Cathay Pacific Recruitment Ban

[Start Fore]

It's about time.

Why on earth has this not been considered? The poison that has been running our terms and conditions into the ground is the fact that we're being replaced with cheap/inexperienced snowflakes, and trained by our scab trainers. Who should all be resigning from their posts. I have.

Let's move forward with a recruitment ban. No more cheap, inexperienced pilots joining on local terms and hkpa.

Before we have a smoking hole in the ground..

[Ipad]

Take care, you may be surprised how influential some, who joined under the last ban, now are.

[Liam Gallagher]

Startfore,

When you were at school and were bullied (and I somehow think you were bullied ;-P), did you run to your sister and ask her to fight on your behalf?

A couple of pieces of advice,

- Don't ask anyone to do something that you are not prepared to do yourself and,
- The best person to defend your COS is you. Don't rely on someone you have never met and have no comprehension of their motivation to protect your income stream.

Recruitment Ban.... Gutless, spineless and utterly useless idea. Only one step up from a white flag in my book.

Close the thread, nothing to see, move along.

[JY9024]

Well said...

[Captain Dart]

I did act myself. I was asked to train years ago and I could not bring myself to VOLUNTEER for the position and bring myself to train 'el cheapo' pilots who would eventually be in the majority of the pilot group and drag down my own contract.

Regarding the recruitment ban. I am well aware of the morality arguments involved and there are arguments for and against. However, since the last one, jobs with other airlines are far more plentiful. We are fighting to protect our own position, not those of wannabes. It could be argued that the new joiners' conditions are such crap that a recruitment ban would be doing them a favour anyway.

For what it's worth, the last recruitment ban got mangement's (sic) attention far more than any angry letter from the trainers. Little Ken, the DFO of the time, never shut up about it. They squealed like stuck pigs.

[Start Fore]

Exactly Captain Dart - we need to make them squeal like stuck pigs.

[Uberskyjockey]

Be careful how you bandy the word "scab" around. For those of us who have lived, worked, been fired and rebuilt careers it is a very emotive word and applies to a very specific group.

A recruitment ban is a good start. It will not be 100% effective but it will have an effect and unlike our last attempts at this the world market has moved on.

If you look at who is applying to CX these days it is the bottom of the pile. People other airlines have rejected so obviously not the 'cream' and certainly unaffected by any union reprisals.
But certainly worth a shot.

[CXKA]

Start Fore clearly you have issues, we need those on HKPA to support ARAPA moving forward but your childish and clueless statement is not going to help. Do us all a favour and just keep away from a keyboard!

[TurningFinalRWY36]

Yes we do need the support of those on HKPA but we may also have to support them

[Start Fore]

Agreed, the 'scab' quip was a touch harsh.

And CXKA; of course I have issues! Major bloody issues after working for these ar$eholes for the best part of two decades.

I stand by my 'recruitment ban' though. The rot set in when we started recruiting from an entirely different demographic, (read - unsuitable and inexperienced cheap snowflakes with hair gel fixations and severe shiny jet syndrome), and thereby started training our cheap replacements.

We should have seen the writing on the wall and the AOA should have demanded a higher standard of recruitment/experience ages ago.

[controlledrest]

A ban is a stupid idea for the following reasons:

Last time the company had no problem filling courses and these days the company gives any less of a **** about attracting pilots with any experience

Last time the AOA was too incompetent to correctly identify those who joined under the ban and those who didn't. Some good blokes got unwarranted grief. I don't think the AOA is run any better these days

As the company would have no problem recruiting, those who do join would not become AOA members, thereby diluting whatever power the AOA has

Would we also refuse promotions? We didn't last time. Immoral.

The Training Ban is a good idea. Another good idea is for the AOA is re-establish a rule that no new contract would be agreed to if it comes at the expense of any group of pilots i.e. C Scale don't get increased housing if B Scale gets a cut. Another idea, if the company force upon us a new contract with a cut in anyone's COS, all C&T will resign.