Gibraltar-2

[MKY661]

Flew home last night from GIB. Just be warned if any of you are checking in bags get there early, took us 45 mins just to check in yesterday.

On a more positive note, it appears that all Monarch routs will keep the same frequency as this year, with some of the Manchester flights now operating 1 hour earlier. EasyJet's schedules have not been released yet so still waiting for news on that.

[compton3bravo]

Phew only 45 minutes, you were lucky! Good old Gibair.

[MKY661]

We were at the front of the queue too!

[mansp]

So, what was the story today then, gib runway closed, hearing bomb scare, local police stopped a Hercules taking off? What's the real story?

[compton3bravo]

You can read it all in the Gibraltar Chronicle, apparently a dispute over jurisdiction between the Gibraltar Police and the MoD about a person on board the aircraft. Runway closed for two hours.

[canberra97]

mansp

Google is always your friend with an instant reply rather than posting it on here and waiting 11 hours and 44 minutes for a reply. I love searching the Internet and finding everything I need to know.

[Nil by mouth]

As a Gibraltar resident I can confirm that some landings are quite hair raising!

Pilot survey says Gib is toughest runway for landings ? Gibraltar Chronicle (http://chronicle.gi/2017/07/pilot-survey-says-gib-is-toughest-runway-for-landings/)

Just a bit of lighter hearted news than of late.

[eckhard]

Well, I would agree that Gib can be tough but tough-est?
The old Funchal was quite challenging and Innsbruck and Samedan have their own tough moments....
In fact JFK 13L off Canarsie with a southerly wind can also be tough!

But I suppose I'm really talking about 'approaches' and not 'landings' (apart from Funchal).

[rog747]

mykonos in the old days pre extension? 737-200's could hack it but it was hairy

[MKY661]

Monarch have unfortunately ceased ops. There will be no repatriation flights from here, all will be from AGP.

Maybe EasyJet will pick up the LTN route? I doubt BHX will be returning as I've heard loads have been quite poor.

[Lee J]

The Gatwick flight shows as being operated by Titan from GIB.

Manchester and Birmingham from Malaga, Luton to be advised.

As a regular Manchester flyer, I hope easyJet up their frequency. From next month they reduce from 3 to 2 flights a week (Sunday & Wednesday). Monarch had 4 flights a week scheduled, so a massive drop and the loss of weekend travel with no Friday flight.

[compton3bravo]

According to a report in the Gibraltar Chronicle Monarch passengers amounted to 36 per cent of the total number of passengers using the airport. The local tourist industry is deep!y worried about the situation and wants an airline to pick up the routes to the UK as soon as possible. Also Titan have been using a Boeing 757 on a number of rescue flights into GiB. Must be quite a time since B757s were seen there.

[paully]

Quite a sight to see and as you say very rare..I hope I'm wrong but I can't see Jet2 piling in, as they are one of the few with suitable equipment. After all, with the motorway Malaga isn't that far these days..much better experience via Gib but..... either way that terminal isn't going to pay for itself anytime soon

[MKY661]

I also can't see Jet2 coming in. I believe the B738 may not be able to land here as discussed on the Monarch thread.

[compton3bravo]

Personally all I can see is easyJet operating from Luton, Birmingham is out due to not particularly good loadsa and Monarch were stopping there flights from there due to that fact.

[Aksai Oiler]

Quite a sight to see and as you say very rare..I hope I'm wrong but I can't see Jet2 piling in, as they are one of the few with suitable equipment. After all, with the motorway Malaga isn't that far these days..much better experience via Gib but..... either way that terminal isn't going to pay for itself anytime soon

I live in Cadiz Province. Maybe you are right maybe not. I personally prefer to fly ex GIB over AGP, particularly in the summer months, simply because AGP is a nightmare for queues and delays, connections to LHR are lousy too, with only two flights a week, whereas GIB is at least daily.

I certainly hope somebody picks up the slack in GIB.

[rog747]

GIB loses MON/OM :(
quite a few flights year round from a number of London airports and UK regionals - not a bad bit of business for them over the years thank you very much - shame their other routes were not as forthcoming for them.

what now?
well as discussed the 738 or MAX is not the plane for GIB so that leaves 320 ops with BA and EZY

Jet2 have 757's - yes a nice route set for them to pick up and could get them into LGW by default if they want it - same as EZY did back then by buying GBairways - that buyout is what made EZY huge at LGW and they took full advantage of it.
Then BA starts GIB again themselves (you cannot make this up)

757's have a few years left but then what for future if Jet2 do take GIB on.

what about the Gaggero's - would they try another go at GIBair/GBairways version three?
plenty of 320's and crew out there....

[EK77WNCL]

I was wondering if Jet2 could be a possible contender for picking up the ex-MON flights into GIB

With STN, BHX, MAN being LS's biggest bases now, I could see 2-4 weekly working, with a view to adding LBA/NCL/EDI/GLA at a later date

[cornishsimon]

I wouldn't be surprised if BA add LGW-GIB back into the schedules

[paully]

When you think about it, the coal burners they would have to rely on are heading for razor blades at a rate of knots.The 757 have too much capacity for Gib. However all will depend on the views of Phil Meeson. If they can make money on the routes they will have a go, if they can't, they won't..

[Plane.Silly]

I don't think it'll happen, Jet2 are all about their Holidays arm now, and it's not really a package holiday destination, Could you imagine an All inclusive resort at the tippy top of the rock?

[howard h]

When retired shortly, I hope to visit Gibraltar far more as a holiday destination! Although it will probably not be a package, just a flight and a self-booked room.

Must admit I won't visit Gibraltar if I have to fly via Malaga or any other nearby airport due to (a) lost time (b) having to use public transport (c) a border to cross where there may be queues.

It's Gib's airport or nothing!

BTW this might be a silly question and I ought to know the answer :rolleyes:, who ownd, maintains and pays for Gibraltar airport? The MOD. our government as a whole or a private company (or a mix of all three)? Thanks :ok:

[Lee J]

I too can't see Jet2 being at all interested in Gibraltar, nor any of the other major operators (Thomson, Thomas Cook...). Flybe could potentially be a good match?

In the short term, all we can hope for is more Manchester flights with easyJet - there is certainly demand as most of their flights for this month are sold out or being sold at extortionate rates.

I've chosen to double the journey time and go with BA via LHR - cheaper, better product and at least I can build up tier points to work towards getting some of the perks I was accustomed too with Monarch's Vantage Club.

In terms of BA from LGW - they should look at Monarch for a reason why to not bother. They tried muscling in on Sleazy's territory (I heard in response to EZY starting MAN-GIB) with similarly timed flights from Gatwick and having flown with MON a few times, the flights were barely half full.

Plus how many more London flights does GIB need :ugh: 2 or 3 a day and the North is now served by only 2-3 flights a week!

[canberra97]

howard h

Regarding your last paragraph all your answers are easily found on the Gibraltar Airport Wikipedia page.

[EK77WNCL]

Owned/maintained by the MOD and the terminal/pax side of things is HMGoG as far as I am aware.

All of Jet2's newer 737 800's are fitted with the short field package, which allows GOL to operate in and out of runways considerably shorter than GIB, so landing distance shouldn't be a problem for the 738.

Airlines also operate non-short field 738's into and out of places such as Skiathos every day, on sector lengths of up to 2 hours. They've even been known to operate direct back to the UK, loads permitting.

There will still be 737 300's around for a few more years, and who knows, Jet2 might end up with some MAX's

When you consider "Jet2CityBreaks" is one of the "Jet2/Jet2Holidays" spin offs, the fact that Gibraltar has been seeing huge growth over the last 18 months and has become a more popular place to visit, and the fact that they've lost almost half their traffic - as well as all the potential to serve the Western costas for holidaymakers... I hope Jet2 do pick up ops at GIB, because I think they could become a big player there. They've made a success of Almeria.

I just got back from Estepona yesterday, and I'd have killed for a GIB-NCL flight, rolling in from the bar at 4am to get to AGP

[Northsky]

Plus how many more London flights does GIB need :ugh: 2 or 3 a day and the North is now served by only 2-3 flights a week!

I agree, I'd have thought EasyJet from LPL would be a potential from next year as they are basing an extra aircraft there, and previously served the route from there with load factors of between 85 and 91%. No idea why it was pulled with those figures.

[compton3bravo]

I would not be to hasty about the BA product Lee J. A friend of mine flew last week from GiB and said the flight was 'absolute :mad:'. Only one trolley for the whole aircraft, took 90 minutes to get two thirds down the cabin and having to pay £1.10p for a packet of crisps. Return flight not much better and terrible seat pitch, so beware.As regards Liverpool it is yield dear boy not load factor.

[MKY661]

I know EasyJet are due to announce some new routes from Liverpool in November as well.

[Lee J]

I've done the route with BA a few times and can vouch that since the introduction of the M&S menu, it can be a slow process for the trollies. Usually 3 of the 4 crew work economy so I think they're doing the best they can but it seems their payment taking is not up to speed. Top tip is to order a hot item when they take pre-orders and at the same time they'll usually take the rest of your order so you don't have to wait for the trolley to reach you.

I was on a easyJet flight a month or so ago and by row 4 they'd run out of hot food and I do like their ham & cheese melt :O

In terms of Liverpool flights with EJ, been and done about 4 years ago so would be surprised to see them return although with less competition down the road in MAN, maybe its a good time to try?

[MKY661]

https://worldairlinenews.com/2017/11/29/easyjet-adds-over-3000-more-seats-on-flights-between-the-uk-and-gibraltar/

Only from Gatwick and Bristol though, though heard EasyJet will be basing more at MAN Next year so hopefully some expansion from there too.

[gojmc]

You could always pre order your ham and cheese melt (or any other meal deal) and save yourself £1 in the process. https://preorders.easyjet.com/

[MKY661]

Charter flights to be Trialled from Belfast International, Humberside, Exeter, Bournemouth, Durham Tees Valley and East Midlands. Not sure who the Operator will be yet.

https://www.euroweeklynews.com/3.0.15/news/on-euro-weekly-news/gibraltar-news/146556-charter-flights-from-uk-airports-to-gibraltar-trialled-next-july

[rog747]

rumour is Titan i was told on Hurn forum

[MKY661]

BA launching Seasonal flights to Gatwick from 28th May. Will be Seasonal but will run every day except Tuesdays.

[Lee J]

Yay even more flights from the South... that will be up to 5 daily flights from LGW / LHR compared to only 3 a week from Manchester.

:ugh:

[SWBKCB]

What happened to the Jet2 flights? :rolleyes:

[rog747]

were they on the cards?

[pabely]

I doubt it, the 737-8 does not perform like an A320 into GIB.

[MKY661]

Gibraltar handled 571,184 passengers in 2017, a 4.2% Increase compared to last year, however significant drops in passengers from October onwards for Obvious reasons. Hopefully big improvements on this in 2018.

[EK77WNCL]

For now, the 737 300's and 757's would do well out of GIB, so short/medium term there shouldn't be any problems.

Their new 737 800's have the Boeing Short Field Package included. "Basic" 737 800's and 737 900ER's (which have the SFP as standard) operate into shorter and less developed runways worldwide. Look at European operators into the Greek islands, as well as Indonesian and Brasilian operators, to name a few.

Payload restrictions might be necessary on some days, but I wouldn't have thought it would be too much of a problem to overcome.

Who knows, Jet2 might order some MAX8's, cseries or Airbii... Or maybe they'll try and get the A330's into GIB?

[Lee J]

Or maybe they'll try and get the A330's into GIB?

If they want to sink it at the end of the runway then maybe yes :uhoh:

[rog747]

he's 19 bless

re Originally Posted by EK77WNCL
Or maybe they'll try and get the A330's into GIB?

[Plane.Silly]

Age is irrelevent, it's the idea that counts.

May be wishful thinking, getting an A330 in, but i could see the 752's working for a time. I can't see any 733's lasting more than a few years.

The 738 Short field might be worth exploring. I'm sure there's a couple more destinations on their radar that could utilise it on. The return of CMF maybe?

[SWBKCB]

Other than somebody pointing out a GIB size gap in a LS schedule, is there anything to substantive to support the idea of Jet2 flying to Gibraltar?

[EK77WNCL]

Rog, I'm so sorry that went over your head, I'll be sure to have more consideration next time.

The 733's should be a safe bet for about the next 3-5 years, and the 757's possibly the next 5-10

I'd be disappointed if LS didn't at least consider the 738-SFP as an option out of GIB for the future. The aircraft won't be brimmed with fuel and if needs be they could block 20/30 seats on the return. It would still carry more than a 733.

[paully]

The new BA GIB to Gatwick flights are to be operated by Titan from end of May to end of September on an A320

[vectisman]

BA will be operating the flights on some days and Titan on their behalf on some others.

[Gulfstreamaviator]

Very unusual and constantly unseasonable weather here. Yet another day of 60Kt gusting westerlies.

Tunnel is progressing but fills with water every time there is (another) storm. Like..... today!

[GLAinsider]

BA will be operating the flights on some days and Titan on their behalf on some others.

Will the Titan flights have BA cabin crew or their own? Jet2 often lease Titan aircraft in the Summer but always with their own cabin crew. Customers like that.

[canberra97]

British Airways neither have enough aircraft to cover for their increased flying ex LGW let alone spare or enough cabin crew to cover them hence why they are using aircraft from the likes of Titan who will be using their own crews to cover the British Airways flights.

I've travelled with Titan on a B757 operating on behalf BA and in their equivalent of Club Class and I was very surprised by how good the cabin crew were, I couldn't tell the difference and the crew were excellent with the full BA club menu on offer, I was sat in seat 1A and I was first to board and I was even invited to the cockpit before departure after politely asking which I thought was a nice gesture but the pilot obviously knew I was an aviation enthusiast as we discussed the B757.

[MKY661]

Strong rumours on the Luton thread that EasyJet will announce a new route to Luton tomorrow.

[Lee J]

Phew because out of 36 flights a week... ONLY 28 are from / to London!

Underserved much?! :ouch:

[FQTLSteve]

It's about time that BHX was re-instated since the demise of Monarch, who might take it on?

[compton3bravo]

The problem was that the loads were reasonable but the yield was not hence the reluctance to restart the service. Also a lot of people down here in Spain still prefer to fly from Malaga knowing how fickle the Gib weather can be. Twice weekly for the Luton service.

[rog747]

here you go Gulfstreamaviator

[Gulfstreamaviator]

Thanks rog747, I guess with that handle we won't be seeing you in Gib anytime soon!

First up, the approach radar is back up and running after being taken out of commission due to damage from the winter storms.
Second, The tunnel is almost complete which means that all vehicles will be underground. Eventually there might be a bus for foot passengers but for now we can still walk across - such good sport.

[MKY661]

Would that explain why Planes have been flying over the Straight of Gibraltar rather than over Malaga on takeoff Recently?

[Gulfstreamaviator]

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/552x433/pitz_f8a335047701ef79ed6e830ba66f08e573769786.jpg

From an amazing photographer, Dereck Booth, an unusual arrival into Gib taken on National Day Celebrations. Yes, its real!

[MKY661]

EasyJet flights for summer went on sale today. LGW will be double daily except Saturdays and BRS will stay at 3pw. MAN unfortunately also remains 3pw so it looks like EasyJet are not willing to increase the frequency as much as Monarch did.

LTN is unbookable after 22nd June, maybe a route increase planned?

[Gulfstreamaviator]

Yet another week of rain. 'Sporting' G/A by the afternoon BA yesterday FR24.

[Falcon666]

EasyJet flights for summer went on sale today. LGW will be double daily except Saturdays and BRS will stay at 3pw. MAN unfortunately also remains 3pw so it looks like EasyJet are not willing to increase the frequency as much as Monarch did.

LTN is unbookable after 22nd June, maybe a route increase planned?

LTN is having a summer break from 22nd June till 3rd Sept when it recommences.
I have no idea why, perhaps lack of available a/c due to prior summer commitments on other routes.

[compton3bravo]

I think those few months have not yet been loaded, we will have to wait and see.

[Gulfstreamaviator]

As of yesterday September and October are now up. The couple of months gap is a bit odd but interesting that they did continue to run after the 'only winter' plans. Still, listening to the load factors they are well up there with Monarchs' figures.

[Gulfstreamaviator]

It seems that Gib is about to get much anticipated Heli tourism! IS IT A BIRD? Gibraltar introduces helicopter sightseeing tours in 2019 with Norwegian firm Fonnafly - Olive Press News Spain (http://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2019/01/21/gibraltar-introduces-helicopter-sightseeing-tours-in-2019-with-norwegian-firm-fonnaflyx/)

Apparently a big issue was the danger to rare migrating birds that transit the area (I'd be more concerned about any danger to the Heli!) but it seems to have been solved by having some sort of trained ornithologist/observer on board.

Single engine over water, even if a turbine? Well, plenty of existing operators have done this type of flying for many years and I'm sure the Gib startup will have the required flotation equipment for the pax/Heli.

Wishing them the very best of luck when they start in May and I might even treat myself and the wife to a whizz - any excuse to get in the air!!!

[MKY661]

Reported on the Gatwick thread that BA flights to Gatwick are not returning for Summer 2020

[LTNman]

As per this year easyjet Luton flights stop in June next year for the summer period leaving a bit of a summer seat shortage from London.

[MKY661]

EasyJet to start flights to Edinburgh. Flights will run Twice weekly with the following schedule. Flights start on 31st March 2020:

Tue:
EZY6933 EDI-GIB Dep. 11:00 Arr. 15:25
EZY6934 GIB-EDI Dep. 16:00 Arr. 18:30

Sat:
EZY6933 EDI-GIB Dep. 11:15 Arr. 15:40
EZY6934 GIB-EDI Dep. 16:15 Arr. 18:45

Both flights will be operated by an Airbus A319

[CabinCrewe]

Why are BA scrapping GIB from LGW? Reducing demand? A poor yielding route?

[rog747]

Wow after over 30 years of GB airways and BA flying from LGW they stop?

What a change and tourism then...Will BA still go from Heathrow?

[flyerguy]

BAs LHR do go full, and with some days operating a double frequency. Just tomorrow both flights seem to be 98% LF.

It might be that LGWs ‘slots’ for the flights could be used on a more lucrative routes.

[MKY661]

Wow after over 30 years of GB airways and BA flying from LGW they stop?

What a change and tourism then...Will BA still go from Heathrow?

On this occasion BA had run the LGW-GIB route since Summer 2018, presumably to fill the gap left by Monarch. They did the route beforehand until 2009 where flights were moved to LHR.

LHR flights will continue as normal

[rog747]

2009 was when GB airways (BA franchise) ended having sold out to EZY the year before for over £100m and LGW then quickly went orange lol

[Gulfstreamaviator]

Rumor control says that there is a new operator planning to serve Gib from the UK. What does the team think? Any clues?

Still waiting for the tunnel to open.......

[Gsm1]

Would be good to get a North East route Leeds/Newcastle Jet2 maybe

[goldeneye]

Rumor control says that there is a new operator planning to serve Gib from the UK. What does the team think? Any clues?

Still waiting for the tunnel to open.......

Jet2 perhaps ?

[rog747]

Jet2 perhaps ?

Nope - I cannot see that - They operate mainly 737-800 and now some A321 - Both types are are no-go for GIB (both operationally and not a usable economical payload)

The 757 and 733 is OK but Jet2 are to retire both types gradually so unless they go for A320?

[LTNman]

Is the road crossing still in use? Will foot passengers still be allowed to walk across the runway when the new route opens if it hasn't already.

[ExpectmorePayless]

Rumor control says that there is a new operator planning to serve Gib from the UK. What does the team think? Any clues?

Still waiting for the tunnel to open.......
BA Cityflier from LCY perhaps. They already fly to Malaga. A case of moving the route from LGW to LCY to improve yield with no Orange competition.

[rog747]

Can BA's EMB jets cope with GIB?

Never known of any to fly in there - GIB is the pure domain of A319/A320 and (RIP) the 733/734 and 757 (throw in a Vanguard?)

[FFHKG]

The EMB's cope with LCY which has a slightly shorter runway so why should they not cope with GIB?

[Gulfstreamaviator]

We suspect that it MIGHT be FlyBe with their 'revamped' fleet. Would have to be a EMB, the turboprops wouldn't be too popular! But, Exeter or Norwich? They used to do the Norwich-Malaga route in the summer.

With the rain this week the tunnel is now a canal.....

[PDXCWL45]

Surprised no one mentioned Jet2 from Manchester?

[rog747]

I did mention Jet2 a few posts back.....
Originally Posted by goldeneye
Jet2 perhaps ?

Me -
Nope - I cannot see that - They operate mainly 737-800 and now some A321 - Both types are are no-go for GIB (both operationally and not a usable economical payload)
The 757 and 733 is OK but Jet2 are to retire both types gradually -- so unless they go for future A320 then Jet2 will not go to GIB.

[MKY661]

Is the road crossing still in use? Will foot passengers still be allowed to walk across the runway when the new route opens if it hasn't already.

Road crossing is still in use :ok:

[BAeuro]

Any update on the new tunnel? I’m trying to gauge when the road crossing will finally close. It’ll be weird after all these years and a real loss for GIB avgeeks.

[Gulfstreamaviator]

The Government assured everyone that the tunnel works were considered essential and exempt from lockdown, but the date has just been extended by 1 more month. Its been an interesting week traffic wise, a US Marine Herc made one approach and was denied another by Seville, even though it was under the control of Gib ATC on their radar. BA is still operating a (very) reduced service from LHR and average load factors hover around 35-50, a combination of social distancing aboard and the low numbers wanting the service

[MKY661]

EasyJet have published their schedule for July & August. Following in Regards to GIB:

MAN resumes 20th July
LGW resumes 26th July
BRS resumes 2nd August
LTN non operational until at least 1st September (as scheduled)
EDI non operational until at least 1st September

All operating at reduced frequencies and of course all subject to change.

[MKY661]

EDI and LTN will now start and resume from the start of the Summer 2021 season. MAN also cut to 2pw for the Winter and LGW seems to vary per month.

Interesting to note there was an AlbaStar 737-800 at the airport the other day carrying the San Marino Football Team, so the Aircraft type can operate into GIB. Could be restrictions on things though, not entirely sure, plus I doubt the likes of Jet2 or Ryanair would be interested flying here at the moment, especially with the current situation.

[rog747]

Yes it can go into GIB, we know that, but as discussed before not with anywhere near an economical airline payload. (be it a legacy or a low cost outfit)

Enter Air Poland also flew a sports team into GIB around a year ago but these type of flights are one-offs and I would imagine not heavy, def not with 189 pax and bags landing or taking off...

[davidjohnson6]

I went through GIB this week for the first time since the new terminal was opened. While the old terminal was hopelessly small, the new terminal seems somewhat overbuilt. Yes, when there are 3 or more 150+ seat aircraft departing within 1 hour, the space is necessary, but outside the late morning peak it all seemed a bit Rolls Royce

In 2019, was it a similiar story, or was the terminal being utilised well ?

[LTNman]

The terminal is a great asset to Gibraltar. The road tunnel on the other hand has been under construction for years and seems to have been mismanaged. I still don’t know if the runway will still have a foot passenger crossing when the road tunnel opens.

[compton3bravo]

As far as I am aware you will still walk across the runway. Regarding the terminal, it is rather ostentatious to say the least, it was designed so you could go across the border into Spain directly without having to go to the main crossing point. That will not happen anytime soon or not at all. The last time I used the airport it was still chaotic with three aircraft on the ground at once, but that was the usual Gibair circus!

[LTNman]

I used it with both a BA and my Easyjet on the ground. It seemed very spacious compared with Luton

[Letsflycwl]

Was in GIB back in August, x3 EZY, x1 BA & 2 private jets on the tarmac. Could not fault it at all, very organised and had disembarked, collected baggage and was walking across the runway to the hotel within 40 minutes of landing. Not bad at all considering the queues with the COVID health declaration forms.

Big thumbs up 👍🏻

[nowhereasfiled]

It seemed very spacious compared with Luton

Soviet Gulags were probably more spacious than Luton

[BAeuro]

So SeanM1997 has reported that Wizz Air are to launch flights to Gibraltar.

They will operate flights 2x per week to London Luton.

I’m very surprised to be honest!

[MKY661]

Now confirmed. will operate on Mondays and Fridays from 11th December 2020:

Mon:
LTN-GIB Dep. 13:40 Arr. 17:50
GIB-LTN Dep. 18:10 Arr. 20:00

Fri:
LTN-GIB Dep. 16:00 Arr. 19:50
GIB-LTN Dep. 20:30 Arr. 22:20

(I still need to find out the flight numbers) :D

Surprising to see another route to Luton but I Guess EasyJet haven't kept up the frequency compared to what Monarch had plus with EasyJet not running the route during the peak summer season.

[davidjohnson6]

Wizz may be betting that the UK and Gibraltarian Govt will be very reluctant to impose any kind of quarantine on each other for political reasons, especially after the UK leaves the EU half-way house

[Nil by mouth]

https://www.chronicle.gi/wizz-air-announces-new-service-between-gibraltar-and-luton/

I just hope the crews are trained and familiar with the difficulties of landing at Gib? Last week Easyjet made two go arounds before diverting to Faro.

Edit:Wizz Air describe Gibraltar as a "Mediterranean Peninsula" ! It's not a peninsula it's an isthmus. two out of ten for geography.

[LTNman]

Passengers from the UK are required to quarantine when arriving in Gibraltar.

[Globally Challenged]

LXGB isn’t that challenging and isn’t a Cat C

The jepp charts have a couple of good wind diagrams if I recall correctly

[Field Required]

https://www.chronicle.gi/wizz-air-announces-new-service-between-gibraltar-and-luton/

I just hope the crews are trained and familiar with the difficulties of landing at Gib?

Why would they not be?

[davidjohnson6]

Passengers from the UK are required to quarantine when arriving in Gibraltar.
No they're not
https://www.gibraltar.gov.gi/press-releases/online-passenger-locator-and-relevant-area-form-6492020-6226

[LTNman]

I stand corrected. UK restrictions were lifted on June 21st

[Sick]

Gib IS a peninsula. The bit with the airport on is an isthmus!

[MKY661]

No quarantine required if you're flying into Gibraltar and staying there, believe it's back on the exemption list for Wales too. However if you use the airport to travel into Spain and fly back from Gibraltar I believe you do have to quarantine.

[LTNman]

When I was over there in May 2019 a BA aircraft ended up being diverted to Malaga, as I was waiting for my departure. The difference now is that all the passengers would have to go into quarantine on their return to the U.K.

i think flights into Gibraltar have to be double captained due to the tricky approach avoiding Spanish airspace and the wind off the rock.

[compton3bravo]

Having had conversations with the flight deck crews of Monarch, BA and easy when I have flown in/out of Gib, Monarch was Captain land and FO take-off likewise with BA but easy was/is Captain landing and takeoff. Whether it has changed recently I don't know. First Officers you can land etc but in the sim! Whether Wizz employ any ex Monarch crew I have no idea.

[CWL757]

I believe quite a fair amount of ZB crew went to Wizzair.

[BAeuro]

GBC news are reporting that the Transport Minister is in talks with another new airline, which aims to launch flights next year. I guess airlines are realising GIB is a relatively ‘safe’ market which doesn’t get quarantine restrictions imposed.

If 737 passenger ops are ruled out, there aren’t many airlines left for a potential service.

[Aksai Oiler]

Just an observation, recently a couple of 737’s (Albastar was one of the operators) have been in and out of GIB on special football charters. I’m assuming these were not fully loaded