Light aircraft crash, Clyde North Victoria

[John Eacott]

Small plane crash lands in Clyde North
(http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/small-plane-crash-lands-in-clyde-north/news-story/3a80f81082a8dbc113ca6859e1fcef62)
A PERSON is trapped inside a small plane that has crash-landed southeast of Melbourne.

Paramedics were called to Clyde North about 10.40am.
They are assessing one person at the scene.
Another person has been trapped inside the plane but appears to be in a stable condition.
An air ambulance has been dispatched to assist in the rescue.
More to come.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGRG7BnVYAENvqb.jpg

Latest reports are one seriously injured, still trapped (11:30 local) and two Air Ambulance on scene.

[Desert Flower]

Small plane crash lands in Clyde North
(http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/small-plane-crash-lands-in-clyde-north/news-story/3a80f81082a8dbc113ca6859e1fcef62)
Latest reports are one seriously injured, still trapped (11:30 local) and two Air Ambulance on scene.

Rego looks to be 24-7854.

DF.

[Cloudee]

Rego looks to be 24-7854.

DF.
Close, 7954, a Bristell https://www.aviationadvertiser.com.au/detail.php?id=4248&insured

[Desert Flower]

Close, 7954, a Bristell

Dang - no cigar for me then! Wishing them both a speedy recovery.

DF.

[Sunfish]

Looks like no power, the propeller is intact. A Rotax doesn't windmill according to what I've been told. The prop just stops and of course its not a heavy metal prop.

[Desert Flower]

A witness said he saw smoke coming from the aircraft before it crashed. Also, the pilot apparently made a couple of mayday calls.

DF.

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

From Ch 9 news site,

"A teenaged student pilot has died in hospital two days after the plane he was flying with an instructor plunged to the ground in Melbourne.
Hong Kong national Nicholas Cheung, 19, suffered face, chest and spinal injuries in the crash. He remained trapped in the wreckage for hours before being freed and taken to hospital..."

Sad event, he was only 19...

[PoppaJo]

Statements are conflicting who do you believe?

Melbourne plane crash victim improves (http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/melbourne-plane-crash-victim-improves/news-story/d9bce365d527b5b56bbcee0e806689aa)

[Stikman]

The operator has posted on their Facebook page that the student has died.

[Band a Lot]

I expect the one with the name released.

Only 19 RIP, but I hope I am very wrong.

[wheels_down]

I think what's happened here is that the Flying Club has released details ahead of the hospital getting approval to say anything. Either that or someone's not well informed...

Nicholas Cheung John Dwyer critical after plane crash | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4763158/Nicholas-Cheung-John-Dwyer-critical-plane-crash.html)

[Sunfish]

What lesson was being taught? The aircraft looks like it hit the ground with no forward speed, flat and with no power.

[Egipps]

What lesson was being taught? The aircraft looks like it hit the ground with no forward speed, flat and with no power.

They had called a Mayday so perhaps lesson plan not that relevant for this one. Think the fan might have stopped.

[Stikman]

Witnesses say there was smoke coming from the engine prior to impact.

[mickjoebill]

Reports that the victim extrication took 90 minutes, given it apparently came to rest upright and cockpit canopy appears undamaged, such a long extraction time speaks to a very fragile and severely injured occupant.

Foam indicates a fuel spill so the scene was hazardous for emergency services, anyone fancy working on top of a fuel spill for ninety minutes?

Mjb

[Sunfish]

rotax 912 uls engine 140hrs tt.

[John Eacott]

Man dies after Clyde North plane crash
(http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/small-plane-crash-lands-in-clyde-north/news-story/3a80f81082a8dbc113ca6859e1fcef62?utm_source=Herald%20Sun&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=editorial)

A MAN has died after a light plane crash in Melbourne’s southeast last week.

The aircraft crashed in a paddock near Pound and Hardys roads in Clyde North about 10.40am last Thursday with two people on-board.
Both men were flown to hospital with serious injuries.
A 19-year-old Chinese national died in hospital today, while a 25-year-old Newry man remains in hospital.
“The exact cause of the crash is yet to be determined and will be investigated by Recreation Aviation Australia with assistance from police who will prepare a report for the Coroner,” a police spokeswoman said.
Emergency crews had worked for more than an hour to free one man after he became trapped in the wreckage of the two-seater plane.
The plane is operated out of Moorabbin by Learn to Fly Melbourne.
Workers at the flight school said on Thursday they were unsure what happened to cause the crash.
It’s understood smoke had been billowing from the plane and there were fears it could catch fire.
The crash came amid thick fog which blanketed much of Melbourne on Thursday morning.
The plane, which was manufactured in 2011, had previously been based in Queensland but was sold to the flight school in early 2016.
Andrea Hamblin, Herald Sun
August 6, 2017 2:11pmSubscriber only

[Band a Lot]

One would assume engine failure training was proficient before IFR training was conducted.


Photo's seem to indicate low forward speed but broken wing/s and back of the aircraft. No wheels in view.

It’s understood smoke had been billowing from the plane and there were fears it could catch fire.

The crash came amid thick fog which blanketed much of Melbourne on Thursday morning.

[spinex]

One would assume engine failure training was proficient before IFR training was conducted.


Photo's seem to indicate low forward speed but broken wing/s and back of the aircraft. No wheels in view.



RA-Aus rego would preclude any IF training. I believe this one was previously based at Jacobs Well, then owned by an ex airline driver if memory serves. It is a fixed gear aircraft, although there is a version which tucks them away.

[Band a Lot]

RA-Aus rego would preclude any IF training. I believe this one was previously based at Jacobs Well, then owned by an ex airline driver if memory serves. It is a fixed gear aircraft, although there is a version which tucks them away.



As I said Engine failure down pat before any IF flying!

[Capt Fathom]

We can see what you're writing Band, it's just not making sense! :confused:

[Band a Lot]

commercial pressures by company or a per hr instructor to fly!

The crash came amid thick fog which blanketed much of Melbourne on Thursday morning.


Maybe a coffee to clear the air was a better option - does that make "cents" or must I say it!

[Desert Flower]

commercial pressures by company or a per hr instructor to fly!

The crash came amid thick fog which blanketed much of Melbourne on Thursday morning.


Maybe a coffee to clear the air was a better option - does that make "cents" or must I say it!

Couldn't have been that much fog when a witness said he saw smoke coming from the aircraft.

DF.

[Sunfish]

no fog north of the divide.

[John Eacott]

commercial pressures by company or a per hr instructor to fly!

The crash came amid thick fog which blanketed much of Melbourne on Thursday morning.


Maybe a coffee to clear the air was a better option - does that make "cents" or must I say it!

The aircraft departed Moorabbin and crashed just east of Cranbourne. The report of fog at Melbourne is both irrelevant and misleading, highlighted by Band a Lot's inability to comment on facts rather than check what the weather was at the time and location of the operation.

Apart from the hidden insinuation that Moorabbin would have a allowed a VFR departure if fog had been an issue.

[JollyRancher]

I was at Moorabbin at the time of the crash, waiting for the OK to depart on a training flight.

YMMB ATIS reporting 5km vis in fog and METAR recorded 8km vis.

[Egipps]

As I said Engine failure down pat before any IF flying!

Is there any value in this type of post? Or just potential harm to family and friends of those involved? If you look at Webtrak for the date and time of the accident there were a lot of planes flying from Moorabbin. Most, if not all, of these were VFR. According to others in the area it wasn't foggy in the training area.

[spinex]

We can see what you're writing Band, it's just not making sense! :confused:

Thank God for that - I was starting to wonder whether swmbo had been medicating me on the quiet, because I couldn't follow either.:suspect:

[IFEZ]

Looks like engine failure and ran out of luck on the landing. There's plenty of available paddocks out that way for a forced landing but you never really know what you're going to get until you get close to the ground. Not sure what height they were when they lost power but what looks like a good landing area at 2500' may turn out to be not that great when you get down close to the ground. You can be lucky or you can be unlucky. Also, if there was in fact smoke coming from the engine prior to impact as has been reported, this can make things tricky with impeded visibility.


I've not flown this type of aircraft and know very little about them. Could it be that it is not quite as 'robust' as your everyday VH registered Cessna/Piper..? They look pretty sleek and modern, but how 'crashworthy' are they..? (If there's such a thing).

[spinex]

Swings and roundabouts to some extent; yes they are less robust, but they stall in the mid 30kts range in landing configuration and with a MAUW of 600kg vs 1,000? odd, there is substantially less energy to get rid of in a sudden stop scenario.

[Sunfish]

If the Bristell is anything like the Evector Sportstar I have flown then the stall would most probably appear to be relatively benign. The Sportstar looks roughly similar to a Bristell.


When I was endorsed on the Sportstar my (grade 3) young instructor said "watch this" and proceeded to a power off stall. The aircraft stalled with no warning and then just mushed straight and level with aileron authority and set up a very high rate of descent indeed. We recovered by adding power. We dropped about 500 feet mushing before power was added.

I never tried a power off stall and a power off stall recovery from a mushing descent.

I have never flown the Bristell and I don't know what happened, but I am innately suspicious of claims that certain aircraft have no vices or benign handling characteristics. The accident aircraft looks to have contacted the ground flat, at a high rate of descent and with very little forward speed. This made me think of my experience stalling a Sportstar.

[Gibbo101]

I would be waiting for the report on this one. I suspect there is more to it..

- first hand knowledge and still feeling the pain from it.

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