Backfire "Runway Excursion" [Archive]

ORAC

15th Sep 2017, 07:23

Russian Tu-22M3 runway excursion (http://alert5.com/2017/09/15/russian-tu-22m3-runway-excursion/#more-64919)

A Russian Tu-22M3 bomber veered off the runway while landing at Shaikavka airbase. The news was reported (https://iz.ru/645837/2017-09-14/samolet-tu-22-vykatilsia-s-polosy-v-kaluzhskoi-oblasti) on Sept. 14.

The aircraft is said to be damaged beyond repair. All four on board were not injured.

https://cdn.iz.ru/sites/default/files/styles/900x506/public/news-2017-09/TASS_2142933_1.jpg?itok=DISTD-C3

http://alert5.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Q7jX82c7O881.jpg

dead_pan

15th Sep 2017, 10:15

Damaged beyond repair?? Sure the port wing looks a little shorter than it should be but apart from that there's nothing a little gaffer tape wouldn't sort...

Arclite01

15th Sep 2017, 10:28

It'll buff out..............

I'll get my coat...........

Arc

brokenlink

15th Sep 2017, 20:31

Glad the crew got out ok, suspect the laundry bill is going to be a bit on the high side though! Does the damage to the root of the port wing trailing edge indicate they were going backwards at some point?

hunterboy

16th Sep 2017, 07:38

If it's anything car insurance repairs, it's probably cheaper just to buy a new one !

dagenham

16th Sep 2017, 08:48

Aren't the doors on the bottom?

ORAC

16th Sep 2017, 09:25

Aren't the doors on the bottom? No, that was the Blinder. You strapped into the ejector seat which retracted upwards into the aircraft. Something of a death trap at low level - like the F-104A.

Blinder

http://www.airforce.ru/aircraft/miscellaneous/ejectionseats/tu/tu-22_seats_00.jpg

F-104A

http://www.i-f-s.nl/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/F-104_Stanley_C-1_downward_ejection_seat__b.jpg

Backfire

http://c8.alamy.com/comp/B92GBY/crew-of-sst-tu-22-m3-after-the-mission-at-the-naval-missile-carrying-B92GBY.jpg

F-16GUY

16th Sep 2017, 09:56

Does the damage to the root of the port wing trailing edge indicate they were going backwards at some point?

Might be a result of the main gear liberating itself. Resembles the BA 777 landing short of the RWY in Heathrow.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00670/heathrow-crash-404_670479c.jpg

Rhino power

27th Sep 2017, 23:31

The reason for the damage to the port wing is revealed as is the late abort, not helped by one of the brake chutes streaming...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzFwjT-D10M&feature=share

-RP

Onceapilot

28th Sep 2017, 07:49

RP, Thanks for posting that link. I think the vid prompts quite a few questions that will probably go unanswered. BTW, I don't think the drag chute issue had much to do with the outcome.

OAP

nipva

28th Sep 2017, 12:10

This looks like a pretty normal high speed abort - throttles closed at 0' 41" on the clip followed by the brake chute but no clues as to why. The rapid diversion into the tundra suggests a subsequent braking problem - there's no discernible rudder deflection.

Heathrow Harry

28th Sep 2017, 13:52

remarkable it didn't catch fire TBH

ORAC

28th Sep 2017, 14:05

I am reminded of the story told by someone here of a Victor accelerating down the runway at which point a small voice said “hydraulics?”......

Fareastdriver

28th Sep 2017, 14:08

remarkable it didn't catch fire TBH

As the AN 2s, that I saw fly from our heliport in China, used to fly quite happily on Jet A1, I presume Blinders can run on diesel.

A_Van

28th Sep 2017, 15:54

....The rapid diversion into the tundra ...

Cool! This airbase is as north as, e.g., Middlesbrough. Local folks would be surprised if they were told they lived in tundra. Thick woods around with some trees 100 ft high and 3 ft in diameter.

Onceapilot

28th Sep 2017, 16:09

Audio is about 10 sec behind the picture. Also, looks like taileron leading edge down (pitch up) as soon as I can make it out, moves about a bit but pretty much full deflection all the way into overun. Video will be useful for anyone who knows details of Tu22M takeoff performance and SOP. ;)

OAP

Stu666

28th Sep 2017, 16:34

According to this (https://theaviationist.com/2017/09/27/new-video-shows-russian-tu-22m3-bomber-overshooting-runway-during-take-off-accident-at-shaikavka/) source, the aircraft was close to maximum take-off weight and quotes a high ranking source as saying, “The cause of the accident was the failure of speed sensors during the take-off, resulting in the crew decided to stop taking off.”

dead_pan

28th Sep 2017, 16:48

remarkable it didn't catch fire TBH

Indeed. Equally remarkable how intact it remained. Tough old birds, those Backfires.

A_Van

28th Sep 2017, 16:51

Right. It is a common opinion here that narrow escape of fire was a great luck.

nipva

28th Sep 2017, 17:42

A Van

'The rapid diversion into the tundra'
I did not expect this to be taken literally, tundra was merely a tongue in cheek figure of speech bearing in mind the aircraft's country of origin but I duly stand corrected.

ORAC

28th Sep 2017, 18:00

That fact they stayed with it through their nature tour and wing departure would suggest that the seats are not zero-zero?

Onceapilot

28th Sep 2017, 18:36

That fact they stayed with it through their nature tour and wing departure would suggest that the seats are not zero-zero?

I am probably wrong but, in the post crash picture, I think the left wing is just fully swept after the impacts. Cheers

OAP

ORAC

28th Sep 2017, 19:08

Looks like most of the port wing is missing to me, and that they climbed out.

https://theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Tu-22-crash-landing-Zapad.jpg

https://theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Tu-22-crash-landing-Zapad-2.jpg

https://www.airlive.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/851.png

Onceapilot

28th Sep 2017, 20:10

Left wing has suffered and has ended up swept. :ok:

OAP

Capn Bloggs

29th Sep 2017, 01:57

SOP Change proposal: Airspeed check at 80 knots, not 180 knots! ;)

Fly26

29th Sep 2017, 05:30

Does any body know if these aircraft SOPs have any form of V1 and how take off performance is calculated?

dead_pan

29th Sep 2017, 08:32

RedhillPhil

29th Sep 2017, 08:43

No, that was the Blinder. You strapped into the ejector seat which retracted upwards into the aircraft. Something of a death trap at low level - like the F-104A.

Blinder

http://www.airforce.ru/aircraft/miscellaneous/ejectionseats/tu/tu-22_seats_00.jpg

F-104A

http://www.i-f-s.nl/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/F-104_Stanley_C-1_downward_ejection_seat__b.jpg

Backfire

http://c8.alamy.com/comp/B92GBY/crew-of-sst-tu-22-m3-after-the-mission-at-the-naval-missile-carrying-B92GBY.jpg

Possibly "models" but that crew - especially the one second left - look pretty well-fed.

ORAC

29th Sep 2017, 08:44

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/214/484161298_29a5e671b3_b.jpg

Terminal hard kill defensive capability in the aft sector is provided by a UKU-9A-802 tail barbette, fitted with a single GSh-23 gun, and directed by an improved PRS-4KM Kripton / Box Tail ranging radar and remote TV camera.

SpazSinbad

29th Sep 2017, 08:48

Two questions about the top pic:

- what's that 'orrible dangly thing at the bottom of the pic? Fire hose, some guys from the Backfire, runway arrester system?
- is that a remotely operated tail gun and the base of the fin? Never knew the Backfire was fitted with them.
Beaten at the post (which reminds me about 'some models' wot are in Ruskie Naval Aviation - pic to follow - screenshot from this video OUCH!).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LPbvQpiJSk

ORAC

29th Sep 2017, 08:48

Possibly "models" but that crew - especially the one second left - look pretty well-fed.

http://101squadronassociation.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/vulcan-b1-crew-600x450.jpg

sandiego89

29th Sep 2017, 12:45

I have always been intrigued by the downward seats/entry system on the Tu-22 Blinder. If a Blinder bellied in, was there crew egress hatch (s) on the sides or top? Don't see anything obvious like red lines, hatches, pop out windows, etc in photos.

BlankBox

2nd Oct 2017, 23:36