Daltonism - Colour Blind

[Aviadorbrasil]

Hi guys...
I’m a Pilot in Brazil, and I have daltonism. So, the aviation in my country is not very weel,and I’m thinking to leave, and try new horizons. Due to my problem , I’m a little bit scared, to apply in a couple companies and be disappointing after receive a big NO, for my little problem.
My intentions here is try to find any countries that aceppt this problem(like in Brazil). I can’t see that plates (Ishihara), but i now all the colors sepparetly,like the organization requires.
I’m a Atr 72 first Officer, frozen atpl, with Icao 4.. total flight time 2500(2000 on type).
If someone could help me I ll be ao glad.
I need a job and I ll fight for this! Thank ou so much :O

[Odins Raven]

It’s a while since I did a GCAA (Dubai) medical but I’m sure you DO need to pass the Isihara tests.

[Xulu]

It’s a while since I did a GCAA (Dubai) medical but I’m sure you DO need to pass the Isihara tests.

Well no that's not true. I fail the Isihara test every year.

As long as you can pass the CAD test once on your initial medical, you are covered with the GCAA for life.

Edit: UK CAA is the same. If you can fly in Brazil, I'm sure you can fly in the ME or UK. GL

[g109]

I suggest you improve your English, a primary school student has better writing skills than you

[donpizmeov]

There he is. There is always one.

[RJ021]

I suggest you improve your English, a primary school student has better writing skills than you
How polite!

[Dualinput]

You could do a Lantern Test...I know GCAA accepts it..good luck

[nakbin330]

I suggest you improve your English, a primary school student has better writing skills than you

Why be an arse?

[ZFT]

I suggest you improve your English, a primary school student has better writing skills than you

How good is your Portuguese?

[Matulee084]

I suggest you improve your English, a primary school student has better writing skills than you

Idiot. I thought I would never wrtite something like this but you deserve the title.

[Matulee084]

Hi guys...
I’m a Pilot in Brazil, and I have daltonism. So, the aviation in my country is not very weel,and I’m thinking to leave, and try new horizons. Due to my problem , I’m a little bit scared, to apply in a couple companies and be disappointing after receive a big NO, for my little problem.
My intentions here is try to find any countries that aceppt this problem(like in Brazil). I can’t see that plates (Ishihara), but i now all the colors sepparetly,like the organization requires.
I’m a Atr 72 first Officer, frozen atpl, with Icao 4.. total flight time 2500(2000 on type).
If someone could help me I ll be ao glad.
I need a job and I ll fight for this! Thank ou so much :O

Hello brother,

Failling Ishihara does not mean you can not be a pilot anywhere.
I does, however, means that your colour vision is not perfect. So you need to pass an alternate test. Alternate tests are all listed in each country's regulations like FARs, JARs and so on... On your specific case, it will be RBAC 61. For the GCAA like our friend here has just said, the alternate test is the CAD test that you can take both in the Emirates Clinic during the screening process or in the London City University.
For Qatar Civil Aviation Authority for instance, the CAD test is not even mentioned. They are more on the FAA side of this and there's a quite good list that you can refer to from their regulations ( google it !!).
Unfortunately, there are no clinics in Brasil that would be recognised either by the GCAA, JAA or QCAA.
Brazilian regulations regarding colour vision are exactly the same published on ICAO annex 1. What has happened to you is that your local AME used the allowed alternate test wich may not be recognised in other countries.

My advice for you is:

1 - AVOID Dra V. at any cost! If you do not know it, she is YOUR Airline physician and also the local FAA AME. Unfortunately, like everybody else in this ****y airline, she hate pilots and will do everything to take your medical away based on personal perception and not on regulations.

2 - If you reallly want to apply for EK or any other airline in Dubai, take some days off, go to London and take the CAD test, other Azul pilots have done this before. This is the ONLY way for you to get the colour vision waiver you need to pass the GCAA physical.

3- If your target airline is Qatar, than forget about the CAD test because it is not recognised there. You will have to pass the lantern tests or some similar procedures.

4- For China and Japan, things are different and it is more likely that you will not be accepted even with the alternate tests.

Now, from a personal point of view, I know how bad it is to fly for your airline. Believe me, I've been there. However, if you apply for EK or QR with your current experience, even if you get in, you will probably struggle in training and also, will make your captains have a hard time on the line. Don't get me wrong, I once had the same amount of time and ratings you have now and I would perform the same way.
My suggestion: Stay hard, stay hungry and hold tight. Azul is upgrading a lot of first officers from the AT 72 to the A 320 every month.
If you have more than a year of hiring, you will very soon be able to get a slot on the bus. GO FOR IT! Fly the little bus, get as much flight time on it as you can, and while doing this, make all efforts to improve your english. Do not let g109 words let you down, assholes like this are everywhere but you really need to improve your english skills, not only to pass a screening process but to be really usefull on a foreign cockpit.
Get a ZED ticket on your vacations, go to London City University and pass the CAD test while building your good hours. London is beautiful, enjoy the pubs!
Use the bastards in Azul to get your Airbus type rating and time, and once you're ready, get the hell out! But do it only when you're really ready! Study hard, hit the books!

I wish you all the best. Keep me posted on your progress.

Matulle.

[rcsa]

I suggest you improve your English, a primary school student has better writing skills than you

Lives in Munich, uses a WW2 german fighter model as his alias... you kind of guess he's gonna be a special nice guy, really.


And conversely - Matulle - your post is exactly what one would hope from a mature, responsible, fully-functioning adult. Good work, brother.

[Neektu]

[QUOTE=Aviadorbrasil;9927436]Hi guys...
I’m a Pilot in Brazil, and I have daltonism."

Also, take a look at http://www.pprune.org/medical-health/487847-collective-colour-vision-thread-4-a.html

[what_goes_up]

Thanks Matulle
That's exactly what PPRuNe should be there for... Helping out a fellow aviator with a question he has

[Xulu]

You could do a Lantern Test...I know GCAA accepts it..good luck


Again, this isn't true.

I held a CAA class 1 medical using an old lantern test. On applying to EK, was told Lantern was not accepted anymore, and I needed to pass the CAD test. They have a CAD test machine in HQ. You do this on the last day of interview selection in Dubai.

I continue to fail Isihara every year; despite knowing I can't see the numbers, they still make me try as if expecting a medical miracle, or waiting perhaps for me to memorise the numbers.

Either way, the result is irrelevant. Passing CAD once during interview, covers you for life under GCAA. I hope this makes it clear for our Brazilian aviator.

[Stu666]

Wonder if these would be of any use? I'm colour blind myself, been meaning to buy a pair. Enchroma | Color For The Color Blind (http://enchroma.com/)

[Aviadorbrasil]

Thank you guys for the answers! I ll try some companies, if i pass, i ll be back to let you know.
If someone has the problem, and fly, please tell us too.

Thank you so much. fly safe

[rodney rude]

Hey Donpizmeov


Was it you that had Daltonism many years ago or am I mistaken???


Rod

[donpizmeov]

Hey Donpizmeov


Was it you that had Daltonism many years ago or am I mistaken???


Rod

Only when it comes to the rugby.

[5star]

just one piece of advice:

Make sure you check with your HR contact what the latest rules are for vision, because I know, for a fact, the vision tests have been adjusted (read upgraded) and EK is now even stricter than GCAA minima's during the initial medical.
For those with a current GCAA medical this does not apply.

[Anderson.]

Has anyone here already taken this CAD test?

[Ttecheverry]

Hi guys...
I’m a Pilot in Brazil, and I have daltonism. So, the aviation in my country is not very weel,and I’m thinking to leave, and try new horizons. Due to my problem , I’m a little bit scared, to apply in a couple companies and be disappointing after receive a big NO, for my little problem.
My intentions here is try to find any countries that aceppt this problem(like in Brazil). I can’t see that plates (Ishihara), but i now all the colors sepparetly,like the organization requires.
I’m a Atr 72 first Officer, frozen atpl, with Icao 4.. total flight time 2500(2000 on type).
If someone could help me I ll be ao glad.
I need a job and I ll fight for this! Thank ou so much :O
Bom día senhor, Por favor, você poderia entrar em contato comigo? Enviei-lhe um e-mail e eu realmente gostaría de sua resposta. Meu e-mail é [email protected] em caso de que você tenha dificuldade em encontrá-lo. Cumprimentos

BREAK BREAK

Hello sir,
Would you please contact me?
I've sent you an email and I really would appreciate your reply.
My email is [email protected] in case you have trouble finding it.
Best regards

[KATLPAX]

Little off topic, but what about a Dubai drivers license, my understanding is they require a color blind test? Anyone have knowledge of this, much appreciated.

[Flyboy_SG]

I suggest you improve your English, a primary school student has better writing skills than you


Is it required to fly an aircraft ? Or the operater is asking for better writing skills so that he can write endless emails to the management in flawless English ? Why can’t you guys just stick to the topic and stop firing a poor guy ?

C’mon they need ICAO 4 and he has it.

People like you are the ones who climb up the management tree and be a PIA to us.