Can 750hrs on A320 and a total of 1000hrs find a job these days..

[Keloalphakeloalpha]

Hello.

Iam genuinely considering to go for a pay to fly scheme that provide 750hrs on a 320 for 100K USD with a type and bass. and that will leave me at a 1060TT.. the question arises is there a future for such a huge investment apart from what we already payed blindly for the CPL and IR. i know any investment will require you to keep on pouring money into it until it starts to pay back. lets see...

[B2N2]

KA,

As you may have noticed these types of schemes are not too popular....among the people that have a job already....:E
Here's my take on it;

You shouldn't have to do it.
There are many more pilots that have made it through hard work and a little luck then pilots that have simply paid for it.
It depends on how old you are. If you're pushing 40's it may very well be worth it. If you're in your 20's then just work your way up.
It's not a solution for everybody but it is for some.
I personally know of a late starter who did a 500hrs package on a A320 and last thing i heard he flew for Emirates. So it did work for him.
I wouldn't do it unless you had a 100% certain job lined up behind it.

[AlexanderH]

Of course you can find something with those hours.

[Reverserbucket]

I had an interesting conversation with an NHS acquaintance the other day about the medical field which made comparisons with P2F; apparently (in fact there was a BBC news item on this recently), unsuccessful applicants or those without the necessary grades to enter medical school in the UK are enrolling on courses at Eastern European Universities whereby they can undergo medical training for a fee, with a view to returning to the UK to practice. The feeling being that it was discriminatory that they should be excluded merely on the basis of not being good enough. My friend told me that the NHS wouldn't touch them with a barge pole and in my experience, this principled view is shared by the majority of airlines I know with respect to P2F.

[FlightDetent]

Whereas ab-initio+TR schemes that cost double are honorable, and form an integral part of several top-brand airline's HR strategy...

[PA28161]

Reverserbucket:

My friend told me that the NHS wouldn't touch them with a barge pole and in my experience,


Your friend is incorrect. I'm a doctor (UK medical school qualified) and I can tell you first hand that it's not the NHS who licence doctors but the GMC. The GMC will licence any candidate with primary medical qualifications as long as they can pass a simple clinical competency test, English language test and CRC. The NHS are desperate to fill positions in clinical and surgical medicine, whether they paid for the training or not.

[Reverserbucket]

PA28161

I didn't mention anything about certification; P2F is not about certification as such, it's about buying a job which usually involves type-training which clearly, couldn't happen in a public service environment such as the NHS. My friend is a senior consultant at a London teaching hospital although admittedly, the discussion was over a beer in the pub and his views are unlikely to be the official line of the NHS. I would like to think, as an occasional customer, that the NHS is a little more discerning in selecting clinical staff than some of the airlines whose former P2F F/O's have applied to join my outfit?

[Keloalphakeloalpha]

I dont reckon Emirates Airlines has A320s they have 777's and 380's.

In terms of job prospect i found many airlines around the world that only require 500 on type not even a necessity of the 1500TT, and btw the FAA part 126 for the operations of certain airlines they clearly state its not an issue for the SIC to have more than 250TT and a tpye on a aircraft that takes more the 26 pax or more.

I have been an unemployed CPLer for quit a while and i either take a family loan and proceed or forget this all together. even regular jobs are hard to find with a licence that cant feed bread.

[AlexanderH]

The 500 hours on type is the key.

[SVA11210]

Where did you find that scheme?

[ACP]

The 500 hours on type is the key.

You guys really have to wake up. 500hrs on type won't necessarily bring you the job. You will meet the requirements and some agencies may contact you but there are so many other factors that you may not be able to get the job. (ie: total time requirement for license validation, PIC time, successfully pass the interview or sim check, attitude, sim evaluation marks, recommandation from current employer or captains, Visa/work permit issues, background check for airport card, and so on...) PAYING FOR 500 Hrs may have worked for few guys but this is a huge investment risk and I personally know few guys who went that way and became out of currency because of a bad timing: they are still refunding their loan while pursuing an other career.
You must realise that you will always be missing something on your CV, and it will still be the case once you'll get 500hrs on type.
Market is good now, you shouldn't be in need to pay for hours on type. Move your ass and you will find a job even if it's not a jet it's ok, you will still be able to post a selfy in uniform on facebook ;)
In my company we just started a ground school on the A330 (TR paid by the airline) the oldest guy is 25 years old, they were all flying king airs before...that was just impossible a year ago, airlines are in need of pilots and they are now decreasing their requiements, DON'T PAY FOR HOURS ON TYPE!

[skyboy83]

I have a question

After finishing my CPL_ME-IR training i am going to pay for an A320 type rating and after that P2F 500 A320 hours.

1)Have anyone heard the company, in which i made p2f, is there a possibility to offer me a normal FO job after the completion of p2f programme? Or is more possible try to find another p2f guy?

2) in the case that the above company dont make me an offer.
On my next job interview if my assessor ask me: "only 500hrs on 320? Why you left your previous company? Did you p2f?"
What i suppose to answer?

[AlexanderH]

You guys really have to wake up. 500hrs on type won't necessarily bring you the job. You will meet the requirements and some agencies may contact you but there are so many other factors that you may not be able to get the job. (ie: total time requirement for license validation, PIC time, successfully pass the interview or sim check, attitude, sim evaluation marks, recommandation from current employer or captains, Visa/work permit issues, background check for airport card, and so on...) PAYING FOR 500 Hrs may have worked for few guys but this is a huge investment risk and I personally know few guys who went that way and became out of currency because of a bad timing: they are still refunding their loan while pursuing an other career.
You must realise that you will always be missing something on your CV, and it will still be the case once you'll get 500hrs on type.
Market is good now, you shouldn't be in need to pay for hours on type. Move your ass and you will find a job even if it's not a jet it's ok, you will still be able to post a selfy in uniform on facebook ;)
In my company we just started a ground school on the A330 (TR paid by the airline) the oldest guy is 25 years old, they were all flying king airs before...that was just impossible a year ago, airlines are in need of pilots and they are now decreasing their requiements, DON'T PAY FOR HOURS ON TYPE!

I have a paid flying job so don't have a go at me. 1500TT is not necessarily a must but the 500 on type usually is. That's why I said 500 is the key.

[AlexanderH]

I have a question

After finishing my CPL_ME-IR training i am going to pay for an A320 type rating and after that P2F 500 A320 hours.

1)Have anyone heard the company, in which i made p2f, is there a possibility to offer me a normal FO job after the completion of p2f programme? Or is more possible try to find another p2f guy?

2) in the case that the above company dont make me an offer.
On my next job interview if my assessor ask me: "only 500hrs on 320? Why you left your previous company? Did you p2f?"
What i suppose to answer?

1. This depends on the arrangement the p2f company has with the airline. Perhaps you will be able to continue after completetion of the programme. In any case you should be able to find something with the 500 on type.

2. The interviewer generally doesn't care about whether it was p2f or not. There are so many pay2flyers out there that they are now in so many companies spread around the world. If they asked you if you did a p2f scheme, why lie? Just be honest.

[Officer Kite]

You guys really have to wake up. 500hrs on type won't necessarily bring you the job. You will meet the requirements and some agencies may contact you but there are so many other factors that you may not be able to get the job. (ie: total time requirement for license validation, PIC time, successfully pass the interview or sim check, attitude, sim evaluation marks, recommandation from current employer or captains, Visa/work permit issues, background check for airport card, and so on...) PAYING FOR 500 Hrs may have worked for few guys but this is a huge investment risk and I personally know few guys who went that way and became out of currency because of a bad timing: they are still refunding their loan while pursuing an other career.
You must realise that you will always be missing something on your CV, and it will still be the case once you'll get 500hrs on type.
Market is good now, you shouldn't be in need to pay for hours on type. Move your ass and you will find a job even if it's not a jet it's ok, you will still be able to post a selfy in uniform on facebook ;)
In my company we just started a ground school on the A330 (TR paid by the airline) the oldest guy is 25 years old, they were all flying king airs before...that was just impossible a year ago, airlines are in need of pilots and they are now decreasing their requiements, DON'T PAY FOR HOURS ON TYPE!

I see you are banned and not sure what for, but I would have loved to have known what company is paying for Type Ratings on the A330 for people in their early 20s who's only experience is on a king air ?? :confused:

[MaverickPrime]

I don't know what the company is, but for example, I believe Air Tanker (A330) pay for the TR.

[Officer Kite]

Oh no of course many pay for the TR. I meant more with only king air as experience, it sounds strange no?

[MaverickPrime]

It sounds very lucky, but to be honest, Air Tanker have taken fATPLs from CTC/FTE, and a few modular guys via Kura; probably the exception rather than the norm all the same!

Anyhow, I don't even know if Air Tanker is the company in question here!

[EDDT]

That company probably schools them as SOs for cruise relief. KLM does for example. Flight school onto b747.

[PA28161]

You have a point !!

PA28161

I didn't mention anything about certification; P2F is not about certification as such, it's about buying a job which usually involves type-training which clearly, couldn't happen in a public service environment such as the NHS. My friend is a senior consultant at a London teaching hospital although admittedly, the discussion was over a beer in the pub and his views are unlikely to be the official line of the NHS. I would like to think, as an occasional customer, that the NHS is a little more discerning in selecting clinical staff than some of the airlines whose former P2F F/O's have applied to join my outfit?

[PA28161]

Absolutely!! I couldn't have put it better myself. P2F just is not worth the expense even if you can afford it. Airlines employ on the complete picture, not just the hours.

You guys really have to wake up. 500hrs on type won't necessarily bring you the job. You will meet the requirements and some agencies may contact you but there are so many other factors that you may not be able to get the job. (ie: total time requirement for license validation, PIC time, successfully pass the interview or sim check, attitude, sim evaluation marks, recommandation from current employer or captains, Visa/work permit issues, background check for airport card, and so on...) PAYING FOR 500 Hrs may have worked for few guys but this is a huge investment risk and I personally know few guys who went that way and became out of currency because of a bad timing: they are still refunding their loan while pursuing an other career.
You must realise that you will always be missing something on your CV, and it will still be the case once you'll get 500hrs on type.
Market is good now, you shouldn't be in need to pay for hours on type. Move your ass and you will find a job even if it's not a jet it's ok, you will still be able to post a selfy in uniform on facebook ;)
In my company we just started a ground school on the A330 (TR paid by the airline) the oldest guy is 25 years old, they were all flying king airs before...that was just impossible a year ago, airlines are in need of pilots and they are now decreasing their requiements, DON'T PAY FOR HOURS ON TYPE!