Qatar Airways 2017 MPL

[mboqseif]

Looks like Qatar have just opened up a fully MENTORED training scheme up with L3 by the looks of it.

Doesn't appear to be any nationality restrictions but you have to be under 33 by the time you start training. For me this is just too late as I doubt that I will be able to start training in the next month :(

Edited to remove my misinterpretation of this being a fully sponsored scheme

[parkfell]

The website is saying a MENTORED scheme with £109k paid over five instalments . That is purely for the training.
Additional costs down to you. As with all schemes, you must read the small print very carefully, and seek appropriate advice.

So issued with a Qatar MPL. In time, with 1500 hours, Qatar ATPL issued.

Question: how convertible to an EASA licence is this national licence when you wish to move on.......
Perhaps PACO will have the answer for us.

[mboqseif]

Looks like I misunderstood and to be honest, makes me feel a little less irritated by the age thing! (Will edit my op)

[paco]

For TK, if it is an ICAO licence and you have the hours, self-certify for the exams.

[parkfell]

I think they sit the UK CAA exams during the initial training at L3.

It would be somewhat harsh if 10 years down the line, they had to be sat again.

[air_xyz]

My friends who got into the Qatar MPL at STAA Singapore take the QCAA (Qatar) ATPL Exams not the CAAS (Singapore) one. Oh if you don't pass one of the exams like one of my friends did, you have to go to Doha to retake the exams at your own cost. So you really have to have A LOT of money.

[pfvspnf]

Problem would be if you fail or they kick you in the middle , your mpl hours are useless

[parkfell]

The flying (airborne) hours acquired during training still count. There would however be a shortfall for normal CPL/IR licence issue, and these remaining hours would need to be flown plus the skill tests for CPL -and IR.

The initial flying is common. So a wise decision is needed before the paths separate.

[aviatit]

May I know where will the ground school training and flying be done at?

[gbotley]

Groundschool is either Coventry / Southampton in the UK or out at the Hamilton training centre in NZ. The flight training component has historically been completed in Hamilton also.

[Diverskii]

Anyone want to lend me £109k? Or point me in the direction of a bank who'll give it to me unsecured... :ok:

[pfvspnf]

Let me rephrase , your MPL license is useless if you get kicked out in the middle , yes perhaps 70 hours of core flying in a single engine Piston will count

[Officer Kite]

What is the "middle"? Middle of training or middle of the 1500hrs to go in unfreezing it? If it is the latter then that is wrong, there are and have been many cases where people got the MPL license converted before reaching the 1500hrs. If you mean half way through training, well the ground school is the exact same at least so if anything happens during that you can still change, I know a person who changed even during his flying phase from MPL to ATPL.

This MPL license is made out to be a big bad evil license that traps people when the reality and facts from what is really happening out there show the opposite.

[rustydusty]

May I know where will the ground school training and flying be done at?

I am starting the Qatar MPL COURSE next year and have been told our group will do both ground school and flight training in Hamilton.

It is different for every course though, I guess it depends on the availability at the time. I know some people starting In November and they are doing ground school in Southampton.

[parkfell]

pvfspnf

Let us get this clear, until you have completed the course and been issued with a licence, you operate on a students licence.
Remain under the ATO control until the type rating and the base training is complete. At present 12 take-off and landings, although there are moves a foot to reduce this to the normal six.
Once you have satisfied the base training, the MPL is applied for.

For the normal CPL/IR route once the course is completed, which is usually passing the IRST and course hours satisfied, you apply for licence issue.

Multi crew aspirations require the MCC certificate, followed by successful type rating issue.

The two routes are now at the same point, ready to start the line training.
Given the multi crew training etc already provided through the MPL route, then they have the clear advantage over the "normal route" with only the MCC experience (+any JOC). Probably different (subtle) SOPs as well to unlearn.

I am assuming two guys of equal competency. So there is catch up required, and in time, it should be difficult to spot the difference.

There are critics of the MPL route. I would speculate that if they actually spoke to someone who delivers the training, it would ease their mind considerably.

Burning holes in the sky to satisfy some historical rule of 100 hours P1 prior to CPL issue simply has no merit these days.

[glennchua]

Thank you everyone for the detailed information. I am considering applying for the cadet pilot program offered by Qatar Airways and L3 Aviation Academy. Only issue is, of course, the 109,000 pounds.

But it seems a better deal than most cadetship that accepts international students, as it includes accommodation. Fingers crossed.

[parkfell]

It is clearly a departure as historically only nationals, or those closely associated with Qatar could apply.
Clearly market forces are driving the situation, and Qatar recognise the need to produce pilots from the grass roots.

Perhaps in time they will recognise the merits of the funding deal offered to trainees with Aer Lingus

[Speedbird148]

I am starting the Qatar MPL COURSE next year and have been told our group will do both ground school and flight training in Hamilton.

It is different for every course though, I guess it depends on the availability at the time. I know some people starting In November and they are doing ground school in Southampton.

rustydusty is there still a substantial gap between acceptance onto the MPL scheme and commencing training? You mentioned 2018 for yourself.

[gbotley]

Speedbird148,

There's a substantial amount of trainees coming through this place right now and any delays are not only attributed to start dates, but other phases in addition to type ratings. As an example, Whitetail cadets coming out the end and securing jobs at easyJet are being told to expect Type Ratings in the Spring. Demand, which we know is high, and associated capacity for the deliverance aren't totally marrying at the moment. L3 has brick and mortar expansion plans both in Hamilton and back in the UK over the next 12 months so that may well go a way to reducing the initial wait. For example, the new type rating centre in London.

MPL delays however could be attributed to an airline spacing out the dates trainees would eventually be line ready.

[Chris the Robot]

Type ratings in the spring? I presume a lot of the cadets will have to go back and live with their parents until their TR training starts, unless of course Easyjet or whoever offer them a temp gig somewhere else in the company. 6 months (possibly longer) is a long time for currency to lapse.

At my place (outside of aviation), we had some people wait for three months to get an instructor after completing theoretical training. They were sent to shadow some fully qualified folks and grossed over £7k during those three months, most of them were bored out of their minds by the end of it but £7k for doing very little is decent enough if you ask me.

You'd think their airline employer-to-be could at least stick them on a jumpseat for a few months to get them used to the SOPs and the nature of random-ish shift work, pay them subsistence and give them a couple of days of GA flying per month to keep current. At least if they want good pilots anyway...

[pfvspnf]

Parkfell

Always amazes me when people talk without having a clue.

Once you are done with a CPL you can technically gain employment anywhere

After the issue of your MPL license you need to be partnered with your sponsor airline and if Qatar gets rid of you , you have wasted your money

You clearly don't know Qatar and the sandbox look at what's happening with alpha and Aby

Burning holes in the sky ?

Lol go get some flight time

[rustydusty]

rustydusty is there still a substantial gap between acceptance onto the MPL scheme and commencing training? You mentioned 2018 for yourself.

For me personally It has been a slow process. From the date I applied to the date I will start it will be around 18 months but I did have to resit PILAPT. I do think I am on one of the last courses for people who have already passed so it could be an indication that people who get accepted this time round might not have to wait that long.

Again all really depends on availability, if you pass selection first time etc.

[Speedbird148]

Thanks for clarifying.

[Speedbird148]

Speedbird148,

There's a substantial amount of trainees coming through this place right now and any delays are not only attributed to start dates, but other phases in addition to type ratings. As an example, Whitetail cadets coming out the end and securing jobs at easyJet are being told to expect Type Ratings in the Spring. Demand, which we know is high, and associated capacity for the deliverance aren't totally marrying at the moment. L3 has brick and mortar expansion plans both in Hamilton and back in the UK over the next 12 months so that may well go a way to reducing the initial wait. For example, the new type rating centre in London.

MPL delays however could be attributed to an airline spacing out the dates trainees would eventually be line ready.

Thanks for insight. Take your point re demand outstripping capacity until new facilities in place. But do you also think it's in part a case of whitetails being prioritised behind tagged cadets ?

[Christopher Robin]

Parkfell
It made me laugh so thanks for that I mean flying experience is vastly over rated compared with classroom and sim training
Really ?

[aviatit]

I am starting the Qatar MPL COURSE next year and have been told our group will do both ground school and flight training in Hamilton.

It is different for every course though, I guess it depends on the availability at the time. I know some people starting In November and they are doing ground school in Southampton.


I just applied for it and I hope it will be at Hamilton.

Did you attend all your interviews in UK?

[gbotley]

@Speedbird148

That's another point entirely, but yes. Airlines supposedly impose "financial penalties" on companies that fail to deliver MPL cadets on time. In that sense it can sometimes feel as though MPL cadets take priority. With this said, the capacity thing is by no means related to solely L3. Something many fail to realise is L3's Hamilton base trains cadets for airlines in the Asia/Pacific market too and things are pretty busy here as a result. I'd rather a school be busy though than struggling financially.

In my time here three additional 172s have joined the fleet to accommodate for flights / courses which do not require EFIS equipped aircraft. From what I've heard there are plans in the works for expansion to the ground school facilities as well as construction of additional accommodation at Clearways to house these newer courses. In addition - i'm not 100% on this one as it was a rumour - there's the potential for L3 simulators to be installed here for IndiGo type ratings thus removing the need for said trainees to make use of L3's UK facilities. From all of this it's clear lots of changes are to come although it's likely I'll be out the other end before they come into play.

Just with any takeover and subsequent growth there are changes to be expected. I just hope it doesn't impact the overall product longer term. There's then the subsequent integration of AeroSim into the wider business. Who knows how that'll fair. With all of this said, would I change my choice of school? - Certainly not. I simply can't fault the quality of the instructors here!

[parkfell]

My response was a generic comment to MPL, not at Qatar internal matters.
Anyone can be terminated during line training , or at any other point due to lack of progress, be it through the normal route, or MPL.

There are cases five years ago or so, where the initial sponsor did not take on MPL students due to their financial circumstances.
This does make the situation more difficult, but that is the nature of the beast where employment is lined up if it all goes as advertised. Potential certainty, as oppose to "whitetail" uncertainty.

If you are "got rid off" due to performance, you are probably stuffed anyway irrespective of what route you initially followed ?

The "classroom" and exams is identical irrespective of what route you take. You do have a point about the value of flying experience and giving yourself more than one fright to concentrate the mind.
I suggest you look at a syllabus for the MPL sim phase, before you pontificate about what a level D simulator can achieve, and what is expected of the students.
I have taught both routes, and therefore speak with some actual knowledge of what both have to offer.

As for flying experience, I started flying powered ac aged 17 in 1971. I have sufficient time aloft thank you, both instruction for CPL/IR, and airline flying.

As a QFI at PIK during the 1990's with CAP509 training followed by Hydrid JAR, and then JAR training in 1999, the more competent had a substantial amount of SE flying to burn off post IRT ( IRST) to complete the syllabus with BAeFC.
Burning holes in the sky.........

[PA28161]

So 100 hours burning holes in the sky is of no merit? Well, it's flying and whilst doing it, gaining valuable experience of handling an aeroplane. I don't know where there is no merit in that!

[TheTypicalBrit]

L3 have confirmed the license at the end is a QCCA MPL.

[ba038]

Due to the blockade and Qatar being in a volatile region at the moment. Do you think this will affect securing positions in the future?

I'm thinking more in the future, say, 5 years from now. Potential for Qatar to downsize? made redundant?

Profits are being hit with the 'superconnectors' Emirates, Etihad and Qatar.

[okay hars]

I am starting the Qatar MPL COURSE next year and have been told our group will do both ground school and flight training in Hamilton.

It is different for every course though, I guess it depends on the availability at the time. I know some people starting In November and they are doing ground school in Southampton.



Hi, rusty dusty.
hope you're doing well.
I've actually applied for Qatar MPL Sep 2017.
But I also waited over a year for the applications to open and meanwhile have been practising for my selection process and I wanted you to share your experience and how you got through. If there is anyway I can contact personally let me know.
thank you.

[pfvspnf]

parkfell I highly doubt you are an airline pilot

no you are not just fired because you fail in line training due to performance , mind you in any airline you can be fired at anytime becuase they dont like your face. and in the case of being a cadet mpl you will have no where to go afterwards.

[Flyc.harlie]

I am starting the Qatar MPL COURSE next year and have been told our group will do both ground school and flight training in Hamilton.

It is different for every course though, I guess it depends on the availability at the time. I know some people starting In November and they are doing ground school in Southampton.

Is it possible for you to get in touch with me as I am due to start soon and I have no idea yet who would be on my course, cheers

[glennchua]

I honestly feel it is a good program, but 109k pounds, though cheaper than most self-sponsored programs, it still a large sum. Sigh..

[parkfell]

Pfvspnf

Tell me, how can you be approved to teach MPL without the multi crew experience gained in airlines? Minimum 1500 hours required.

I wonder whether your 8 Sept post refers to someone closer the home.
Perhaps we should be told......

PA28 160 (5 Sept)

The burning off refers to the flying once the flying tests have been completed. At least SPIC has improved matters. You need to explore the MPL route. It is specific training for a specific function, viz RHS, and only that. No use if you want GA flying ( apart from PPL recreation flying) as FI or anything else. You don't have the necessary light ac flying.

[rustydusty]

I just applied for it and I hope it will be at Hamilton.

Did you attend all your interviews in UK?

Yup, all assessments/Interviews are done in the UK.

[rustydusty]

Hi, rusty dusty.
hope you're doing well.
I've actually applied for Qatar MPL Sep 2017.
But I also waited over a year for the applications to open and meanwhile have been practising for my selection process and I wanted you to share your experience and how you got through. If there is anyway I can contact personally let me know.
thank you.

Feel free to PM me, but general advice is practice, practice, practice for both PILAPT and possible interview questions.

I found SkyTest to be the best for practicing PILAPT and Latest Pilot Jobs for the maths test.

[Lx001]

Hey guys i got info from ctc, its written;

We would suggest at this time that the training with Qatar Airways would not begin until towards the end of 2018.

That means we have to wait more than a year or so?

[Flyc.harlie]

Hi, its not so much as having to wait until the end of 2018. The slection process will take most of the time between now and then, there are four stages to selection the first being the online application. After this you can book a selection day that is within a couple of weeks and after this you will have a few months of paperwork, medical and a few other bits before the final interview with a couple Qatar Training captains. Once this is done the last step is security steps and sorting course dates ect. So the actual wait (if you are first to book the slection day) is not that long. Spaces on courses are allocated based on when the selection day is booked from what I was told so the sooner you book onto that the sooner you will be offered a start date.

[Lx001]

Thank you for answer charlie, it is gonna be tough if it goes like this..Cos ctc planned this mpl end of 2018. When i asked them,they told me to wait.. waiting more than a year :)..

Plus 109k pound and no guarentee,i have to wait for almost a year for 'maybe' condition then.. thats too much for me.

[aviatit]

Any of you went to the interview and assessment already?

[MichaelMT]

Also just wondering whether anyone has managed to book onto the assessment center stage or the Qatar Interview stage?

[aelmahh]

There is an assessment on the 28th of nov, unfortunately I didn't book it early enough, When I logged back to book it was already filled up, only God knows when it'll be back open

[aviatit]

When did you see the 28th november assessment?

[jack97]

has anyone from here managed to get a date for the selection day? or has anyone been to the selection day? PM me

[MichaelMT]

It was on there early last week.

[aelmahh]

I am starting the Qatar MPL COURSE next year and have been told our group will do both ground school and flight training in Hamilton.

It is different for every course though, I guess it depends on the availability at the time. I know some people starting In November and they are doing ground school in Southampton.
I can't seem to send a PM to you, pls I'd like to ask you few questions regarding the selection test and interview

[Woodyx]

Hello , I applied for the MPL in Partnership with Qatar 6/7weeks ago , I haven't been contacted yet ? How much time did you guys have waited to access to the assessment day ?

Thank you

[aelmahh]

About 4 months. Applied in August got a reply in September, was able to book this month, assessment is next month.

[aviatit]

Releasing of assessment dates has been quite slow past few days. :ugh: Still waiting to book the selection dates.

[PA28161]

Speedbird148,

There's a substantial amount of trainees coming through this place right now and any delays are not only attributed to start dates, but other phases in addition to type ratings. As an example, Whitetail cadets coming out the end and securing jobs at easyJet are being told to expect Type Ratings in the Spring. Demand, which we know is high, and associated capacity for the deliverance aren't totally marrying at the moment. L3 has brick and mortar expansion plans both in Hamilton and back in the UK over the next 12 months so that may well go a way to reducing the initial wait. For example, the new type rating centre in London.

MPL delays however could be attributed to an airline spacing out the dates trainees would eventually be line ready.

Sorry, I just don't get it. Where is there a demand for pilots other than experienced FO's and/or captains?; and there's a lot of them on the job market at the present time. I was in Frankfurt earlier this week speaking with some HR people from well known European airlines and they are saying the pilot shortage is a myth, dreamt up by greedy ATO's, the likes of L3 et al.

[Lx001]

Hey guys,

-Why booking event process is a big unknown?

-They dont give any possible dates for booking and it is like try to be online 7/24 and if you are lucky enough,you can catch any of these days..

-The people who got assessment dates must be wizard...Is there any other way how to pick assessment day?

[pilotchute]

I agree PA28. The "shortage" is really just experience based. There are thousands of CPL holders out there. Companies adjust minimum requirements when the CV pile gets small.

If every airline in the world set its hiring minimum to a CPL/IR and 200 hours there would be no more shortage talk.

[theleeporker]

Hi, i am a applicant from singapore and would like to find out more on the paid assessment that will be conducted in ctc itself. i am going to book the upcoming 15th December slot and would be flying over to New Zealand to attend this interview.

May i know how should i prepare for this interview and from the application status i can see that it consists of Pilapt, Numeracy, Group Exercise & Interview. Has anyone went through this assessment round? Would appreciate of any replies on this. I really really want to secure this job for my career.

[Jake24]

Curious but how come your interview is in NZ? Isn't all selection assessment in UK.

I have also spoke to a few who went through the training and they all want to return after their bond. I guess you can figure out the latter.

[vvasekhar]

Hello Guys,

Is there anyone who have applied for Qatar Airways MPL 2017 program & waiting for Application selection email ?

[Jake24]

I heard Virgin and BA program will be opening up real soon! Somewhere around March :)

[jack97]

Hi
yes i have been waiting over 2 months and i have not received a reply, such a shame was really looking forward to the programme. unfortunately were only allowed to apply to one cadet program at a time so its just dragging on i cant even make alternate arrangements if im not successful to the programme

[mohammdashraf]

Does anyone know when is the nearest selection dates?

[From_Sea_to_Sky]

Still haven’t received an answer for stage 1, but I believe that they aren’t in any rush as the course is not due to start before the end of 2018

[Jake24]

Does anyone know if there is a bond with the airline after the training and how many years if there is. Much appreciated.

[From_Sea_to_Sky]

Hi Jake,

I’ve asked this question to L3 a while ago and to quote their answer : « In regards to Qatar Airways, there is not a specific bond with Qatar Airways but they would only select candidates to begin the training who are looking to spend a minimum of 5 years employment with the Airline. »

[Jake24]

So in other words, the bond is 5 years :D Thats a very long time..

[Jake24]

Still haven’t received an answer for stage 1, but I believe that they aren’t in any rush as the course is not due to start before the end of 2018

How long since your application?

[hemanthkumar]

hii..
even i have applied for the same on nov 4th and there is no reply yet..
are there any updates you got?

[okay hars]

got through Phase 1 but have to wait for phase 2 when QATAR MPL re-opens.
if anyone has applied or got through just email me.

[vvasekhar]

hello, I assume phase 1 is L3 application screening, when did you apply for the same ?

[bats4breakfast]

Hello guys! I've been looking into Qatar airways as a flying career and was wondering where I can apply for the cadet pilot program. Am I right to say its L3? Am fully prepared to fly to the UK for the interviews but I would like to know if Qatar is still hiring at the moment because I am desperate to fly.

[mohammdashraf]

The program is closed this year and will open again next year

[aelmahh]

got through Phase 1 but have to wait for phase 2 when QATAR MPL re-opens.
if anyone has applied or got through just email me.

When did you apply?

[aelmahh]

The program is closed this year and will open again next year

I talked to them and they said they don’t know when it’s opening again, who told you it’s only opening next year?

[mohammdashraf]

As i passed the first stage, i talked to them as well and they told me you can come to the selection when it open next year. May be it won’t open but they said that.

[aelmahh]

You mean they are only opening in 2019?

[mohammdashraf]

Yeah. And might not open in 2019 they still don’t know yet.

[okay hars]

When did you apply?

I applied during September but due to age criteria i had to wait till November (27) to turn 18 and they selected me within a week. :)

[Flyc.harlie]

Just for some information for those applying:

- they may take a very long time to reply to your initial application but after this the next steps dont take too long.

- Do not expect to start soon, this year is full of courses starting with apllicants from 2016 so i would immagine 2017 and 2018 apllicants will take up the next couple of years, maybe why they have closed it for now

[mohammdashraf]

My friend passed the assessment in July 2017 and he is going to start next April! Yeah it takes a long time to start your training after being accepted but not 2 years

[mohammdashraf]

If you mean by 2016 applicants those who started their application in 2016 then you are right. I thought you mean that they passed everything from 2016. However, still a very long and boring process

[ComeFlyWithB]

Would there be any complexities if you chose to come back and work in the UK after the initial bond was over ? Given the licence is a QCAA and ATPLs will be expired ?

[momo95]

You would need to get an EASA license and this entails sitting the 14 EASA ATPL exams ... the Qatar cadets with CTC do not sit EASA exams during their ground school

[ComeFlyWithB]

So am I right in thinking they sit the exams under QCAA ?

Essentially in principle if you wished to ever work in Europe again you’d have to re sit the 14 exams and obtain a CPL etc ?

I know someone on a current course who’s certain that it’s as simple as converting to EASA.... however as far as I’m aware it wouldn’t be possible as you’d need 1500hrs however there isn’t currently a conversion in place with any country ?

[momo95]

From EASA to other jurisdictions is more often than not just a conversion. However TO EASA is a different story, you MUST do the 14 EASA ATPLs at some point in your life to hold an EASA license. As for the CPL and flying stuff, I don't know about that.

And yes CTC QR cadets sit QCAA ground school exams.

[Flyc.harlie]

The Qatar MPL cadets do sit EASA atpl/mpl theoretical knowledge exams however they will receive a QCAA MPL at the end as a result the EASA exams will expire after a certain length of time without having an easa atpl with it.

The MPL is becoming more recognised now and although there is not a set in stone conversion it will hopefully be a much simpler case to convert should you want to

[nishat29]

Does anyone have any idea about the re-opening date of QR MPL program?

[striker26]

Just a few notes to help some people out:

The entire process will take 1+ years depending on your application date and is because:

- Selection days usually Jan to spring
- Once complete, Final interviews with the captains is only done when there is enough students to interview, usually 18 or so, and in summer/fall.
-If you pass, your start date is determined based on your app date so you could be waiting another couple months
- due to the blockade and hindered financials, expect delays in hiring - but QR needs pilots regardless due to a large a321 order and general upgrades, look for the app to open up again
- Ensure you have LOTS of work AND school experiences to share, so while you wait ,volunteer or get a job it will help you
- Very competitive - they take only about 36 a year maybe less, so dont be alarmed if on your selection day 1-2 people if at that are successful, they are very specific in what they want and it truly comes down to many factors. You are not competing against anyone but yourself, L3 do a good job on the selection day making sure they get every detail about you down.
-LPJ is good software to get your bearings right but again it depends on your natural abilities - most people fail the interview and group exercises due to lack of communication skills and experience.
- you will be awarded a QCAA MPL with a320 type rating, and you should not pursue this program if you are not willing to commit to QR or live in Doha for the long run

[Brett7]

Hi all,

Does anyone have the final interview this week with L3 and Qatar airways? I have mine on Thursday the 8th at 09:30, will be staying near Heathrow the night before. If anyone has had an interview already, I understand they started today, any tips would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

[mohammdashraf]

Hi all,

Does anyone have the final interview this week with L3 and Qatar airways? I have mine on Thursday the 8th at 09:30, will be staying near Heathrow the night before. If anyone has had an interview already, I understand they started today, any tips would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Wish you all the best mate. Please while you are there ask them when is the expected date for the program to open again.

[ComeFlyWithB]

Does anyone have any information regarding cadets going to different airlines for line training as opposed to Doha.... or how his would be possible if said airlines hadn’t wet leased any Qatar planes ? And tocmy jnderstanding the QCAA is useless outside of Qatar. I did email L3 but no response yet.

[hitansh]

The MPL is solely for QR and there is a 5 year bond once you are a FO. Meanings a total of 6years (1 year SO). A lot of people broke the bond because of the living conditions there.

Can you elaborate on the living conditions ?

[Felix Matix]

Guys I've passed through screening phase now I'm heading to Southampton next year for Selection phase
Who has an idea how the selection day looks like?

[hitansh]

Do your research.

That is what I am doing, requesting info from people who know.

[aelmahh]

Guys I've passed through screening phase now I'm heading to Southampton next year for Selection phase
Who has an idea how the selection day looks like?
Hi Felix matix does this mean there won’t be any selection assessment this year? Or just that the program will only be starting in 2019?

[hitansh]

Hi Felix matix does this mean there won’t be any selection assessment this year? Or just that the program will only be starting in 2019?
Selection starts sometime by the end of this year and training starts in the second half of 2019.

[aelmahh]

Selection starts sometime by the end of this year and training starts in the second half of 2019.
Thanks for the info

[saltawil]

Parkfell

Always amazes me when people talk without having a clue.

Once you are done with a CPL you can technically gain employment anywhere

After the issue of your MPL license you need to be partnered with your sponsor airline and if Qatar gets rid of you , you have wasted your money

You clearly don't know Qatar and the sandbox look at what's happening with alpha and Aby

Burning holes in the sky ?

Lol go get some flight time

can u please give more details about what was happening with alpha and aby?

[Brett7]

Guys I've passed through screening phase now I'm heading to Southampton next year for Selection phase
Who has an idea how the selection day looks like?

Early start at Dibden, starts with a couple of introductions and depending on numbers you are split into 2 groups. One group goes to do the group exercises and the other group goes to do the maths and Pilapt. Group Exercises are standard group exercises looking for you to work as a team and get involved, it's not too much of an issue if you "fail" the exercises as a group as long as you worked together to get there. Maths test is 15 questions in 15 minutes I used Pilotaptitudetest.com to prepare that, if you can pass on hard you are safe. The rest is Pilapt, I bought the Skytest program to prepare for the Pilapt and it was really useful.

Then you go for lunch, which is generally pretty nice. After lunch you have the competency interview, if you have never been through a competency interview before you will need to research them and prepare the answers as it's easy to slip up at this kind of interview. What they are looking for is for you to be able to provide concrete examples of situations you have been in that relate to the question.

I got through at the end of last year and got through the final interview in March so should be starting in Southampton in November. Look forward to seeing you in the air.

[QRAviator]

Just came back to the forum after a year or so. Like most of you here, I used to constantly swarm here looking for any bit of knowledge about the course itself etc. I am well 2 months from finishing my QR MPL course with L3 so feel free to PM and shoot any queries regarding the course itself :)

[XPDR7700]

Hello QRAviator,

Firstly, thank you for your hospitality and congratulations for making it this far.
I have a few questions I hope you can kindly entertain -
- Are there any batch of L3 Qatar MPL cadets after yours which have just started training not long ago?
- Are you experiencing any delays in regards to training phases?
- Is there any news of a holding pool of cadets with QR on your end?

I have recently passed all stages of selection but waiting to start the course.
I'm sorry I cannot pm you, I don't have the adequate post counts. If you'd prefer you can provide your email I will communicate with you there.

I can't thank you enough and I hope to hear from you soon!

[thepilott]

when this program will open again? is it might not open again ?

[XPDR7700]

when this program will open again? is it might not open again ?
Yes, quite sadly. Are you in the midst of selections?

[thepilott]

Yes, i passed the 1st stage and many people told me it might not open again.

[XPDR7700]

Yes, i passed the 1st stage and many people told me it might not open again.
Who told you that and when did you hear it may I ask?

[thepilott]

Who told you that and when did you hear it may I ask?


Actually people who are already in the program now. There is a patch which should start this month but they postponed it and told them we don’t know when you will start due to the current problems in Qatar. they don’t say that it’s not gonna open again but at least will take alot of time.

[XPDR7700]

Actually people who are already in the program now. There is a patch which should start this month but they postponed it and told them we don’t know when you will start due to the current problems in Qatar. they don’t say that it’s not gonna open again but at least will take alot of time.
Yes sadly.. I was due to start in November but they told me that they'd postpone for an unforseeable future. You should count yourself lucky you're only at stage 1. Go out and put your apples else where cuz i don't think they'd open up anytime soon, minimally a year.

[thepilott]

Yes sadly.. I was due to start in November but they told me that they'd postpone for an unforseeable future. You should count yourself lucky you're only at stage 1. Go out and put your apples else where cuz i don't think they'd open up anytime soon, minimally a year.


My problem is that i don’t know any other program which accepts all nationalities like this one so there’s no other choice than waiting and see

[Black Pudding]

My problem is that i don’t know any other program which accepts all nationalities like this one so there’s no other choice than waiting and see

What nationality are you

[thepilott]

What nationality are you


I am Egyptian

[XPDR7700]

My problem is that i don’t know any other program which accepts all nationalities like this one so there’s no other choice than waiting and see
They have their own national cadet programme open until 30 September at the moment and I can only guess that they want to stop hiring expats and take in their own nationality.
​​​​But we can only wait and see

[thepilott]

They have their own national cadet programme open until 30 September at the moment and I can only guess that they want to stop hiring expats and take in their own nationality.
​​​​But we can only wait and see

Qatar will never stop hiring exapts due to it’s very low population, they have been doing there national cadet programs for years and also doing the other one with L3 and hiring direct entry expats, Qatar Airways eill never satisfy by only locals.

[XPDR7700]

Qatar will never stop hiring exapts due to it’s very low population, they have been doing there national cadet programs for years and also doing the other one with L3 and hiring direct entry expats, Qatar Airways eill never satisfy by only locals.

Thats very true. But currently they are facing a bottleneck situation in both STAA and L3 in terms of starting line training and we can only wait and see how it pans out. As far as I know they have about 50+ cadets on hold at the moment.

[Black Pudding]

I am Egyptian

you need to get on with life and not wait for Qatar to offer you an MPL place. Are you working ? What do you do

[thepilott]

you need to get on with life and not wait for Qatar to offer you an MPL place. Are you working ? What do you do


I am studying Civil Engineering now and i have 2 more years to finish my Bsc, so i am waiting for a good chance with employment now. If not, I am gonna go for the ordinary way after having my degree

[XPDR7700]

you need to get on with life and not wait for Qatar to offer you an MPL place. Are you working ? What do you do

Hi Black Pudding, as you are pilot instructor at QR would you mind sharing your view about when it may or may not open and what's the possible contributing factor of the closure of the mpl? Based on my research I've found the most probable cause is line training delay.
And if that is the case, I have seen that QR has recently signed an agreement with Air Malta to train cadets on line and a few batches are currently doing so at the moment since mid of this year and if it goes well as planned could the MPL potentially reopen in a few months?

Many thanks

[Black Pudding]

Hi Black Pudding, as you are pilot instructor at QR would you mind sharing your view about when it may or may not open and what's the possible contributing factor of the closure of the mpl? Based on my research I've found the most probable cause is line training delay.
And if that is the case, I have seen that QR has recently signed an agreement with Air Malta to train cadets on line and a few batches are currently doing so at the moment since mid of this year and if it goes well as planned could the MPL potentially reopen in a few months?

Many thanks

I don't have the answers. What are your circumstances ? Have you started your MPL training yet ?

[Black Pudding]

I am studying Civil Engineering now and i have 2 more years to finish my Bsc, so i am waiting for a good chance with employment now. If not, I am gonna go for the ordinary way after having my degree


Finish your Bsc, get a job, save money and go Modular at any place that will,give you an EASA License.

Until you have a flying job, you have no flying job. Don't wait for a remote chance you'll get an offer of an MPL place with Qatar, it may never happen as you might fail the selection and wasted time waiting for it.

[XPDR7700]

I don't have the answers. What are your circumstances ? Have you started your MPL training yet ?


​​​​​​Waiting to sign the LOI with QR. Was due to start in November but they told us QR has put our batch on hold and did not give us any time frame on when they'd reopen again as QR does not know it themselves

Many thanks

[sq_a380]

Could any current or recently graduated QR MPL cadets with L3 please PM me. I have questions about the current situation for SO joining for MPL cadets. Thanks

[okay hars]

I am studying Civil Engineering now and i have 2 more years to finish my Bsc, so i am waiting for a good chance with employment now. If not, I am gonna go for the ordinary way after having my degree


Hey Thepilott! Me too, I've been waiting over a year and now decided to start my university! I too passed Stage1 unfortunately they don't know when the application might re-open.
have a nice day

[SpeedBurn]

Hey Thepilott! Me too, I've been waiting over a year and now decided to start my university! I too passed Stage1 unfortunately they don't know when the application might re-open.
have a nice day

Guys let's keep this thread alive, if anyone gets any update related to MPL, please share it.

[XPDR7700]

Hello all,

has anyone in QR have any news regarding reopening of the L3 MPL program? Thanks!

[XPDR7700]

Does anyone have info on how well the national cadet programme for Qatar airways is doing or that they would continue their cadet intake externally?

Thanks

[nishat29]

Has anyone any information regarding the re-opening date for application? It's been almost a year since I'm waiting for it to re-open. L3 APCAT doesn't provide any accurate info. However, now I'll have to look for an alternative if the MPL programme is not opened anytime soon in 2018.

[XPDR7700]

Has anyone any information regarding the re-opening date for application? It's been almost a year since I'm waiting for it to re-open. L3 APCAT doesn't provide any accurate info. However, now I'll have to look for an alternative if the MPL programme is not opened anytime soon in 2018.

sadly i highly doubt it’ll open anytime soon.. currently they don’t even have the means to take in NTR Pilots let alone training cadets. Also I heard the a320 fleet is full at the moment as well although I’m not sure when is the timing that they usually reopen their cadet programme for the year

[okay hars]

Honestly, this is such a sad thing to happen to us.
Like I've been waiting for so long
And nobody has any idea when it might open again could have already got a license done :/

[XPDR7700]

Honestly, this is such a sad thing to happen to us.
Like I've been waiting for so long
And nobody has any idea when it might open again could have already got a license done :/

how long have you been waiting?

[aelmahh]

Honestly, this is such a sad thing to happen to us.
Like I've been waiting for so long
And nobody has any idea when it might open again could have already got a license done :/
I think the QR thing is a good deal but you can't keep waiting for them. While waiting I was working on my license and I think ill have my CPL before the year runs out

[nishat29]

It seems Qatar Airways stopped their MPL programme permanently as there is no trace of it on L3 website. Bummer to those (including me) wasted their time on waiting for the progamme to re open for application.

[Rider320]

It seems Qatar Airways stopped their MPL programme permanently as there is no trace of it on L3 website. Bummer to those (including me) wasted their time on waiting for the progamme to re open for application.


That program is really meant for people with more money than brains.