more proffessional than this. Its more or less FRAUD.

[Black Crow]

Just found out that that we will not be on a PARC contract but on a CEBU contract and CEBU pays your salary, so basically they can do whatever they want with you. PARC is only doing the recruitment for CEBU, they have no other responsibility.
Basically they are using PARCS name and the promise of big dollar contracts to lure pilots to CEBU. I am cancelling my application.:(

I am also VERY surprised by PARC that they are supporting this kind of companies. That they would try to trick pilots like this, I thought they where more proffessional than this. Its more or less FRAUD.

Oh I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you!

CP would use such a tactic? Oh the shock of it all!

[Capt.Tentacles]

Even local a330 captains do not make 9.5k on a slow month . You do not get paid for your two weeks off and there are no perks. Just saying

From PARC Aviation Website. Still being advertised, curious anybody hired on these Terms & Conditions on this contract with Cebu Pacific?

Last Updated Date: Dec 4, 2017
Position:A330 First Officer
Job Type:Contract
Location:Pasay City, Philippines

We are delighted to inform you that CAE Parc Aviation are currently recruiting for experienced A330 First Officers on behalf of our client, Cebu Pacific.

Please find below the requirements for this position based in Manila, Philippines.
Base: Manila, Philippines
Duration: 2 years (Alternative length of contract available upon request)
Roster: 6 weeks on/2 weeks off (Commuting)
Last flight on type within 6-12 months
Flight time:
Total flight time in excess of 2000 hrs
500 hrs on A330/A340

Base: Manila
Monthly Salary: USD 8,000 per month
Screening Plan: On-going
Standard roster of 6 weeks on/2 weeks off
Off Duty Days: 8 days off per month
Accommodation USD 1,500 accommodation allowance provided per month

[Black Crow]

From PARC Aviation Website. Still being advertised, curious anybody hired on these Terms & Conditions on this contract with Cebu Pacific?



Read the thread. CP is playing smoke and mirrors with these contract agencies in an attempt to lure pilots into working for them.

With the well known reputation of CP why do you guys keep hoping there is a golden opportunity with them? Why do you want to work for a low pay carrier with no benefits to speak of, horrible schedules, probably the worst training in the industry and a culture that despises expats?

[bafanguy]

Why do you want to work for a low pay carrier with no benefits to speak of, horrible schedules, probably the worst training in the industry and a culture that despises expats?

That's the question isn't it. Perhaps CP is a steppingstone to something better ? Would that explain why people will endure the abuse in the short term ?

[Black Crow]

That's the question isn't it. Perhaps CP is a steppingstone to something better ? Would that explain why people will endure the abuse in the short term ?

Stepping stone? YGTBSM? :=

Why would anyone want that smudge on their resume? The industry is aware of the incredible low standards of CP as well as the non existent standards of CAAP.

In this day and age of pilot shortages CP still resorts to requiring training bonds, not to cover training, but to place the pilot into indentured servitude.

[bafanguy]

Stepping stone? YGTBSM? :=

Why would anyone want that smudge on their resume?

I wasn't advocating CP as a wise career move. I was asking a question on a subject with which I no personal experience.

I do know people often take lesser quality positions on their way to bigger and better. In fact, that's rather common.

This ENTIRE website is running over with reports of ghastly bad jobs...and people inquiring how to get in on the deals.

[Black Crow]

I wasn't advocating CP as a wise career move. I was asking a question on a subject with which I no personal experience.

I do know people often take lesser quality positions on their way to bigger and better. In fact, that's rather common.

This ENTIRE website is running over with reports of ghastly bad jobs...and people inquiring how to get in on the deals.

Yep, people want in, they somehow believe "it won't be like that for me" and "I'll just go there to get experience so I can get a better job later".

First fallacy, It's not going to change because you show up there. There has been a revolving door at CP for years. Pilots come there, endure the abuse until they simply can't take it anymore then bail out. Some pilots have actually come in from flying a trip, walk across the terminal and get on an international trip never to return. Sorry, this doesn't happen at properly run airlines.

Another fallacy, getting the experience. Most of the world knows just how horrible CAAP is and how corrupt. They are also aware of the extremely poor training of CP. When a pilot shows up with a CAAP license and CP on their resume that alerts them that this person is likely unqualified for the position they are applying for.

There are jobs everywhere for pilots now, good paying jobs with quality companies. For those with the proper certificates and the right attitude getting into a cockpit is easier than it's been in years.

If you must live in the Philippines and absolutely must work for CP, then go for it. They will take anyone who will sign their ridiculous contracts, endure their non existent and punitive training, cower to their idiotic management, attempt to endure brutal scheduling practices and be in the lowest pay brackets. Get use to be lied to constantly as well while having your pay skimmed.

And don't forget you will be flying with pilots who don't know aircraft systems, have little knowledge of jet performance and have the hand flying skills less than a private pilot.

[MaverickPrime]

In the Philippines, it’s not what you know, rather who you know! So don’t say things aren’t aren’t fair, because things are ‘fair’!

You can buy a mansion in the Philippines for a £80,000, although you can’t buy land or a house without Filipino citizenship. However, you can indeed live like a king for less than £1,000/Mth.

Your mobile phone bill will be just as much as western countries.

Cars cost just as much as in the West, but no point having a car as it’ll just get wrecked in the crazy traffic.

Beautiful islands, very friendly and hospitable people, so cheap to eat out.

AFAIK, you pay $1,000 for your work permit.

Very common to not be paid on time in the Philippines across a lot of sectors and industries.

I don’t know how they will get 320 rated pilots with 500h on type when there are plenty of western 320 operators crying out for 320 rated pilots!

Not a country I’d recommend you work in without some local connections. They say that the Philippines’ biggest export is its people both educated and uneducated, what does that tell you!

[Capt.Tentacles]

CAE Parc Aviation are currently recruiting Non-type rated A330 Captains and First Officers on behalf of Cebu Pacific Airlines.

Available screening dates ongoing.

Basic Monthly Salary:
Captain: PhP 123,500 (depending on flying time on aircraft type and seat)
First Officer: PhP 80,000 (depending on flying time on aircraft type and seat
***Thirteenth (13th) month pay for every completed calendar year**

Productivity pay:
Captain: PhP 4,450 per hour (Maximum of 1,000 hours per year and no more than 100 hours per month.
First Officer: PhP 3,350 per hour (Maximum of 1,000 hours per year and no more than 100 hours per month.
Bases: Manila, Philippines
Rotation: Commuting roster 6/2.
Do you hold the following minimum requirements?

Non-Type Rated Captains

6,000 + hours Total Flight Time (Minimum of 3500 hours on multi-pilot turbo-jet airplane with MTOW of 50 tons)
2000+ PIC hours multi-pilot turbo-jet airplane with MTOW of 50 tons
Date of last flight within 6 months at the date of commencing assignment
Valid ATPL
Valid Class 1 Medical
English Proficiency Level 04
No History of Incidents or Accidents
Non-Type Rated First Officers

2,000 hours Total Flight Time (Minimum of 1,000 hours on multi-pilot turbo-jet airplane with MTOW of 50 tons)
Or 1,500 hours multi-pilot turbo-prop airplane with MTOW of 10 tons
Date of last flight within 6 months at the date of commencing assignment
Valid ATPL
Valid Class 1 Medical
English Proficiency Level 04
No History of Incidents or Accidents
Benefits include:

Medical Insurance coverage and Christmas Bonus
Annual Shopping Benefits
Vacation Leave and Sick Leave
Access to staff travel for employee and dependents on Cebu’s network.
A330 Type Rating.

Greetings Y'all

Has anybody gotten hired on the above contract? Please share your 'pre and post experiences?

Bye Y'all

[Black Crow]

Notice they conveniently forget to mention the training bond. They also fail to mention that base pay and productivity pay does not begin until after training and Line Supervised Experience, typically about 6 months. So bring lots of money to live on.

And they fail to tell you that the pilot is responsible for paying for everything, medical, work permit, license conversion, test, ELP, radio permit, etc. Bring lots of money.

They also fail to mention how their draconian vacation leave works, i.e how one is charged vacation days for their normal off days to insure one can't stretch out the vacation. And vacation doesn't pay protect the pilot for productivity pay, only for base pay.

And how one is not pay protected for productivity if he/she calls in sick. Have an 8 hour trip and call in sick? You lose 8 hours of productivity pay.

So taking vacation or sick days can be very expensive for the pilot in lost productivity.

[Black Crow]

CAE Parc Aviation are currently recruiting Non-type rated A330 Captains and First Officers on behalf of Cebu Pacific Airlines.

Available screening dates ongoing.

Basic Monthly Salary:
Captain: PhP 123,500 (depending on flying time on aircraft type and seat)
First Officer: PhP 80,000 (depending on flying time on aircraft type and seat
***Thirteenth (13th) month pay for every completed calendar year**

Productivity pay:
Captain: PhP 4,450 per hour (Maximum of 1,000 hours per year and no more than 100 hours per month.
First Officer: PhP 3,350 per hour (Maximum of 1,000 hours per year and no more than 100 hours per month.


Do the math. Base pay for a Capt is $2572 US per month. Productivity Pay is $90.72 US per flight hour. No trip or duty rigs. So an 80 hour month the Capt is making $9988 US per month, or if you look at it yearly it's just about $120,000 US. The rest of the world is paying A330 Captains $250,000 US a year or better.

Oh, and that 13 month pay? That's only the base salary, $2572.



Bases: Manila, Philippines
Rotation: Commuting roster 6/2.


That should tell you all you need to know. Living and commuting to work in Manila is a nightmare. Live 5 miles from the airport? Better plan on at least an hour commute, if not more each way, every day.

And that 6/2 roster? Plan on your last day of the 6 weeks to arrive Manila at 3am (of your day off) and plan on being ready to fly again at midnight preceding your day to start. In other words, your 14 days is really 12 days.



Medical Insurance coverage and Christmas Bonus
Annual Shopping Benefits
Vacation Leave and Sick Leave
Access to staff travel for employee and dependents on Cebu’s network.
A330 Type Rating.


Medical insurance? Yea, it's great if you never get sick or need it. Have a major medical problem? Better have lots of money saved up.

Shopping benefits? Yep, in Robinson's. Again, nothing to write home about.

See above post on vacation and sick leave policy. A joke.

Free travel? Get ready to jump through some hoops, and family travel is limited, very limited.

A330 Type Rating. Yep, on a CAAP license trained by CP. In other words, useless outside of the Philippines. Oh, and you will sign a three year training bond.

[Capt.Tentacles]

Black Crow as usual, an excellent 'Forensic Actuarial Dissection' of the Cebu Pacific A330 CPT & FO, Contract T & C's and all it's Subtle Nuances and such!!

What would be very interesting to find out is, Why, CAE/PARC, is doing the 'dirty work, i.e. pimping' for Cebu Pacific, as to lure prospective pilots, and then once on the property and/or committed to the contract, to pull a 'switcharoo'on them!! Therefore, by employing, 'Bait and Switch', tactics!!
What about their (CAE/PARC) reputation?

Anybody hired on these contract T & C's then switched to local contract. Please share your experiences?

Once again, keep up the good work Black Crow!

Capt. T

[Black Crow]

Everything about CP is bait and switch when it comes to pilot recruitment. Many promises made, offer of employment letters that state one thing but once the pilot is on property then they are told something else.

*If* CP was to be transparent in their pilot recruitment no one in their right mind would go near the place. And Lance would have to bring his hiring and training standards up to 21st Century Western standards, which initially would cut into his profit margin but in the long run would place his company in a secure situation with a stable and safe workforce.

But Lance continues to surround himself with "yes men" who only have one goal, maximum profits. The Chinese side of Lance also still wants to treat employees as servants whose only purpose is to provide him with maximum profit while enduring unreal working conditions.

[BAe 146-100]

What would be very interesting to find out is, Why, CAE/PARC, is doing the 'dirty work, i.e. pimping' for Cebu Pacific, as to lure prospective pilots, and then once on the property and/or committed to the contract, to pull a 'switcharoo'on them!! Therefore, by employing, 'Bait and Switch', tactics!!
What about their (CAE/PARC) reputation

Most agencies would associate themselves with just about anyone, last year cae parc was recruiting for a very shoddy African operator, the guys who was recruited never even flew. So to think ok its with cae parc the job must be half decent and transparent think again.