Training Plan

[TurningFinalRWY36]

Not sure how it makes sense that JFO upgrade courses are being planned and rostered when 70+ guys are about to be transferred to the freighter

[cxorcist]

Not sure how it makes sense that JFO upgrade courses are being planned and rostered when 70+ guys are about to be transferred to the freighter

It's called training capacity. They have it on the 777, less so on the 747. It's the same capacity that would have been used for a JFK base, but that has been delayed indefinitely due to "unforeseen circumstances" in the USA.

[theCOMEDIAN]

Fleet forum last week said it was only 25 FOs going to the freighter. Not sure where you got your 70+ from

[Avinthenews]

The freighter positions was a total scam to get people to "volunteer" to go to the bus, the freighter is well over crewed.

It worked :} apparently the Airbus now has all the 777 volunteers it needs!

[Flight85]

The freighter positions was a total scam to get people to "volunteer" to go to the bus, the freighter is well over crewed.

It worked :} apparently the Airbus now has all the 777 volunteers it needs!

Why would they have to scare people to volenteer? They were clear about it that if they did not get enough volunteers they would just use reverse seniority?

[AQIS Boigu]

Plan? There's a 'plan' at CX? If you call a rudderless, sinking ship a plan, then ok, there's a plan.

Sometimes I wonder if working for the communists would have been better. At least they always had a 5 year plan.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five-year_plans_for_the_national_economy_of_the_Soviet_Union

[Sam Ting Wong]

Bottom line is that the training ban is not working ( not the way we want ).

[DropKnee]

Sometimes I wonder if working for the communists would have been better. At least they always had a 5 year plan.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five-year_plans_for_the_national_economy_of_the_Soviet_Union

Having just read 1984, that is hilarious. Everyone miserable except leader.

[hkgfooey]

They are waiting on CAD to sign off on new 777/747 conversion courses. With the latest NTC for transfers from 777 to 747, and 777 to Airbus, there will be a follow on one from 747 to 777/Airbus (for HKG based crew only).

The new course will be a "short" course from 777 to 747, and will enable a 2 week short course from 747 back to 777 if done within 4 years of leaving the 777 (the 777 rating will still be valid, recency just needs to be regained). They can then rotate pilots through the 747 efficiently. Significant cost savings are anticipated through reduction in EFP on the 777.

The 777/A330 will be used to train new DEFOs, 777/A350 new SOs. Pilots of all ranks will be moved off the 777 to the 747/Airbus (NTC or promotion).

This will be a significant cost saving measure as the pilots who join come from the 747 have lower annual flying hours and can be used more productively than 777 pilots sitting at 900 hours. EFP will reduce as a result of the anticipated strong uptake of the 777 positions from the senior 747 pilots with more CNs coming from the 747 than being transferred back due to the current excess on the 747.

[Avinthenews]

Why would they have to scare people to volenteer? They were clear about it that if they did not get enough volunteers they would just use reverse seniority?

The illusion of thinking we have some control over our lives :}

[raven11]

The effect of saving EFP will last only as long as they constantly cycle pilots from the 777 to the 747 and vice versa, because they don't have a common rating.
Otherwise the low hour 747 onto the 777 pilots will be on high EFP as well after one year or so.

Frank,
I believe the part of the plan is to have training captains dual rated...they will be able to fly both types on one roster.

[swh]

The effect of saving EFP will last only as long as they constantly cycle pilots from the 777 to the 747 and vice versa, because they don't have a common rating.

Frank that might not be as far fetched as you think. The A330 and A340 were not common type ratings either. Over the years many people lost either their A330 or A340 recency and took next to nothing to get current again. Most of the times I did it it was 3 landings in the sim with a sim instructor, could be done in 30 minutes without a training captain.

[goathead]

So In summary.
Their are too many 777 TC's .
This could all be stopped if some of them had an inch of a BALL.
Frankly some of these guys disgust me. Pathethic in the highest order.

[spleener]

So In summary.
Their are too many 777 TC's .
This could all be stopped if some of them had an inch of a BALL.
Frankly some of these guys disgust me. Pathethic in the highest order.

'An inch of ball'.

Well you have to understand that it depends on one's perspective:
The Fleet Office furnishes New TC's with 'Teste Calibrators'. These are used 20-30cm away.
There are staged upgrades: STC: Sizeable Teste Calibrators, for closer examination 10-15cm, and:
BTC: Big Teste Calibrator. This is for intimate macro work. Less than 3cm focal field. Amazing detail.

[Uberskyjockey]

October roster shows an STC upgrade course for 4 TC's all Airbus and all AOA members.
Go figure.

[Sqwak7700]

Training plan? Hahaha. That is a luxury at CPA they can't afford.

Here's a copy of the training plan:

1. Aim extinguisher at base of fire and move in sweeping motion.
2. Repeat indefinitely.

[swh]

So in 5 years we will have pilots flying 777/777X/747-400ERF/747-8F all on a common type rating. That's what you are saying

On the Airbus to get the additional type rating credit was given from the A330 towards the A340. I guess what they are saying is that for pilots that are not 747 rated a course which gives credit from the 777 to the 747 is being approved.

It would be two different ratings, many 777 pilots I guess would already be 747 rated so it would be easy to get the back up to speed.

[GTC58]

The new training plan for 2018 has 300 new SO courses and 8 JFO upgrades company wide. An indication that the company is planning more flights with 2 SO Crew compliment then initially indicated.

[Oasis]

Uberskyjockey; what code do you search for?

[Sqwak7700]

What does the training plan say about 747 to Airbus conversion courses ?

It says "can not". You are not eligible for transfer since you are fleighter pirate.

[betpump5]

Training Ban !!
October roster shows an STC upgrade course for 4 TC's all Airbus and all AOA members.
Go figure.

What is the roster code to search for? Thanks. Another 4 clowns and their families who will never get a Jump seat from me.

[betpump5]

And I wonder if their names were on the infamous letter..

[Trafalgar]

To my colleagues who have just accepted STC upgrade: What part of 'morally indefensible' in this action are you missing? At a time when the company is threatening us like never before, you go and slap the faces of your 3000+ colleagues in such a shameless way. Disgusting and disgraceful. Please, never request a js from me or any other captain. I am certain it will prove futile. You will reap what you sow. And further, I await confirmation from the AOA that their membership has been canceled. In their cases, i'm sure they will be happy as they get to save on their subs as well. :mad:

[betpump5]

I await confirmation from the AOA that their membership has been canceled

Pull the other one. DS and the GC are CX sympathisers, so I doubt anything more than than an email and a slap on wrist will be given.

[cxorcist]

Pull the other one. DS and the GC are CX sympathisers, so I doubt anything more than than an email and a slap on wrist will be given.

More geniuses training their much cheaper replacements, in the face of a TB no less. Just wow! Name and shame HKAOA... Guys should book off when rostered to fly with them. The JS is a no brainer. Just say NO!

[Trafalgar]

The next question I have is this: who will be the trainers and checkers assisting these cretins towards STC status? You too will be on my banned js list. Good grief everyone, when is enough enough? How can ANY of us be taking a training upgrade at this point in history? I will confront any of you when I see you in dispatch, in town or downroute. This make me sick.

[oriental flyer]

Have these people no shame , no moral compass or absolutely no integrity .

[Average Fool]

CX would surely benefit from one aircraft type.

Of course, with this group they would screw that up as well.

[22N114E]

AEX, (back in the day).

[crwkunt roll]

Anyone know the roster code to search?
AIRBUS, for a start!

[TurningFinalRWY36]

Im sure they have hidden their roster by now

[Pogie]

Here's a copy of the training plan:

1. Aim extinguisher at base of fire and move in sweeping motion.
2. Repeat indefinitely.

What? No side test first?

[BubbaJ]

October roster shows an STC upgrade course for 4 TC's all Airbus and all AOA members.
Go figure.


Why don't you post this on the AOA forum????

[BBN RADAR]

October roster shows an STC upgrade course for 4 TC's all Airbus and all AOA members.
Go figure.

Is this definitely true??! This
makes me sick to my core.... if you know these scumbags it is your duty to tell them what a big mistake they're making. This is all too stressful, think I need a couple of weeks off....

[Pucka]

Now, here's a strategy..if the Checkers and trainers aren't stepping up to the plate, so to speak, then why don't the line guys pull a day of "illness" at PC time..that puts them straight in the firing line with the trainers who are being asked to resign and strangles the system in a similar way.. grow similar balls??

[crwkunt roll]

Cant see any Airbus guys on the roster with such codes. Hiding?

[Oasis]

Could be a windup, can't find proof.
If true, screenshot or code available?

[betpump5]

Wind up for sure. Not finding anything.

[SloppyJoe]

puts them straight in the firing line with the trainers who are being asked to resign

Absolute total utter BS. Trainers are doing a job they volunteered for! Has any trainer who recently resigned from training suffered any repercussions? Resigning from training is not the same as calling in sick for a duty that will just be re rostered, then what? call in sick again, then again....

Everyone harps on about directors not leading from the top, not cutting their pay and benefits or even reducing the numbers of overpaid bean counters. We should lead from the top also, f£$*%ing resign from training, have an easier life, whats the worst that can happen? Become a line CN not able to give back to the profession :hmm: