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Short Approach?
21st Oct 2017, 11:30
fleetwide of 64%. Can than really be accurate and if so whats going on? :sad:

SOPS
21st Oct 2017, 13:25
The beginning of the end?

ChocksOn
21st Oct 2017, 13:44
That's what happens when your ego is bigger than your ability to deliver...."The 787 is too small for our operation"....morons

flareflyer
21st Oct 2017, 14:40
And where does that 64 come from?

Joker11
21st Oct 2017, 16:41
I was trying to get to FRA a week ago. FULL! I didn't risk it. Chock-o block full. But on a postive note. DXB is lovely in the winter.

atakacs
21st Oct 2017, 17:28
I don't know where this is comming from but business class is often sold out on many destinations I fly... Much to my consternation

Jack D
21st Oct 2017, 19:07
Not sure if the load factor is that important, what’s the yield ? As long as EK keeps going the possibilities for profiting from “ the system “ is upheld for certain individuals , a bit like a casino. .

nolimitholdem
22nd Oct 2017, 01:03
EK is coming up as the cheapest option for me quite often on the ticket broker sites, which never used to happen. (Asia/Europe sectors). Would seem to indicate softer demand/loads. Seasonal perhaps?

Odins Raven
22nd Oct 2017, 08:34
EK is coming up as the cheapest option for me quite often on the ticket broker sites, which never used to happen. (Asia/Europe sectors). Would seem to indicate softer demand/loads. Seasonal perhaps?

Well, there was always going to be a drop in the traditional higher-yielding markets from places like the UK. The economic uncertainty is making people tighten their purse strings a little. Friends over here (UK) are still talking about travelling and holidays, just being a bit cautious. I’ll guess we’ll see what happens if and when the Brexit dust has settled... could be a while!

sealear
23rd Oct 2017, 10:55
Got a link to that 64 number or what?

JAYTO
23rd Oct 2017, 11:40
This link is the only source I can find regarding the above quoted 64%


http://www.pprune.org/middle-east/600940-ek-loadfactor.html


J.

EchoKilla
23rd Oct 2017, 11:44
Got a link to that 64 number or what?

Lfs were in the 60-72% range all of the past week on the daily ops report so ya - again really depends on the yield.

Mr Mac
23rd Oct 2017, 12:55
As others have said I have found on my routes with you Guys and Girls that Business has been quite full over the last couple of months, and have had problems getting seat (5 sectors flown) especially on legs in or out of Man. Do not know what other cabins are like but crew said they were quite full when asked.


Regards
Mr Mac

PositiveRate876
23rd Oct 2017, 18:08
Load factor alone is not an indication of profitability.


The aircraft can be full of low yield pax and lose money. Or it can be half empty but with high yield fares and make money.

777boyo
24th Oct 2017, 00:39
And is it "load factor", or "seat factor"? There's a difference.
7B

fatbus
24th Oct 2017, 06:56
What is seat factor? thanks

777boyo
24th Oct 2017, 08:51
fatbus,

Maybe I'm being pedantic - when I worked on that side of the business, "Seat Factor" = Passenger Load Factor.
"Load Factor" = a composite measure taking into account all revenue generating "things" carried - pax/freight/mail etc (usually tonne based).
I'll concede that Load factor and Passenger Load Factor seem to be often used inter-changeably!
Cheers,
7B

fatbus
24th Oct 2017, 09:07
That's kind of what gathered , but thanks for that.

puff m'call
24th Oct 2017, 17:36
One of the LHR's the other day was almost empty, why send the fat bus?

Schnowzer
25th Oct 2017, 04:58
One of the LHR's the other day was almost empty, why send the fat bus?
H
Coz you guys on the Boeing had it for years😜

In the traditionally slow period now, same May/June. Hopefully it will ramp up before Xmas.

Sheikh Your Bootie
25th Oct 2017, 12:11
Every 380 was full out pf LHR a few days back, and for days after Puff. Maybe one way traffic, holidays. Not many upgrades either for pax available.

SyB :zzz:

GEB74
25th Oct 2017, 12:34
My experience as regular SLF is that loads have become weaker this last year.
Yes, travel at start / end of a week, school / college holiday period and the flights are maxed out.
But, last weeks example (flown midweek to midweek)
22 out of MAN, J less than half full (yes it's the weakest of the 3 MAN flights)
538 to AMD - predictably totally full
515 Ex DEL - combined J&F load on the bus max 25 out of possible 50
19 back to MAN - J about 65% full and the rearmost upstairs economy section blocked out empty.
The irony being that the only one of these flights operating full was that being flown on EK's smallest aircraft, a 200LR..................

Fuel-Off
25th Oct 2017, 12:43
Loads to anywhere in Australia have been oversold for the past month or so...

Fuel-Off :ok:

White Knight
26th Oct 2017, 06:11
For the hard of understanding: A scheduled operation has peaks and troughs - as Schnowzer has pointed out!

This is why, if you don't have children of school age, it's a good time now to take leave as there's less stress with the standby travel!