New Super Joint CSAR unit - USAF/Army equipped with Foxtrots

[chopper2004]

The US Is Crafting a Joint Air Force-Army Search and Rescue Super Team in Afghanistan. The new unit will have Air Force PJs together with Army CH-47 Chinooks and might be a model for future operations.

Back in Helitech 2001 when it was held at everyone’s favourite location in my neck of the woods , I encountered an exchange army captain from Mother Rucker whose background was a Delta driver. He had a JPR / CSAR patch on his flight suit.

Cheers


The US Is Crafting a Joint Air Force-Army Search and Rescue Super Team in Afghanistan - The Drive (http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/15448/the-us-is-crafting-a-joint-air-force-army-search-and-rescue-super-team-in-afghanistan?xid=fbshare)

[air pig]

The US Is Crafting a Joint Air Force-Army Search and Rescue Super Team in Afghanistan. The new unit will have Air Force PJs together with Army CH-47 Chinooks and might be a model for future operations.

Back in Helitech 2001 when it was held at everyone’s favourite location in my neck of the woods , I encountered an exchange army captain from Mother Rucker whose background was a Delta driver. He had a JPR / CSAR patch on his flight suit.

Cheers


The US Is Crafting a Joint Air Force-Army Search and Rescue Super Team in Afghanistan - The Drive (http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/15448/the-us-is-crafting-a-joint-air-force-army-search-and-rescue-super-team-in-afghanistan?xid=fbshare)

On the medical side, still nowhere near the capabilities of the RAFs MERT as survival rates show.

https://www.smacc.net.au/2016/11/lessons-from-the-battlefield/

Very strong presentation by amazing doctor telling of her teams experiences, if you have a quesy stomach be warned if you watch it.

[SASless]

Food for thought.....the US Army is a large bureaucracy with some very hard headed leadership in some positions. The difference between the USAF and US Army when it comes to Combat Medical Evacuation helicopter operations is a notable example.

The Air Force sent two Armed Blackhawks per mission....where the Army sent one unarmed Blackhawk escorted by AH-64's. Response times were an issue for the Army as a result.

The article raises other issues.


https://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/articles/13649/improving-the-odds-battlefield-medicine-in-iraq-and-afghanistan

[air pig]

Food for thought.....the US Army is a large bureaucracy with some very hard headed leadership in some positions. The difference between the USAF and US Army when it comes to Combat Medical Evacuation helicopter operations is a notable example.

The Air Force sent two Armed Blackhawks per mission....where the Army sent one unarmed Blackhawk escorted by AH-64's. Response times were an issue for the Army as a result.

The article raises other issues.


https://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/articles/13649/improving-the-odds-battlefield-medicine-in-iraq-and-afghanistan

The different ethos of medical evacuation between USAF and the USArmy is marked, by the lack or armament. The RAF went down the armed self-protection route but still had AH 64Ds with them. Is not being armed in the 21st centuary actually tenable in partcular when the 'enemy' does not follow or acknowledge the Geneva convention. MERT and the Apache's were scrambled at the same time in Afghan.

[air pig]

Food for thought.....the US Army is a large bureaucracy with some very hard headed leadership in some positions. The difference between the USAF and US Army when it comes to Combat Medical Evacuation helicopter operations is a notable example.

The Air Force sent two Armed Blackhawks per mission....where the Army sent one unarmed Blackhawk escorted by AH-64's. Response times were an issue for the Army as a result.

The article raises other issues.


https://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/articles/13649/improving-the-odds-battlefield-medicine-in-iraq-and-afghanistan

RAF MERT filmed during an evacuation, unfortunately the soldier Private Christopher Grey died in Camp bastion Hospital.

Helicopter evecuation is but the start of the chain you need the rest in place as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACA8wJ6dRWM

[melmothtw]

Is it not the case that the US Army Black Hawks have the Red Cross painted on them and so are not allowed to be armed under the Geneva Convention?

Certainly the case that the USAF and RAF platforms aren't marked up in such a way.

[Ricorigs]

Forgetting Afghan for a moment we lack a specialised unit to do this role in the UK. Why is that?

What we managed in Afghanistan i doubt we’ll ever achieve in full tempo warfighting.

[air pig]

Is it not the case that the US Army Black Hawks have the Red Cross painted on them and so are not allowed to be armed under the Geneva Convention?

Certainly the case that the USAF and RAF platforms aren't marked up in such a way.


Indeed US Army Dustoff's helicopters carry the Red Cross and follow the Geneva Convention and are in effect unarmed unlike the USAF Pedro's.

[NutLoose]

It is why the Jet Provost, remember them, had the first aid kit markings on the side changed from red to green so as to be abiding by the terms of the Geneva convention.