Cathay Dragon flying to the USA soon

[GTC58]

http://airlinegeeks.com/2017/07/02/cathay-dragon-approved-for-united-states-service/

[Average Fool]

Wonder how that will pan out.

[cpahka]

perhaps wet lease to CX to make use of the valuable slots in HKG by reduce numbers of PVG flight ! China's flow control is just a nightmare for all operators !!

[Dragon Pacific]

3xA50 going to the Dragon.

[airdualbleedfault]

Should make LA with 5 minutes up their sleeve

[ACMS]

Really

Most likely Honolulu and or Guam.

[Weary traveller]

People get excited pretty easily around this place. My guess is Guam in 320's/321 if there's any truth to the rumour. Big deal.

[Cpt. Underpants]

Big deal.
I think it's rather cool actually. A bit of variety and (maybe, just maybe) a chance of a decent layover?

[Weary traveller]

The problem with decent layovers is that they haven't existed for a very long time and aren't likely to return since we're run by accountants nowadays and a decent 'destination' doesn't equate to a decent layover when you're there for just beyond minimum rest. My intel re the US rumour is that it's related to bringing in freight from a destination on our current network and avoiding that said freight from needing to pass through customs an addional time during transit in HK for the US. Oncarried by CX, naturally.

[Oval3Holer]

It's not a rumour. Dragonair has had Guam rights for years.

Now it's mainland US. Find the info. You'll see.

[TurningFinalRWY36]

And what aircraft will they use to fly to mainland USA

[Oval3Holer]

I guess you don't read the thread before you post

[GTC58]

A330 to Seattle is no problem.

[TurningFinalRWY36]

Going to Seattle maybe. Coming back would be more difficult especially with routings to avoid volcanic ash would see flight times greater than 13hrs

[cpahka]

A330 to Seattle is no problem.
KA's bus are all A333. HX got both A332 contained with crew bunks to enable long haul operations!

[Time2Win]

It's not a rumour. Dragonair has had Guam rights for years.

Now it's mainland US. Find the info. You'll see.

The a330-300 doesn't have the legs for mainland US.

[boocs]

Whatever happened to 'The Management'? His/her posts were far more interesting than boring old A370.

b.

[Starbear]

TB/CC workaround?

Now you're getting there Dan.

[Strewth]

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[Weary traveller]

Boocs, 'The Management' had some form of intellectual integrity and was, to a degree, entertaining. A370 is, regrettably, nothing more than a bitter KA employee that has been found out internally for what he is (and for what he is lacking) and he just needs to vent one one way or the other.

[GTC58]

Who knows what KA will be using. However CX is reducing the 777 fleet by 15 B777-300ER and all B777-200 adding only 4 B777-300. Nearly a 30% reduction of the fleet. Will be interesting to see we're this all leads to.

[swh]

From May this year it will be 34 additional A350s and 21 777X.

[GTC58]

How come all command courses for the rest of the year are cancelled except 9 Airbus courses?

[catpac]

How come all command courses for the rest of the year are cancelled except 9 Airbus courses?

Because if you want a command, you'll have to sign the new contract first.

[Trafalgar]

so...exactly what reason is there to keep flogging a 'dead horse' career at CX? I don't believe this clueless management has any idea of the coming crewing tsunami that is about to hit their operation. Their response is to cut and shrink the airline. Brilliant strategy, especially when our competitors are ramping up to historic growth rates. Most of the pilots in CX will eventually make the decision to leave. Just remember, the longer you wait, the lower down on another seniority list you place. Time IS of the essence. What a sad and pathetic debacle of airline CX has become.

[tsimbeit]

Cathay Dragon flying to the USA soon:

DRAGON AIRLINES ORDERS 3 MCDONNELL MD-11S

Jan 04, 1987

McDonnell Douglas Corp.'s newest baby, the wide-bodied MD-11, has scored an Asian sales success with an order for three from Hong Kong Dragon Airlines Ltd.

The US$100 million aircraft will be used on long-haul routes that Dragonair hopes to develop to the United States and Europe.

Most of its plans have been opposed by Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd., and subsequently rejected by officials.

The airline also planned services to the United States in 2005, at first with cargo flights and Sydney with passenger flights.

On 28 September 2006, Dragonair became a wholly owned subsidiary of Cathay Pacific, services to United States and Sydney have been cancelled and terminated.

[Tonto Kowalski]

Is this like that time Dragon was poised to launch a Sydney service?!

[GTC58]

If you would read the above link you would know that Cathay Dragon applied in January 2017 to fly to the USA and got US DOT approval on June 29, 2017.

I am pretty sure the Cathay group would not spent all that money to get approval and actually not fly to the USA. Cathay Dragon also got approval to fly from point to point in the USA for 1 sector before returning to Hong Kong.

Cathay Dragon also provided a proposed flight schedule to the US DOT which they requested to be confidential and as such has not been published by the US DOT.



"The United States Department of Transportation (DOT) announced on June 29, 2017 that Cathay Dragon has been approved to begin service from to the United States under exemption code 49 U.S.C. §40109 and amended foreign air carrier permit under 49 U.S.C. §41301.

The Hong Kong-based carrier filed to operate flights to the United States on January 12, 2017. The DOT approved the request under the 1997 Agreement between the Government of the United States and the Government of Hong Kong Concerning Air Services."

[Avinthenews]

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=Vhhh-pgum-phnl-klax&R=4500nm%40vhhh&MS=wls&DU=mi

Seriously doubt Hawaii with the current KA fleet.

[GTC58]

There is always the possibility of CX gifting airframes to Dragon.

[swh]

Is this just to satisfy some new requirement for KA to use US airbases like DNA as an alternate for OKA ?

[Captain Dart]

Hawaii...???

[TSIO540]

Hawaii...???

Lets hope so.. it blows having to go via Japan.

[cpahka]

Lets hope so.. it blows having to go via Japan.


need 10-11 hours, KA's current aircraft fuel tanks a little tight to cope !

[DropKnee]

Maybe Dragon will lease the 777's that CX is returning.

[betpump5]

Yeah. Is that via the Pigs Might Fly leasing company?

[Tommy Gavin]

Divide and Conquer strategy seems to be working if I read the comments....

[Average Fool]

Yea. I'm sure the CX pilots would put a stop to that right away.